Doesn't the same person that owned IBill own IBDI? I thought i read that in a thread a while back.

IBDI = iBill NOW
 

Interactive Brand Development Inc. now owns iBill.

Which is exactly the reason so many people in this business get screwed again and again and again and then bitch about it on boards. Oh to be an anal lube manufacturer.

And 4themoney twat - it's a very, very bad bit of Ibill spam. Give it up already as even GFY people aren't dumb enough to believe your bullshit.

Humm we still have a bunch of rebills with ibill, we wont prime process with them, HOWEVER AGAIN in October they have MISSED theire payouts !!!

when calling they know they missed them and at first said they will pay them on the 1st, when I called today they said, sorry nope now we will pay them on the 15th again no one was available to really talk to just a prepared statenment read by the customer support dept.

no supervisor and certainly no payables people they were all "unabavailbale"

BTW the payouts I am talking about are the RESERVES that have been held back 6 months,

I would say that Ibill still seems to be in hot water and missing payments.

I will update this if I ever get a response

That statement is correct, however, it does not mean that iBill is under new ownership. Nor does it meant that iBill is no longer owned by the same decision makers who fucked everyone over in the past.

As for your dog shit analogy, it is a very poor one. The better way to put is, "Fuck me once it's your fault, fuck me twice it's my fault."

Well then...
 

Opinions - We all have 'em... Everyone is entitled, although most misguided. And I though the dog shit was a great anal-ogy..

You didnt answer my question: are you an IBDI shareholder?

I am not offering opinions here. I am stating fact.

Shareholder?
 

If I was a shareholder, that would mean you should be asking me for money. No, I'm not going to go into detail my connection, that's irrelevant. But every battle has two sides, and I choose to side with your so called enemy. I'm informed of the facts, and maybe if you paid any attention to iBills letters and emails, you might be informed as well. Would you believe me if I told you they owed me money too. Everyone's got to have a little faith, and if nothing happens, ever... Then none of this blog will ever be remembered. When the rest of the people owed get paid, there will be a lot of foot in mouth insertion websites popping up all over the place, only the webmasters will be the models!

if you use them, you have only yourself to blame when you come back a few months later bitching that you didnt receive your checks. Read todays threads and do a search on IBill's history of payment then if you decide to use them - you were warned.

I deal with hundreds of webmasters daily, not one has anything positive to say about IBill and I warn and steer anyone away who is planning on using them.

but.. dont take anyone's word on here - walk into an open manhole with your head looking up into the sky's thinking IBill is perfect and can be trusted. Its a long way to the bottom.

We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.

No Problems With Payouts
 

I have had no problems with them so far, hence my trust in them. I have had people swear by Ford Trucks, but some guy in Podunk, PA had a problem with his once, should I never buy Ford again? Rebranding, and Brand restructuring is a big thing these days, and you'd be surprised what happens when you give someone a chance. As for the open manhole head first, isn't that an extreme sport? And who in this whole forum doesn't take chances with their money?

Heres to the future promised by I-Bill

http://www.blurofinsanity.com/blurim...resuckhead.jpg

it is clear that you are being influenced by them.. if it was just ONCE then we wouldnt be so harsh.. but IBill hasnt done it more than once.. to more than one webmaster.. and guess what?? still continues to do it @!!!

they still havent paid their bill to a few companies that they were doing business with to get their new image off the ground !! Dont make me name names and call IBill out as to why they refuse to pay close to 14K to a company that helped them get their advertising shit together and never paid the company - instead they used that company to train someone for free

Pretty Crafty Rob...
 

You ever eat fast food... Looks really good on TV, but when served does it look the same? I'd venture to say no, and I'll also bet that you repeatedly visit the same restaurant for the same shitty food.

no I dont.. and that is why Ibill has left a bad taste in everyones mouth.. webmasters and I refuse to go back to that shitty trough and get fed more lies from you and the IBill team

Heres some words of advice you can take back to IBill when you talk to them

if IBill is expecting to get forgiven - not going to happen until they pay everyone up and continue to do so RE the company I was just commenting on.

if IBill is serious about gaining our trust - then face them and own up to what was happening and make some serious efforts instead of thinking webmasters are idiots

I'm New.. That I can Admit...
 

I'm new to the whole adult web commerce format. Enlighten me on what it should be like??? Please? Just because you have a platform from which to bitch, that is easily accessible, you chose to do so. I on the otherhand am trying to get a message out that you don't want to be heard, obviously. So I am going to assume you (anyone who talks badly about iBill) work for someone else who is paying you just the same as you assume that I am being influenced by iBill. The only influence that iBill has on me is that they process for me, and they do it right.

You simply dont get it. I know webmasters now who signed up with you that you still dont pay !!! So what new future IBill is that??\


I am a content company, plugin movies I am not influenced by any company such as yourself who asks me to post comments against IBill. What I am influenced by are webmasters that I speak too on a daily basis who ask for advice and who also vent to me their problems with Ibill.

so you see, I dont receive any money from this - nor am I working with your competitors - so how do you respond when you hear it from someone who is not bought off by your competitors or told what to say outside of the truth that being I have seen what you and IBill have done to my clients and continue to do so??

Patience - The wait for monies owed...
 

There is a light at the end of this dark iBill tunnel that you speak of... It's going to take a short while to get to that light, but you will get there. Let's do this, stop all the talk! Let iBill prove all of you wrong, and become the #1 Processor AGAIN! You'll be begging them for a phone call to rejoin.

Why would you use them when there are much better alternatives? What is one good reason?

Are you an IBill bot??

I assume your not reading anything that has been written or getting the point. Proof upon proof that they are continually doing the same thing as they did before gets thrown at you and you still stand up and say - they will be better dont worry.. light at the end of a tunnel.

well guess what.. with IBill - the light at the end of the tunnel for webmasters is a train coming the other way to fuck them over again !!!!!!

By the way, I don't work for iBill - I think I said that already, so please stop. I am a webmaster just like the rest. Fortunately I don't have any money owed, so yes, I am optimistic. You are free to speak your mind. Oh yeah, and I had one problem with iBill, my banking info wasn't correct, so if you know webmasters who aren't getting paid, maybe they should check that out first before they call iBill crooks.

You seem like an anti-iBill bot yourself buddy. Let's not point fingers. I have been trying to be civil, and you are so offensive - toward me - and I'm not iBill.

sorry your credibility is at question here. You are not a webmaster and if you are then IBill has begged you to stand up for them.

Go back to your puppet masters and ask them why they havent paid their bills to companies or webmasters that are owed? If you truly are a webmaster then you will listen to other webmasters rather than a company that died to us a long time ago.

I have had enough of your sucking the cock of IBill management hoping that webmasters will forget and forgive them. Not going to post to this thread again since you are not interested in hearing from anyone but attempting to promote IBill as a safe company to deal with when every webmaster who has been around knows the facts.

If you want to use IBill then fine - you have been warned by everyone who has dealt with them. But dont come crying like a rejected whore that they are changing and prepared to be forgiven again. and btw.. we are not idiots.. we know you are IBill. Only they have something good to say about their company

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Given the subject and the amount of people still being royally screwed he's also being VERY civil to a complete fucking tosspot Ibill employee with no clue.

Last :2 cents: as it was a daft thread from the start :)

Your glaring arrogance and obvious vested interest paints you as the ONLY individual in this thread that supports iBill's continuing rip-off scam against webmasters. Despite numerous people in this discussion that have pointed out the facts time and time again - still you refuse to listen and continue with your ridiculous iBill defense.

I guess we must all be somehow fucking delusion - and you're the only one with 20/20 vision. Silly us.

Inform those you defend that we *might* listen AFTER revenues owed are paid in full, along with the promised interest.

Until then...STFU. You and the company you sing the praises for are a contemptuous insult and total disgrace to the adult industry, webmaster community and e-commerce entrepreneurs around the world.


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

Awwww... Did that hurt?
 

You are a narrow minded prick... Yes I said it. I am new to the game, and I don't listen to rumors. But webmasters are not financial advisors.

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We continued using them and they havent missed a payment once they started again. Been very steady. Im also using 2 others spreading risk.
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You obviously missed that thread?

:thumbsup elloquently said.

If you listen to webmasters for advice then listen to this - I USE iBill - I have had no problems with them. So for any other webmasters out there who don't actually get off to the porn they sell, like ROB, feel free to use your own mind in making a decision on who you choose to process for you. I also use CCBill, and like them also. Just nothing to defend with them. But when the time comes, I will

and apparently, neither are you by submitting that IBill is secure and safe

[To use ibill or not?]That is a simple answer NO!!!
You have seen what everyone else has said. This company has shown its true colors and to be asked to work with them in any way shape or form is totally out of the question. They owe money and should payup now...not whenever it pleases their ass.
Thank goodness we never used them and we never will.
just my :2 cents:

What the fuck do you know? Really?
 

Give me proof... Not rumor, that iBill, at the present moment is not secure and safe, and I'll switch and utilize only CCBill. But rumor after rumor doesn't change blue to green.

give us proof that you were paid? that you are recieving your money from them.. that they arent manipulating you or that you have a connection to them?

show us that you are getting money or do we take your word on that when hundreds of webmasters (according to you) come on this board and lie that they arent getting paid by IBill. If Ibill was paying them, why isnt IBill coming on to show that they were paid and that the rumours were false??

All you have told me, is what other people have told you. I was told a young age that Santa was real, I'd get money for my teeth if I left them under my pillow, etc... Did you sever your relationship with your parents when you found out they had lied to you about all that? And then go tell all your friends that their parents are liars too?

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

Quite possibly Rob, the people who aren't on here posting, are the one's getting paid. I believe that iBill had more than a couple hundred customers, and when you do the math, a very small portion of them are on here complaining. So more people are happy than not, and you just can't get over the fact that someone else is getting paid and a few of your friends haven't gotten paid yet.

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?

You don't have to take my word, but what do you expect me to give you to prove it? You want my personal account info with them so you can call and verify? Are you nuts?

The only proof you should need is the fact, not rumor, that iBill/IBD/PHSL is still owned by the same people who fucked over so many really good people and forced many of them out of the biz costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars.

If you choose to entrust these people with your money, go for it and I wish you the best. But please do not insult our intelligence by trying to promote them as anything more than they are. Too many people got hurt badly by iBill and no matter how long they pay you on time, iBill is not going to get a second chance.