I won't be holding my breath waiting for enlightenment.

And, no... don't bother with how evil everyone else was before you arrived on the scene. Pouring fresh milk into a barrel of sour is pointless.

FOR THE RECORD - More bullshit and still trying to blame others. You seriously think GFY is some totally anonymous board of people who have never met? Get a clue.

On the "bashing" topic - I will bash iBill till all clients are paid - so fuck off and be too "busy putting together payment arrangements for webmasters".

Time for a "BUMP"

Assholes, Opinions... Apples, Oranges... Whatever...
 

Still, not working for iBill, but having been back from McD's for quite some time, I think that it is entirely funny how some of you can only see that front of my middle finger... What's written on the back is worse than the gesture. Still ranting, Still raving... STILL ASSUMING. Andrew at iBill is actually a nice guy, give him a call. (and No, I'm still not an iBill rep!) Fume, vent, do whatever you feel you need to do. Convince the world that Bush is a woman for all I care, but I can only speak of what I know. Although McDonalds might be a bad choice for lunch, and chicken heads have been in place of chicken "fingers" they still rebounded and have over how many billion served? There is a market for everything, and your opinions will not change the world, or even the internet (as a whole). So, Please, Pardon my interruption and continue bitching. We're all just little people, punching little keys, on small computers trying to achieve large goals. In the words of my brother, "Can't we all just hit a bong?" Oh that's right, can't do anything else when you spend all day long on GFY trying to change the world.

so how much does IBill pay their lawyers/employees to post for them? this must be a full time job for you

obviously you havent read the other threads showing webmasters demanding payments and proving they havent been paid by your buddies.

If you can get off the floor from giving blowjobs from your boss's at IBill you will see just how much they are hated, disrespected and will not be given a chance by anyone. We are here to guarantee that newer webmasters are always steered clear of your buddies. How are your stock options doing? Not even enron sold so poorly after the shitstorm hit them.

Was someone standing on your oxygen hose at birth? You come across as one of the most moronic fucks I've seen slide down the pipe in a while.

Your solution to resolving the ongoing situation between iBill and webmasters owed revenues is to give us all the finger and suggest we all go smoke weed.

Many of us have already gone the route of attempting to privately negotiate for what is legally ours - to no avail. Therefore the forum of public opinion becomes the last option.

But congrats are in order. Every assinine post you make here serves us opportunity to keep iBull's mismanagement in the forefront.

Ironically, in that respect, you're actually a useful peon.


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

Why did 4themoney not mention the Old Ibill/ New Ibill revelations that they are one in the same. Instead chose to talk about his middle finger, George Bush, and Mcdonald's. I guess that tells us what we need to know.

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Bump for the night shift

I noticed recently that an old ibill affiliate account that I have still had a bunch of outstanding unpaid moneys and just for fun I decided to e-mail iBill
to ask about it

Here is their response:

For someone who is not "working for iBill" or, by implication, has no vested interest, - you sure write a load of rambling "words".

These based on your extensive history of trading with iBill? :1orglaugh

Ask your good friend Andrew if iBill is owned by IBD and if Galanis and Molina still own his ass - and yours.

Don't ya just love the helpful reponses,- read avoidance and deviancy in almost all iBill email? :1orglaugh

Any *normal* debtor simply pays a debt. With iBill, creditors need to contact "Andrew" and tell him how much is owed (He don't know?? What's iBill paid for??) and he promises to work out "payment arrangements". Is Deerfield Beach on another planet????

Try establishing how much is owed and that's gotta be 50 emails to get the account ID correct - that's before ya start talking about account balances.

I got to get all the iBill emails together and publish the garbage on GFY! It's more entertaining than "Would you hit it pics". :1orglaugh

Be careful, if you guys become too insulting, Ibill may declare bankruptcy and you will get nothing!! Best thing is to play along with them

Why would anyone work for Ibill? I would rather work in telemarkieting than for them.

Be careful of what ! telling the truth ?
Iball's has not paid anyone so what's to lose?
Iball's is full of empty promises.
Don't you realise these promises of payment are just lies to get you to send sign ups.
Good luck finding any affiliate program who still use Iball's and even better luck finding any affiliates stupid enough to send any Iball's program traffic.

After 14 months and no revenues - I go along with Imageman and say there's not much to lose anymore (except potential clients for these assholes).

Besides, I hardly think they're going to "declare bankruptcy" because of public insults on a webmaster forum. The insults are factually based and we can back up everything we say with iBill's own documentation, emails and copies of their webpages and revenue stats.

We tried "playing along" for 14 months behind-the-scenes. We got nowhere. Now its time to take off the gloves and make it a public spectacle.


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

I don't think that will happen. When you declare bankruptcy, you have to open up "the books". This is something I really don't think they want to do. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have chosen this option a long time ago.

Exactly...and then we'd all get to see the skeletons come tumblin' out. That certainly wouldn't be in their best interests.


SilentKnight

I heard that they won't pay you the money they took from you, unless you make them your primary processor. Is this true Andrew? This sounds like B.S. since they owe the money, and to save their reputation, I don't think they will force anyone to use them to get their own money, right?

What a tangled web I've woven..
 

Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one out there that doesn't hate iBill. Since you guys like me so much, I figured I'd interject just one more time.(Still not iBills attorney, or employee) Stocks are great, money is better, and GFY is fun for the whole family. Everyone who hates iBill, you've already said "I". We get it! But if you want your money, go after your money. Get serious, pick up a phone, call andrew at iBill. GET ANSWERS! Your failed attempts to get YOUR money could be a lack of effort on YOUR part from a company that seems to have been "Slightly Corporately Restructured" in an effort to not declare Bankruptcy. If that had happened, you'd have nothing to bitch about, your money would be completely gone, and we'd all have to process with another IPSP. Quick Question: When your customers don't get their refunds on time, I'm sure you've all told a lie or two. Just so happens you din't have as many customers as iBill to lie to. Had your memberships been for almost a half a million customers who didn't get refunds, you probably would be trash talked all over GFY, XBiz, and any other forum for bitching. Scale the issue, seperate yourself, and realize - no matter how many names you name, and how many shareholdes are still there, the "Company" is presenting itself as new. New policies, new payout days, new services... If you still don't understand MY SIDE of the story, well then you will all take this hate for iBill to your grave. If you don't give a tree sunlight it won't grow - if you don't call iBill, your money might not show. Cat in the hat is the shit... Keep the bitching alive!! Oh yeah, and occasionally update the content of your sites!

4themoney, the currency IPSPs work in is trust and money. Can I trust the 3rd party with my money is the question when choosing an IPSP. Can you agree that trust has been lost in the Ibill team, no matter what you call it? Can trust be restored? I believe yes. But, only through paying every penny you owe. Is Ibill gonna be able to get people to process with them to get the money they are owed? The answer is, can the webmasters TRUST them with their money. They did once. How did that work out? No so well for many webmasters. It is not hate for Ibill, it is anger at a betrayal of trust.

Simple hypothetical scenario:

You owe $100k on a mortgage with your local bank. You default on the monthly payments. Instead of paying, you call your bank and ask for another $50k because you've restructured your accounting and now "you're good for it."

Show me a bank manager that wouldn't die laughing in your face at that point.

And why do you give a flying fuck whether iBill are reincarnated or not?? I don't.

Shuffling corps and shares does not mean a "new" company. Until they pay their creditors there is nothing "new" about them.

Ask the Galanis family if they plan to repay all the funds they defrauded and give the the homes he stole back to the rightful owners. Can ya also remind him, it's not a good idea to present $2mill in cash on the table when trying to buy malls - it makes folks twitch.

Fuck iBill - They are a waste of time :321GFY

That is true. Everyone will be paid in full although, not surprisingly, this will take time. As a Sales Rep, what I can do in some cases is help expedite payment arrangements for my clients. Everyone will be paid.

BTW: For all the bashers who talk about the one-time posters who then disappear, I am still here, and I still get back to GFY once every week or two.

Andrew
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SilentKnot, you have all day to play. And crafty with graphics too! Must mean you have everyone else wiping your ass for you. I love self-sufficient people! And why do you call yourself Silent, you never shut the fuck up! And to answer the question if I trust iBill with my money, as far as I can see through all their documentation, the money is held by a company other than iBill, IBD, or any other companies that you can associate with iBill. So then your trust issue is with them, Not iBill! Do a little more than scratching the surface on your research. And who cares about $2Mil for a mall... what the fuck does that have to do with the price of a golden shower in kentucky?

You guys give me something to do when I'm not eating at McDonalds or waxing my Pinto... Thanks for taking up my spare time.

Myself included, I think scoreman is the only one in here that makes any factual sense. He's ok in my book even if he wanted to gun down everyone at iBill, CCBill, Paycom.... Facts are Great! But iBill pays me on time, so why switch?

From iBills Terms and Conditions :
iBill and gkbill act as facilitators to help you accept payments from and make payments to third parties, including facilitating the load transaction. We act as your agent based upon your direction and your requests to use our Services that require us to perform tasks on your behalf. Acting on behalf of gkbill, iBill will at all times hold your funds separate from its corporate funds, will not use your funds for its operating expenses or any other corporate purposes, and will not voluntarily make funds available to its creditors in the event of bankruptcy or for any other purpose. You acknowledge that (i) iBill is not a bank and the Service is a money transfer and payment processing service rather than a banking service, and (ii) iBill is not acting as a trustee, fiduciary or escrow with respect to your funds, but is acting only as an agent and custodian.

I'm sure someone will say that this is not true as well, RIGHT?

"That is true. Everyone will be paid in full although, not surprisingly, this will take time. As a Sales Rep, what I can do in some cases is help expedite payment arrangements for my clients. Everyone will be paid."

So to get the money you are owed, you have to agree to use Ibill as your processor?

Shouldn't you say everyone that is owed money and uses Ibill as their primary processor will be paid? What happens to the money you owe people that don't use Ibill as a primary (for very good reasons) ?

It may be true 4themoney, but what if the people telling you this have lied to you in the past? Do you believe it?

It's in a legal "Terms and Conditions" document on their website. In saying "Legal Terms and Conditions" that should say enough. They've been in trouble once, why risk it again?

Not to mention the 9.69% rate they gave me, why would I go to CCBalls or someone else that is recommended to me? I like to make money, and save money, so that I can afford to spend money.

The continued idiocy of your words illustrate all we need to know about you. You've aptly demonstrated time and time again you know nothing about the issues. Your voice is that of a shrill little troll off in the distance.

As a proponent of iBill - your immaturity and total lack of professional business communication skills make you a public relations liability to any company. If I were in charge at iBill, I'd be consulting with our attorneys to initiate a cease and desist order and prevent you from speaking on behalf of the company.

You come across as a 12-year-old jerkoff, nothing more. Run along now, lad.

This forum is for adults.

Disney... Cute, furthers the point that you have nothing better to do than come up with creative ways to insult people whom you have no idea about. Lack of communication skills? I have communicated quite nicely despite your desperate attempts to humiliate me with your child-like images. I think you are the one showing your ass, but that's just my opinion. And I think everyone else here likes your images, so they stay on your side. I don't have time to mess with Churchs' Marquee's nor do I have the time to edit my own enema procedure in an atempt to humiliate someone I don't even know.

ibill Rules! I've been in the game since this past September and have not had one problem getting my payouts.

Do I smell a iBill Conspiracy Hoax in the works?

"ibill Rules! I've been in the game since this past September and have not had one problem getting my payouts."

You shoulda been there the September before last! It was a blast. :(

"They've been in trouble once, why risk it again?"

It was the webmasters that used Ibill that were in trouble, to be more specific.

You believe that the webmasters were the only ones in trouble? What about all the trouble iBill has with webmasters now? Not sufficient. Webmasters only have to deal with iBill. iBill is going to have to fix things with everyone! No comparison.

Who has the money and who doesn't?

Incorrect. That statement is ridiculous. Firstly, webmasters shouldn't have to hire a collection agency to track down funds that they are legitimately owed. Furthermore, those who do contact iBill are extorted for their funds.

1. No, I don't lie to my customers, I give them their money.
2. So you are justifying iBill's lying by saying other people lie so its okay.

Yes I would be trashed talked talked if this were the case. And to do the right thing I wouldn't compound it with more lies and bullshit and pull more money out of the company and into my pockets.

This is precisely the problem a lot of us have with them. Thanks for reiterating the point.

We do understand your side of the story. You are new, using iBill and happy with them. Good for you and I wish you the best. You are the one that refuses to understand the other side of the story. iBill fucked over so many people, never came clean with the truth, still owe people money and are not willing to pay that money as they should with no strings attached.