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TDF · 10-30-2005, 05:12 PM

50 bad days...

Furious_Male · 10-30-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zprogramz

Our sales are up and traffic we are sending elsewhere is converting the same as always. A few weeks afgo we had a slow week and don;t kn ow why but everything is usually very consistent. As far as scrubbing variations, we only use our own merchant accounts and usually on send traffic to programs with a merchant account as as their primary such as Dating Gold, Eroticy, AFF, LFP and a few others lately.

I noticed Dating Gold doesn't seem to be affected by the slumps I see with other sponsors. I can always count on them to produce a +ROI for me.

What other programs use there own merchant accounts. I am seriously thinking about making some huge changes to my existing line up of sponsors.

andrej_NDC · 10-30-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

What other programs use there own merchant accounts. I am seriously thinking about making some huge changes to my existing line up of sponsors.

no offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.

Eservices2k3 · 10-30-2005, 05:25 PM

I send to sponsors that the majority of you have never even heard of. They all have their own merchant accounts, and I can't remember the last time I uttered the word "scrub". Stability is the least of my concerns.

I strongly suggest you all look into something similar.

Eservices2k3 · 10-30-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

no offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.

You have a point, but the truth of the matter is that scrubbing DOES exist and it's a matter of how hard.

If you find the right sponsors with their own merchant account and establish a solid relationship, you will become accustomed to pretty consistent conversions. I speak from experience.

Drake · 10-30-2005, 05:32 PM

Time to put the kibosh on bad sales

andrej_NDC · 10-30-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Eservices2k3

You have a point, but the truth of the matter is that scrubbing DOES exist and it's a matter of how hard.

scrubbing does exist, but scrubbing doesnt mean, that some days are 50% worse than the other ones. When people dont want to sign-up, whatever the reason might be, they wont, no matter who does the billing for the site, they just wont.

Furious_Male · 10-30-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

no offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.

No offense taken. I am simply looking at other avenues to send my traffic to. You never know what might "click" with your traffic.

andrej_NDC · 10-30-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

No offense taken. I am simply looking at other avenues to send my traffic to. You never know what might "click" with your traffic.

sure, testing different sponsors is the key, but dont set the priorities on things like billing, etc...just look for sites with good design, good marketing, good content, thats what matters

slapass · 10-30-2005, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

You are not alone. I am comparing historical stats and this week has been bad. Not the worst I have ever seen but bad.

Certain sponsors are not converting at all (mostly paycom processed). CCbill processed sites are just starting to come around a bit the past couple of days.

Im not one to blame someone or anything but I like to speculate there is some heavy scrub going on right now on the paycom side of things.

I would agree with this 100%.

Xplicit · 10-30-2005, 05:47 PM

I had a great month. Some nice TCG reality site conversions, and AAC is rockin it as always (see sig).

Eservices2k3 · 10-30-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

scrubbing does exist, but scrubbing doesnt mean, that some days are 50% worse than the other ones. When people dont want to sign-up, whatever the reason might be, they wont, no matter who does the billing for the site, they just wont.

In addition to having their own merchant account, some sponsors I use also use paycom or ccbill. You'd be amazed if you saw the difference in sales from identical sites, and identical traffic....especially this past week. I shit you not, it is in fact 50% WORSE.

Zprogramz · 10-30-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

no offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.

Bullshit! When Netbilling had some downtime last week, the main sponsor that we send exit traffic to, switched to CCbill for several hours and during that time we saw a 30% decrease in signups.

Z

Forkbeard · 10-30-2005, 06:30 PM

In every thread like this, there's a few assholes who respond with "I'm having my best week ever." This time, it's my turn to be one of those assholes.

Yup, the last two weeks have been my highest-grossing weeks in the biz.

I'll admit that CCbill sales are down a bit, though.

andrej_NDC · 10-30-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zprogramz

Bullshit! When Netbilling had some downtime last week, the main sponsor that we send exit traffic to, switched to CCbill for several hours and during that time we saw a 30% decrease in signups.

Z

we all know your stand point to netbilling already...

btw 30% decrease of sign-ups? So you are telling me, that if you get lets say 1000 sales a day, that you get 41 sales per hour and 0.7 sale per minute? This is bullshit! Sign-ups dont come like this, some hours are good some are worse, even different days are different during the day, some days start slow, etc...So a few hours test means shit, tell the sponsor to switch to cbill for 1 month and then talk about the results.

Eservices2k3 · 10-30-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

we all know your stand point to netbilling already...

btw 30% decrease of sign-ups? So you are telling me, that if you get lets say 1000 sales a day, that you get 41 sales per hour and 0.7 sale per minute? This is bullshit! Sign-ups dont come like this, some hours are good some are worse, even different days are different during the day, some days start slow, etc...So a few hours test means shit, tell the sponsor to switch to cbill for 1 month and then talk about the results.

I used to do tests like this frequently with sponsors. I send the same traffic to the same site, only difference is 1 is their merchant account, and the other is a 3rd party processor. I'd do tests for 1-2 weeks at a time...and the winner, every time, is my sponsor's merchant account. Usually it's not even close.

At the same time, I used to use some sponsors who had merchant accounts that performed the same as their 3rd party processor. Pick and choose your sponsors wisely and the difference is incredible.

nico-t · 10-30-2005, 06:57 PM

on the contrary, i think this month is my best month ever

QuaWee · 10-30-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleHoppes

Glad I got out when I did!

please kill yourself

slapass · 10-30-2005, 07:06 PM

We all could just admit that ccbill has been scrubbing hard all month and lightened up this week a little and Paycom was scrubbing as hard as hell for the whole week.

abcdwebkate · 10-30-2005, 07:08 PM

End of the month sales tend to be weaker than sales beginning of the month. How were sales at the beginning of October?

Lee · 10-30-2005, 07:11 PM

Beginning of the month was fine but this past week has been a national disgrace. I had my worst day in over 2 years yesterday which really summed it up.

Zprogramz · 10-30-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

we all know your stand point to netbilling already...

btw 30% decrease of sign-ups? So you are telling me, that if you get lets say 1000 sales a day, that you get 41 sales per hour and 0.7 sale per minute? This is bullshit! Sign-ups dont come like this, some hours are good some are worse, even different days are different during the day, some days start slow, etc...So a few hours test means shit, tell the sponsor to switch to cbill for 1 month and then talk about the results.

It is just an example. We run our own merchant accounts and use third party as secondary and sometimes run tests with 3rd party as primary and the results are ALWAYS the same. I know what I am talking about.

Z

Furious_Male · 10-30-2005, 08:12 PM

Well it can be debated but I still would like to try some sites that have there own merchant accounts.

xclusive · 10-30-2005, 08:50 PM

Been a very slow few weeks for me

Zprogramz · 10-30-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

Well it can be debated but I still would like to try some sites that have there own merchant accounts.

Try Fetishcash, Dating Gold, AFF, Eroticy, Sammysmack, Scorecash. They all do well for us and have their own merchant accounts.

Z

Zprogramz · 10-30-2005, 09:02 PM

oh - wasteland does well for us too

Z

RogerV · 10-30-2005, 09:05 PM

Your promoting the wrong sponsors LOL

I had the best week ever No BS

vvq · 10-30-2005, 09:12 PM

Send Traffic Gigolos some traffic.

tony286 · 10-30-2005, 09:16 PM

The past two months have been weak, when in past years this is when the rise starts. I think gas prices have hurt people and regardless of what the pundits tell you the economy isnt doing that great and the middle class is hurting and thats who buys our wares.

The Sultan Of Smut · 10-30-2005, 11:06 PM

The last couple of days have picked up but over all my last 2 weeks have been the worst in a couple of years at 1:800. I'm usually 1:350 but I thought it was just me being lazy since I had shoulder surgery and haven't been working for the past 3 weeks. I'm sorta glad to hear it's not just me

teomaxxx · 10-31-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Furious_Male

Certain sponsors are not converting at all (mostly paycom processed). CCbill processed sites are just starting to come around a bit the past couple of days.

Im not one to blame someone or anything but I like to speculate there is some heavy scrub going on right now on the paycom side of things.

exactly same here, while having great conversions with ccbill, paycom is really bad. i lost this month in paid spots with sponsors using paycom around 1k already, this is definately worst month for me.

bigdog · 10-31-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by teomaxxx

exactly same here, while having great conversions with ccbill, paycom is really bad. i lost this month in paid spots with sponsors using paycom around 1k already, this is definately worst month for me.

damn first time i ever heard somoene is really doing worst with paycom vs ccbill

teomaxxx · 10-31-2005, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

damn first time i ever heard somoene is really doing worst with paycom vs ccbill

yes, paycom was always better for me.

Jakke PNG · 10-31-2005, 02:20 AM

July good
august better
september worse than august
october worse than july

last week was the best in october for me though.

phonesex · 10-31-2005, 02:25 AM

see sig and makes some money

selena · 10-31-2005, 06:24 AM

My personal stuff has picked up the last week or so. Mid-October I was starting to freak.

Decadawn · 10-31-2005, 06:41 AM

Worst month here too..

Midget · 10-31-2005, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Your promoting the wrong sponsors LOL

I had the best week ever No BS

God you are shameless

Theo · 10-31-2005, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Zprogramz

Try Fetishcash, Dating Gold, AFF, Eroticy, Sammysmack, Scorecash. They all do well for us and have their own merchant accounts.

Z

what's your paysite? you never reply on this question and makes me wonder.

strobi · 10-31-2005, 07:03 AM

Well the strange thing is, I did my best month yet since the last 5 months. My ccbill is kinda bad around 1:900 (sending around 15K/day) thought but overal I'm doing extremely well.

Ace-wtf · 10-31-2005, 07:13 AM

hope you guys all do better next month

justsexxx · 10-31-2005, 07:17 AM

Funny how a "merchant" acount gives 30% better results, as some persons say. As sponsor, we can see the DENIALS. Let's say ALL denials are approved at your own merchant account provider. Well I can tell you. Our denials are not even CLOSE to 30%.

body · 10-31-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eservices2k3

I used to do tests like this frequently with sponsors. I send the same traffic to the same site, only difference is 1 is their merchant account, and the other is a 3rd party processor. I'd do tests for 1-2 weeks at a time...and the winner, every time, is my sponsor's merchant account. Usually it's not even close.

At the same time, I used to use some sponsors who had merchant accounts that performed the same as their 3rd party processor. Pick and choose your sponsors wisely and the difference is incredible.

the same traffic? You mean the same traffic? No wonder that they join the merchant account only, why should they join with the 3rd party processor again? ;)

slapass · 10-31-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Funny how a "merchant" acount gives 30% better results, as some persons say. As sponsor, we can see the DENIALS. Let's say ALL denials are approved at your own merchant account provider. Well I can tell you. Our denials are not even CLOSE to 30%.

Do you ever wonder what % of traffic bails out when a different URL pop-ups to collect the info and the money? I always thought this was a flaw in the way our current system works.

Doctor Dre · 10-31-2005, 07:49 AM

Last month has been shitty for everyone

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=1#post8527638

ronaldo · 10-31-2005, 07:54 AM

First part of the month was close to my best for the year, but last week was absolutely horrible.

Furious_Male · 10-31-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zprogramz

Try Fetishcash, Dating Gold, AFF, Eroticy, Sammysmack, Scorecash. They all do well for us and have their own merchant accounts.

Z

thank you..

justsexxx · 10-31-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Do you ever wonder what % of traffic bails out when a different URL pop-ups to collect the info and the money? I always thought this was a flaw in the way our current system works.

What do you mean? We operate our own paysite...

Paul Markham · 10-31-2005, 08:52 AM

Last week was definitely slow on the content stores.

Affiliates don't sell and then they don't buy, finf one follows the other.

RogerV · 10-31-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Midget

God you are shameless

I'm just trying to help LOL do people care NO! they just bitch and continue to promote sites and sponsors that dont convert.

Dont be lazy and try us out.. find out for yourself promote someone who has more experience in running paysites then 99% of the programs out there

Its not rocket sience to figure out why we convert its 9 years of experience

do you love it

10-30-2005, 05:12 PM	#51
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