50 bad days...
It's official - the worst week in sales since i work online
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I noticed Dating Gold doesn't seem to be affected by the slumps I see with other sponsors. I can always count on them to produce a +ROI for me.Originally posted by ZprogramzOur sales are up and traffic we are sending elsewhere is converting the same as always. A few weeks afgo we had a slow week and don;t kn ow why but everything is usually very consistent. As far as scrubbing variations, we only use our own merchant accounts and usually on send traffic to programs with a merchant account as as their primary such as Dating Gold, Eroticy, AFF, LFP and a few others lately.
What other programs use there own merchant accounts. I am seriously thinking about making some huge changes to my existing line up of sponsors.Living in Virtual Reality
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no offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.Originally posted by Furious_MaleWhat other programs use there own merchant accounts. I am seriously thinking about making some huge changes to my existing line up of sponsors.Comment
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I send to sponsors that the majority of you have never even heard of. They all have their own merchant accounts, and I can't remember the last time I uttered the word "scrub". Stability is the least of my concerns.
I strongly suggest you all look into something similar."Every man think that his burden is the heaviest"
"Whosoever diggeth the pit, shall fall in it"
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You have a point, but the truth of the matter is that scrubbing DOES exist and it's a matter of how hard.Originally posted by andrej_NDCno offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.
If you find the right sponsors with their own merchant account and establish a solid relationship, you will become accustomed to pretty consistent conversions. I speak from experience."Every man think that his burden is the heaviest"
"Whosoever diggeth the pit, shall fall in it"
-Bob MarleyComment
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scrubbing does exist, but scrubbing doesnt mean, that some days are 50% worse than the other ones. When people dont want to sign-up, whatever the reason might be, they wont, no matter who does the billing for the site, they just wont.Originally posted by Eservices2k3You have a point, but the truth of the matter is that scrubbing DOES exist and it's a matter of how hard.Comment
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No offense taken. I am simply looking at other avenues to send my traffic to. You never know what might "click" with your traffic.Originally posted by andrej_NDCno offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.Living in Virtual Reality
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sure, testing different sponsors is the key, but dont set the priorities on things like billing, etc...just look for sites with good design, good marketing, good content, thats what mattersOriginally posted by Furious_MaleNo offense taken. I am simply looking at other avenues to send my traffic to. You never know what might "click" with your traffic.
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I would agree with this 100%.Originally posted by Furious_MaleYou are not alone. I am comparing historical stats and this week has been bad. Not the worst I have ever seen but bad.
Certain sponsors are not converting at all (mostly paycom processed). CCbill processed sites are just starting to come around a bit the past couple of days.
Im not one to blame someone or anything but I like to speculate there is some heavy scrub going on right now on the paycom side of things.Comment
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In addition to having their own merchant account, some sponsors I use also use paycom or ccbill. You'd be amazed if you saw the difference in sales from identical sites, and identical traffic....especially this past week. I shit you not, it is in fact 50% WORSE.Originally posted by andrej_NDCscrubbing does exist, but scrubbing doesnt mean, that some days are 50% worse than the other ones. When people dont want to sign-up, whatever the reason might be, they wont, no matter who does the billing for the site, they just wont."Every man think that his burden is the heaviest"
"Whosoever diggeth the pit, shall fall in it"
-Bob MarleyComment
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Bullshit! When Netbilling had some downtime last week, the main sponsor that we send exit traffic to, switched to CCbill for several hours and during that time we saw a 30% decrease in signups.Originally posted by andrej_NDCno offence, but merchant accounts mean shit. One of the worst converting sponsors I ever used has its own merchant account. Im not saying, that they didnt convert because of that...Im just saying, that the differences between 3rd party billings and merchant accounts are slim. The same site would make maybe 10% more with less scrubbing. But the paysites out there are not all the same, you have to promote good sites, everything else is not important.
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In every thread like this, there's a few assholes who respond with "I'm having my best week ever." This time, it's my turn to be one of those assholes.
Yup, the last two weeks have been my highest-grossing weeks in the biz.
I'll admit that CCbill sales are down a bit, though.Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.Comment
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we all know your stand point to netbilling already...Originally posted by ZprogramzBullshit! When Netbilling had some downtime last week, the main sponsor that we send exit traffic to, switched to CCbill for several hours and during that time we saw a 30% decrease in signups.
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btw 30% decrease of sign-ups? So you are telling me, that if you get lets say 1000 sales a day, that you get 41 sales per hour and 0.7 sale per minute? This is bullshit! Sign-ups dont come like this, some hours are good some are worse, even different days are different during the day, some days start slow, etc...So a few hours test means shit, tell the sponsor to switch to cbill for 1 month and then talk about the results.Comment
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I used to do tests like this frequently with sponsors. I send the same traffic to the same site, only difference is 1 is their merchant account, and the other is a 3rd party processor. I'd do tests for 1-2 weeks at a time...and the winner, every time, is my sponsor's merchant account. Usually it's not even close.Originally posted by andrej_NDCwe all know your stand point to netbilling already...
btw 30% decrease of sign-ups? So you are telling me, that if you get lets say 1000 sales a day, that you get 41 sales per hour and 0.7 sale per minute? This is bullshit! Sign-ups dont come like this, some hours are good some are worse, even different days are different during the day, some days start slow, etc...So a few hours test means shit, tell the sponsor to switch to cbill for 1 month and then talk about the results.
At the same time, I used to use some sponsors who had merchant accounts that performed the same as their 3rd party processor. Pick and choose your sponsors wisely and the difference is incredible."Every man think that his burden is the heaviest"
"Whosoever diggeth the pit, shall fall in it"
-Bob MarleyComment
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End of the month sales tend to be weaker than sales beginning of the month. How were sales at the beginning of October?SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.Comment
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It is just an example. We run our own merchant accounts and use third party as secondary and sometimes run tests with 3rd party as primary and the results are ALWAYS the same. I know what I am talking about.Originally posted by andrej_NDCwe all know your stand point to netbilling already...
btw 30% decrease of sign-ups? So you are telling me, that if you get lets say 1000 sales a day, that you get 41 sales per hour and 0.7 sale per minute? This is bullshit! Sign-ups dont come like this, some hours are good some are worse, even different days are different during the day, some days start slow, etc...So a few hours test means shit, tell the sponsor to switch to cbill for 1 month and then talk about the results.
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Well it can be debated but I still would like to try some sites that have there own merchant accounts.Living in Virtual Reality
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Try Fetishcash, Dating Gold, AFF, Eroticy, Sammysmack, Scorecash. They all do well for us and have their own merchant accounts.Originally posted by Furious_MaleWell it can be debated but I still would like to try some sites that have there own merchant accounts.
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The past two months have been weak, when in past years this is when the rise starts. I think gas prices have hurt people and regardless of what the pundits tell you the economy isnt doing that great and the middle class is hurting and thats who buys our wares.Comment
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The last couple of days have picked up but over all my last 2 weeks have been the worst in a couple of years at 1:800. I'm usually 1:350 but I thought it was just me being lazy since I had shoulder surgery and haven't been working for the past 3 weeks. I'm sorta glad to hear it's not just me
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exactly same here, while having great conversions with ccbill, paycom is really bad. i lost this month in paid spots with sponsors using paycom around 1k already, this is definately worst month for me.Originally posted by Furious_Male
Certain sponsors are not converting at all (mostly paycom processed). CCbill processed sites are just starting to come around a bit the past couple of days.
Im not one to blame someone or anything but I like to speculate there is some heavy scrub going on right now on the paycom side of things.Comment
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damn first time i ever heard somoene is really doing worst with paycom vs ccbillOriginally posted by teomaxxxexactly same here, while having great conversions with ccbill, paycom is really bad. i lost this month in paid spots with sponsors using paycom around 1k already, this is definately worst month for me.Comment
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Funny how a "merchant" acount gives 30% better results, as some persons say. As sponsor, we can see the DENIALS. Let's say ALL denials are approved at your own merchant account provider. Well I can tell you. Our denials are not even CLOSE to 30%.Questions?
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Originally posted by Eservices2k3I used to do tests like this frequently with sponsors. I send the same traffic to the same site, only difference is 1 is their merchant account, and the other is a 3rd party processor. I'd do tests for 1-2 weeks at a time...and the winner, every time, is my sponsor's merchant account. Usually it's not even close.
At the same time, I used to use some sponsors who had merchant accounts that performed the same as their 3rd party processor. Pick and choose your sponsors wisely and the difference is incredible.
the same traffic? You mean the same traffic? No wonder that they join the merchant account only, why should they join with the 3rd party processor again? ;)Last edited by body; 10-31-2005, 05:34 AM.Comment
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Do you ever wonder what % of traffic bails out when a different URL pop-ups to collect the info and the money? I always thought this was a flaw in the way our current system works.Originally posted by justsexxxFunny how a "merchant" acount gives 30% better results, as some persons say. As sponsor, we can see the DENIALS. Let's say ALL denials are approved at your own merchant account provider. Well I can tell you. Our denials are not even CLOSE to 30%.Comment
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Originally posted by rayadp05I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?Comment
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thank you..Originally posted by ZprogramzTry Fetishcash, Dating Gold, AFF, Eroticy, Sammysmack, Scorecash. They all do well for us and have their own merchant accounts.
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What do you mean? We operate our own paysite...Originally posted by slapassDo you ever wonder what % of traffic bails out when a different URL pop-ups to collect the info and the money? I always thought this was a flaw in the way our current system works.Questions?
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Last week was definitely slow on the content stores.
Affiliates don't sell and then they don't buy, finf one follows the other.Comment
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I'm just trying to help LOL do people care NO! they just bitch and continue to promote sites and sponsors that dont convert.Originally posted by MidgetGod you are shameless
Dont be lazy and try us out.. find out for yourself promote someone who has more experience in running paysites then 99% of the programs out there
Its not rocket sience to figure out why we convert its 9 years of experience
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