Second Chance?
 

For a lot of new people out there, it's not a second chance. And if you took a look at the way iBill handles money these days, you would notice differeces. I have researched all over the internet, and to me the choice is easy. It's like the dog at the pound that no one wants, that turns out to be the dog that saves your life! I say if they were #1 before, why can't they be #1 again?

me thinks you are a lawyer for IBill

have a look at these recent samples or do you not trust the new york daily times either and other sites?

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517

http://channels.lockergnome.com/poli...ustomers.phtml

i'm sorry, this could NEVER happen at the NEW ibill........

then why do you demand that webmasters show us proof when you yourself wont give us yours. Why are webmasters liers and your not?

then show us proof that you are paid faithfully by them or are we to take your word?

show us proof that you are not connected to Ibill in some way or are we to take your word?


or Shut the Fuck up

additional proof. lets see yours now?

http://www.newyorkdailytimes.com/home.htm?m=ibill

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/2/11/16207/9517

http://channels.lockergnome.com/pol...customers.phtml

Media, Media, Media - Did you know that those same publications make society believe that they have all kinds of illnesses, that your daughter is too fat, or too skinny, or that bald isn't better? They do the same with business... Scary huh... It is a perpetual cycle of bullshit. The only people you can get answers from is iBill. You don't live off facts you live off fiction. Get your hands dirty to find out where the problem lies, don't ask someone to do it for you.

You've aptly demonstrated your total insignificance. In fact, your posts here are nothing more than stereotypical troll behavior. I suspect your motivations are merely to agitate.

Make no mistake - labeling someone in this community "a narrow minded prick" during a business-oriented discussion will come back to haunt you someday.

What goes around, comes around.

Run along now to your little cubicle where all is happy and bright for you - for the time being.


Silent Knight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

- fucking `tards

If I gave you proof, it wouldn't change your narrow mind. You would try to find some way to debunk my theory that iBill has changed from what you know it to be.

LMAO you are too funny, you really dont want the truth do you??.

first you wont take the word of webmasters, now you wont take the word of trusted new sources.. so lets them ask, if iBill is making a comeback, why are all their ads are dropping off of the sites they started advertising on?

No Cubicle
 

Just a living room and a computer... Sorry to disappoint.. and yes I am insignificant to your little world of hating.

Disappearing Ads?
 

Probably because they are trying to use that money to payout ranting webmasters... Just a thought. But what do I know?

I do admire your tenacity, as misplaced as it is. Just hope you got cash as compensation from iBill. As I expected from you, another typical iBill poster, you ignore the facts and spew crap. The ole, "no publicity is bad publicity" approach.

I'm just glad you guys at iBill keep threads like this alive. Reminds us all of who you really are and what you are really about. Keeps the bitter taste fresh in everyones mouth.

ah.. so it is up to us to prove to you, but you cant prove to us?? You are so OWNED !! YOu cant even prove your own statements but demand us to on ours. I show you articles written by other sources not from the adult industry and you still smirk at it. very similar to a paid employee or a lawyer attempting to make IBill look good with huge mountains of proof.

You truly know how to make a mountain into a molehill.

so lets try this webmasterboy who has nothing to do with Ibill and refuses to accept truth - if iBill is making a comeback, why are all their ads are dropping off of the sites they started advertising on?

to name a few - adultchamber, weboverdrive, netpond, adult insider to name a few. others were prepaid and expiring.

this thread is funny in so many ways

:1orglaugh

:thumbsup :thumbsup

You say tomato-
 

I say go fuck yourself. After all, that's what this site is all about right, helping your "fellow" webmaster-baters, and guiding their decisions by your opinion. Well, time to hit up the local McD's for lunch... Keep up the good advertising with all your messages... good job guys...

are your also webby

http://www.gfyboard.com/showthread.php?t=412297

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=426616

thanks for visiting Webby / IBill or whoever you are.

http://www.owned-pictures.com/owned-pictures/003.jpg

Absolutely PRICELESS!!!!!

job well done! :thumbsup :error

Sure I can be objective. when I first started using Ibill many many years ago they were great , 24/7 support, the person on the other end of the phone spoke english :) and knew the answers, payments arrived in my bank on time or withing a day or so. cmi was updated and accurate. loved it.

then one day in september they payments stopped. so did the englisg speaking perople and the 24/7 support, the knolege of the people on the phone IF you could get them was zero and routed oftern to mailboxes that weer full .

Today its a little better, what payments I stil have with them sorta come on time, the reserves never showed up in my account last month, as I am told no ones did, they cant answer my questions. the people on the other end of the phone sometimes barely speak english, 24 / 7 support has gone, even during support hours i oftern get the out of hoursd message at 11 am in the morning (est ) if I have a question about payments i am told there is no superisor there and "payables" wont take phone calls, I have to e-mail them. I do, gues what , no reply. I asked about intergrating ibill as a backup processor with my systems I was told i would receive a call back to help set that up, it never happened.

You ask what I would want. I would want the old ibill back. luckily theire are other processors that are willing to offer this.

Ibill once in the middle of this asked us to trust them, wel since they have about 23K still of my money its a little hard to do, and each time i put down the phone , frustrated because "abdule" from soem inian tech center has no basic information and cant transfer me anywhere my "trust" of them slips alittle further away.

zac

And a merry go fuck yourself to you as well. Enjoy your lunch and get used to eating at McD's if you are counting on iBill.

It certainly seems suspicious, due to the fact that you're not known in the industry, you just registered today and you've only
posted about how great iBill is.



I think we've heard this one before. "No really, this time we mean it."



This is very suspicious wording, if you're not an agent of iBill.




Aren't the old owners the same as the new owners?




Then perhaps you should listen to those who have been around the block a time or two.




I'm happy for you. However if you're new, like you say, then the fact that you haven't
had problems doesn't count for much. A few on time payouts does not build much of a
reputation for reliability in light of iBill's continuing payment issues.



For someone who just processes with iBill, you sure seem awfully ferverant about spreading this message.



Your analogy is flawed. The Ford Pinto would be much more accurate...

The rush of the Pinto from conception to production was a recipe for disaster. Many studies have been
concluded by Mother Jones on Pinto accident reports which have revealed conclusively that if a Pinto being
followed at over 30 miles per hour was hit by that following vehicle, the rear end of the car would buckle
like an accordion, right up to the back seat. The tube leading to the gas-tank cap would be ripped away
from the tank itself, and gas would immediately begin sloshing onto the road around the car. The buckled
gas tank would be jammed up against the differential housing (the large bulge in the middle of the rear
axle), which contains four sharp, protruding bolts likely to gash holes in the tank and spill still more
gas. Now all that is needed is a spark from a cigarette, ignition, or scraping metal, and both cars would
be engulfed in flames. If a Pinto was struck from behind at higher speed say, at 40 mph chances are very
good that its doors would jam shut and its trapped passengers inside would burn to death.
(From: http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm)


Of course not EVERY pinto blew up and killed its passengers, so lets give the Ford Pinto a second chance!!!!




So the forty two million dollars iBill owes is due to incorrect banking information? iBill would undoubtably
be aware that checks are getting returned and wires not going through, shouldn't they contact their customers when
they know there's a problem sending the payments?




But you're already admitted you're new. Plus nobody knows you, so unfortunately you don't have much credibility. Its good you're
had no problems with them, but don't expect other people to give what you say as much credence when it runs contrary to
the testimony of other people who are known and respected. The one post that Tony404 made saying he has been paid, does FAR more
to help iBill's case than ALL of the posts you've made.



For someone who just processes with iBill you're taking this awfully personally.



Why do you care so much?

I'd love nothing for there to be more than two viable North American IPSPs, however iBill is damaged goods. It will take
a lot for them to be credible again. They may be able to come back, but with the outstanding debts and the similarity
in management they're not looking too good.



At one time we accounted for about 1% of iBill's revenue and we've been paid most of what we're owed (except of course the web900).
However that doesn't change the fact that the way iBill handled the whole situation left a very bad taste in our mouths. We're
happy we got paid, but we're not particularly happy with iBill. This doesn't mean we are opposed to doing business with iBill again, but
its not worth the risk when there are other viable options out there.

Bullshit.

Right now I'm SO tempted to publically post these so-called "answers" you allude to - in the form of a dozen email exchanges I've had over the course of the past month with a myriad of jackass iBill reps.

If iBill is ripe with answers - what's the answer to "WHY HAVEN'T I GOTTEN MY FUCKING MONEY?!"

How many times must this question be asked? How many vanishing reps must I ask this question of? What's the timeframe involved? How much more of my time must I waste chasing this fabled payment?

Answer the above, or fuck off. Its simple, really.


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

I hope all my competitors start using ibill, thats a recurring wet dream I have been having since last year when they stopped paying me what they owe me but continued to rebill

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

its one of those places I cant even recommend to an enemy, for all I know this was a major halloween joke

Thanks for pointing out that IBD released their latest 10k. There is alot of information there that I was unaware of.

For those who are considering a trade of stock for debt you might want to consider how much IBD is diluting their stock:

<From the 10k statement>:
On July 14, 2004, we approved the issuance of 4,000,000 shares of our common stock to Oak Street Ventures, Inc. in connection with a Settlement and Termination Agreement dated July 14, 2004. Oak Street Ventures, Inc., a third party consultant, participated in the acquisition of iBill. The 4,000,000 shares are subject to a one-year lock up agreement. Gary Spaniak, Sr. is a principal of Oak Street Ventures, Inc. Gary Spaniak; Sr. is the father of Gary Spaniak, Jr. (an officer and director of our company)

On August 26, 2004 we agreed to issue 40,000 shares of common stock to. Northbound, Inc in consideration for business consulting services provided to our company during 2004. These consulting services included services related to our insurance coverage. The services were valued at $5,800. The principal of Northbound is the son of Gilbert Singerman, a director of our company.

On October 5, 2004, we also approved the issuance of 503,680 shares of common stock to Corporation First, Inc. for certain business consulting services valued at $73,034. The shares were issued on December 3, 2004. Voting control of Corporation First is held by the mother of Gary Spaniak, Jr.

On October 5, 2004, we also approved the issuance of 503,680 shares of common stock to Corporation First, Inc. for certain business consulting services valued at $73,034. The shares were issued on December 3, 2004. Voting control of Corporation First is held by the mother of Gary Spaniak, Jr.

On December 20, 2004 we approved the issuance of 200,000 shares of our common stock to Children's Academy of Pompano Beach, Inc. The shares were issued to Children's Academy of Pompano Beach, Inc. in consideration for the termination of our lease agreement for our former executive offices and release of any potential claims under the lease agreement. The lease agreement was through December 2007 and the remaining obligations under the lease were approximately $307,500. The principal of Children's Academy of Pompano Beach, Inc. is the mother of Gary Spaniak, Jr.

IBD also traded 6,700,000 shares of stock for cel animation.

1,198,000 shares were given to a individual to convert his preferred stock.

i dont think they are a good company

4TheMoney you seem to want us to believe that iBill is a brand new company, with new owners. The 10k says this


NUMBER OF SHARES
NAME AND ADDRESS BENEFICIALLY OWNED
Granite Management Company, LLC(1)(3) 15,000,000
Summit Trading Limited(2)(3) 15,000,000
Monarch Pointe Fund LP(3)(4) 10,680,280
CCI II, L.L.C.(3)(5) 12,030,417
Steve Markley 517,117
Gary Spaniak, Jr. 1,701,667
Steven Robinson 500,000
Gilbert Singerman 2,000
Robert Dolin 62,500
PHSL Worldwide, Inc.(6)(10) 100,930,171
Luis Enrique Fernando Molina Galeana(6) 100,930,171
Jason Galanis(6)(7)(8)(10) 39,037,120
Charles Samel(6)(7)(9)(10) 54,004,720
All Officers and directors as a group,
(5 individuals) 2,783,284


This seems to be a list of the same people who were present when iBill was driven into the ground in 2004.

I predict 4themoney's posting spree of yesterday was a one-day non-recurring event.

No reps (or supporters) from iBill carry on a sustained defense for more than a few posts. Its been illustrated time and time ago they don't have answers for our questions - and all they spew is rhetorical lies and false promises.

Yesterday one individual (Tony404) made a singular post that he'd received revenues owing - but then never answered when asked if he'd gotten payments dating back to Sept. '04.

The fiasco continues...


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.

Ibill stock has (IBDI) has dropped to an all-time low of 9 cents a share. About a year ago, it was almost a dollar a share. Doesn't that tell you something about the future of this struggling company?

Even Enron stock was above 9 cents at the end.


Crunch time comes in March when all the promised payments are set to be mailed out. What happens if there isn't enough money to pay monies owed?

Maybe they will issue more stock? By the way, if you remove your buttons after signing a settlement contract, you are automatically issued stock instead of monies owed.

That seems to be the M.O. I guess the new employees don't stick around too long at that place once they realize what is going on. I'm just glad they come on every now and then to help remind us of their true colors.

Bump so 4themoney can comment on your revelation that the New Ibill, is also the Old Ibill. His silence is deafening. ;)

In fact I am still here. I started on GFY about 4 months ago, but I am generally too busy to check it. Mostly I am busy putting together payment arrangements for webmasters who ARE getting paid. Several of them HAVE posted here to say they were paid, but were generally lambasted so they chose not to come back.

If you are a CLIENT who iBill owes money to for BILLING, you can contact me for information about a payment arrangement.

[email protected] (still here, still answering emails, still sending people money)

...and yes, I AM an iBill employee

FOR THE RECORD: Most of the bashing that goes on here is from affiliates who were unable to collect money owed to them, even though that money HAS been paid to the webmaster to which they were sending traffic. Some of the other iBill bashing posts come from former iBill employees (some sales reps, some former management). Now if you want to know who you should be REALLY angry with...

Bull Shit
 

This post is so full of shit i can smell it from here. Still no one has posted that they got paid for money owed before the Sept 2004 closing of Ibills merchant account by First Data.

You post is full of supposition and conjecture....

The fact is Iball's put people out of business due to withholding payments that First Data released months ago, i personally heard of people losing their homes. People reading this should remember a company like Ibill is responsible for putting people out of there homes and onto the streets, cars being repossessed and many business relationships destroyed between sponsors and affiliates. There is no way in hell anyone should ever trust this company again. As has already been pointed out in this thread Iball's is still owned by the same people who sent it down the tubes in September, nothing has changed just a lot of new false promised and lies.

No webmaster or affiliate should consider ever again using Ibill and even though we paid all our affiliates all outstanding monies due by Iball's the overwhelming consensus is they will never again risk signing up with a company that has such a blatant disregard for its clients well-being!

thats been almost a 2 day trip to McD's did the check bounce from IBill so you have to work to pay off your tab?

I can't believe an Ibill thread still lasts this long. They are such old news it is rediculous (as I am posting on it too). Move on already poeple.

Please enlighten us all...who should people be angry with over everything that happened, and is still happening at iBill?

2004-2005-2006-2007-2008 however long it takes.
 

No way! I intend to keep Iball's threads current so that any new affiliate or webmaster can see the results of this companys dealings with online billing and how they treat clients.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...y/clapping.gif

Bullshit. Other than 'Tony404' who posted a brief message a few days ago, there's been no one else that I've been able to find here on GFY that supports your above claim.

ALSO FOR THE RECORD (since this last bit was specifically aimed in my direction):

My company Kastle Archives Productions had used iBill since approx. 1999, and during that time we received revenue payments directly from iBill through a revshare sub-account. We own the websites that generated the revenue that put the food on your table. The master account at the time was held by the webhosting company we were using and they received separate revenue payments.

And now that iBill is making questionable overtures about paying what is owed, they suddenly decide to pay the money to master account holders only, bypassing the revshare sub-account holders.

Andrew - this is not "bashing". This is black & white fact that can't be denied. Belittling this by labeling it "bashing" is complete and total ignorance on your part. We have copies of iBill's own revshare sub-account webpage that indicates the amount owed directly to us - NOT THE MASTER ACCT HOLDER. Even the master account holder is in agreement with us on this fact and has corresponded this to you on numerous occasions.

Yet still you play these silly games both in public and behind-the-scenes.

Why is that?

Yes, do tell us Andrew. Who is it this week?


SilentKnight

Kastle Archives Productions Inc.