TGPs Using Gallery Links From Other TGPs - GoFuckYourself.com

Fletch XXX · 03-05-2002, 02:14 AM

Just curious, someone here or either at AWI mentioned a site "101lolitas" and how they were stealing gallery links and descriptions, well, just curious as to what the real deal is regarding this, I always though it wasn't cool to do...

I posted in regards to the guy who owns "101lolitas" selling his site on AWI <a href=http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013834>on this thread</a> and I asked him about the gallery links,... needless to say it has started a small flame, which will of course deter any positive outcome of the thread, and Im just curious is it cool to use links from a tgp on "your" tgp...?

wired1 · 03-05-2002, 02:40 AM

No!

The Hun and Several other TGP's have sued over it...

ZapMan · 03-05-2002, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wired1
No!

The Hun and Several other TGP's have sued over it...

No shit?

Can you give me a specific example?

Rod · 03-05-2002, 02:42 AM

I dont see why it isnt cool to use the LINKS to put on your soite....if you use your own description. What is wrong is to steal the description....

Stealing that means stealing the hard work of another webmaster,...

wired1 · 03-05-2002, 02:52 AM

http://screwthescrewers.com

Quote from the site;

"Some starting or even established link-sites get their content from other people's link-sites. In December 1999 The Hun of The Hun's Yellow Pages won a lawsuit against a company that was stealing links from these Yellow Pages. The president of the court decided a link-site is a database. And it is not legal to re-publish (parts of) a database in any shape or form (so not even with altered descriptions) without written permission of the owner of the database."

ZapMan · 03-05-2002, 02:55 AM

Interesting I used some galleries from the huns pages to test my new TGP but it was only like three. Hope I didn't piss anybody off. Probably not because I only get about 100 hits a day

ursella3 · 03-05-2002, 03:11 AM

I'd be pissed

Bake · 03-05-2002, 04:48 AM

I had a few guys who used to steal my gallery list one guy I tracked down and he endup posting some sponsors banners on his site with my code so he could use my list in the end.
Now I encourage people to use it I even make it very easy for them to so http://www.mickspics.com/frame/ I think if more tgp's used the same gallery lists it might cut down on free porn.

ldinternet · 03-05-2002, 05:30 AM

If its one of my galleries being used by someone else then I don't mind. Hell, I'm not going to shove the URLs in anyones face but I'd welcome anyone to link to my galleries or sites. Send me the traffic and I'll sell memberships to it. :D
If other tgps took galleries from my own tgps, then I wouldn't mind either. I don't link to other people so all the galleries are my own. ;)

If I had a list of other people's that I'd taken time to reivew, check the code of, check that all the movies (or pics) are working, etc... then I wouldn't be pleased.

LoveAsianChicks · 03-05-2002, 05:47 AM

It is illegal to copy someones gallery section and pass it off as your own. The owner has to review those galleries & some little shit comes along and does as "copy & paste" 2 minute job a day.

If the owner has some system setup for people to use their galleries, that is ok. If you don't have permission it is copyright violation.

Jakke PNG · 03-05-2002, 06:13 AM

I have no idea what the law says about this but MY common sense says this.

Copying a few links to fill your need, is ok. But if someone copies the entire list of daily-checked 200+ galleries it's not ok. The time to check for galleries is just too much to give out free.

From the gallery builder's point of view, the more he gets traffic the better, he/she shouldn't care where it comes from, if they're valid visitors.

Viper2K1 · 03-05-2002, 06:44 AM

As a TGP owner:
I hate it when people copy my links, with or without my descriptions ... I spend hours to review them and then and other guy just comes by to cut and paste

As a gallery submitter:
I hate it when my galleries are listed on sites that I haven't submitted too, if you're on a free host you probably don't mind, but in the past I've seen my link posted on many shitty chinese or japanese tgp's sending me tons of BS traffic that can't even read my ads and just burn my bandwidth before I can redirect them to a dialer

.

Mostly I find my galleries that are/were listed at thumbzilla on those pages ...

There are options to get a shitload of submissions to your site in a very short period ... just get yourself in the tgsw or RS database ... ok you'll have to weed out the bad ones (about 90%

)

RockDaddy · 03-05-2002, 07:59 AM

If a gallery has 3 or 4 recips, which tgp gets to claim "ownership"? Maybe tgp #1 doesn't want anyone using
links from his tgp, tgp owners 2,3 and/or 4 don't care. And.. who knows where you actually copied it from, and how could you "prove" otherwise.

Also, clean galleries are generally submitted to more than one tgp also. You can also go down the list of galleries at whatever tgp and email the gallery owners and ask them if they mind, or even if they would mind submitting to your tgp, tell them they can even submit the gallery with the other tgps links and not yours (since that's how it would be if you just copied it anyway)

RD

Kimmykim · 03-05-2002, 09:52 AM

If someone is taking the descriptions that the tgp owner or reviewers wrote and posting them verbatim as his own work, then it's a definite case of copyright infringement. IF however, the thief is wise enough to change enough of the page up that it can be called deritive work, it's not a violation.

Fletch XXX · 03-05-2002, 10:51 AM

My thoughts have always been, someone took the time to review gallery check for tricks n traps op ups redirects etc.... then some Tgp owner comes behind you and snags the gallery for their tgp.

Also, not to sound too cheap here, but the last thing I need is a bunch of shitty tgp owners snagging nice gallery for their shit traffic. So I ONLY submit my gallery to PK, then some lolita fuck comes snag it and sends all his traffic to my gallery, its not worth it to me.

Blah Blah Blah

CTRL>w

tayloryum · 03-05-2002, 11:00 AM

i don't like it when some b.s. tgp takes my gallery link from one of the major tgp's and posts it, particularly the tgps with the word "free" somewhere in their domain name. i tend to not post to any link sites or tgp's that have "free" in their domain name. the only way to avoid this from happening is to always post with recips.

ludwik · 03-05-2002, 12:54 PM

101lolitas is my site, i have some people for updating my sites

but.....

I didn't copy (they didn't copy) any of your descriptions, because i don't use any descriptions of my listings (just categories)

and i didn't copy your listings - never!

i just collect great links from many tgps

my sites are just link sites

so i can put there any link which i like!

i don't do anything illegal!

that'a all what can i say

whay you don't like many big tgps which collect gallery links too?

for example kellyxxx.com and pichunter.com
?

Guys!
You talking about big bullshit!

Fletch XXX · 03-05-2002, 01:18 PM

Ludwig, not that you care...

"""Unauthorized Copying of Assembled Links Constitutes Copyright Infringement

The copyright laws of the United States, codified at Title 17 of the U.S. Code, and as incorporated into the Berne Convention on Copyright, provide intellectual property protection to a wide variety of creative works. Obviously, these laws protect literary and artistic creations. But they also serve to offer legal protections to individuals who select and assemble pre-existing data or information in a collective or compendium fashion.

This assembled information or data can be presented in any number of forms. By way of example, telephone directories, travel guides, maps and encyclopedias are protected under the copyright laws; not because their authors have rights in the underlying facts which comprise the work, but because their efforts in the selective assembly of that underlying information created a useful and beneficial tool for public consumption which theretofore had been nonexistent or unavailable.

The same analysis holds true for web sites which select and assemble links to third party sites. The links themselves, as they merely represent a factual representation of the Internet addresses of pre-existing web sites, are not in and of themselves copyrightable. However, once a an individual (i.e., the link site webmaster) expends resources and intellectual effort to select and assemble links, his efforts are rewarded with intellectual property rights in the finished work - - in this case, the copyright which attaches to his "link site" creation. """

Steven W. Workman, Esq
WorldWeb-Law.com

Fletch XXX · 03-05-2002, 01:22 PM

Interesting side note:

I find it interesting that the Hun is using United States law to protect links that *some lead to beastiality. But thats another flame I mean <a href=http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51719>thread.</a>

ludwik · 03-05-2002, 01:29 PM

but what with sites such kellyxxx.com and pichunter.com???

why anybody didn't say nothing about this problem on these sites??????

so se spiders are thiefts too???????

because they steal links to other pages

and you can find in SearchEngines links to many galleries, many pages, and many xxx sites!

eroswebmaster · 03-05-2002, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Ludwig, not that you care...

"""Unauthorized Copying of Assembled Links Constitutes Copyright Infringement

I think the key words in this paragraph here might be "ASSEMBLED LINKS."

As in taken whole not part.

I would love to see someone try to sue a tgp over copying the url to 3 galleries that have no recip on them.

The plaintiff would have to prove that the link (s) were taken directly from their site. This would be difficult unless the gallery owner for example only submitted his 1 link to the hun and named it www.ydomain.com/hun/gallery.html I think you get the point.

Even if the gallery maker submitted his 1 url to someone like the hun, jeez you think that the courts are going to care about a couple of urls? I doubt it very seriously.

Once again I do believe it would be different to cut and paste a tgp's entire link table or large portion of it anyway...but not if you grabbed 1 or 2 from the hun, 1 or 2 from pk and so on.

03-05-2002, 02:55 AM	#6
ZapMan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 467	Interesting I used some galleries from the huns pages to test my new TGP but it was only like three. Hope I didn't piss anybody off. Probably not because I only get about 100 hits a day __________________ submit your sites to http://www.zap-man.com New Clean Galleries http://www.freesexpicsforyou.com

03-05-2002, 03:11 AM	#7
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03-05-2002, 04:48 AM	#8
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,372	I had a few guys who used to steal my gallery list one guy I tracked down and he endup posting some sponsors banners on his site with my code so he could use my list in the end. Now I encourage people to use it I even make it very easy for them to so http://www.mickspics.com/frame/ I think if more tgp's used the same gallery lists it might cut down on free porn. __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week

03-05-2002, 06:13 AM	#11
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I have no idea what the law says about this but MY common sense says this. Copying a few links to fill your need, is ok. But if someone copies the entire list of daily-checked 200+ galleries it's not ok. The time to check for galleries is just too much to give out free. From the gallery builder's point of view, the more he gets traffic the better, he/she shouldn't care where it comes from, if they're valid visitors. __________________ ..and I'm off.

03-05-2002, 06:44 AM	#12
Viper2K1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,006	As a TGP owner: I hate it when people copy my links, with or without my descriptions ... I spend hours to review them and then and other guy just comes by to cut and paste As a gallery submitter: I hate it when my galleries are listed on sites that I haven't submitted too, if you're on a free host you probably don't mind, but in the past I've seen my link posted on many shitty chinese or japanese tgp's sending me tons of BS traffic that can't even read my ads and just burn my bandwidth before I can redirect them to a dialer . Mostly I find my galleries that are/were listed at thumbzilla on those pages ... There are options to get a shitload of submissions to your site in a very short period ... just get yourself in the tgsw or RS database ... ok you'll have to weed out the bad ones (about 90% ) __________________ Spank me Dude, where's my traffic?

03-05-2002, 02:14 AM	#1
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	TGPs Using Gallery Links From Other TGPs Just curious, someone here or either at AWI mentioned a site "101lolitas" and how they were stealing gallery links and descriptions, well, just curious as to what the real deal is regarding this, I always though it wasn't cool to do... I posted in regards to the guy who owns "101lolitas" selling his site on AWI <a href=http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=013834>on this thread</a> and I asked him about the gallery links,... needless to say it has started a small flame, which will of course deter any positive outcome of the thread, and Im just curious is it cool to use links from a tgp on "your" tgp...? __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-05-2002, 02:40 AM	#2
wired1 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Posts: 279	No! The Hun and Several other TGP's have sued over it...

03-05-2002, 02:42 AM	#4
Rod Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MTL, QC, CAN Posts: 1,243	I dont see why it isnt cool to use the LINKS to put on your soite....if you use your own description. What is wrong is to steal the description.... Stealing that means stealing the hard work of another webmaster,...

03-05-2002, 02:52 AM	#5
wired1 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Posts: 279	http://screwthescrewers.com Quote from the site; "Some starting or even established link-sites get their content from other people's link-sites. In December 1999 The Hun of The Hun's Yellow Pages won a lawsuit against a company that was stealing links from these Yellow Pages. The president of the court decided a link-site is a database. And it is not legal to re-publish (parts of) a database in any shape or form (so not even with altered descriptions) without written permission of the owner of the database."

03-05-2002, 05:30 AM	#9
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	If its one of my galleries being used by someone else then I don't mind. Hell, I'm not going to shove the URLs in anyones face but I'd welcome anyone to link to my galleries or sites. Send me the traffic and I'll sell memberships to it. :D If other tgps took galleries from my own tgps, then I wouldn't mind either. I don't link to other people so all the galleries are my own. ;) If I had a list of other people's that I'd taken time to reivew, check the code of, check that all the movies (or pics) are working, etc... then I wouldn't be pleased.

03-05-2002, 05:47 AM	#10
LoveAsianChicks Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: -CANADA- Posts: 1,464	It is illegal to copy someones gallery section and pass it off as your own. The owner has to review those galleries & some little shit comes along and does as "copy & paste" 2 minute job a day. If the owner has some system setup for people to use their galleries, that is ok. If you don't have permission it is copyright violation.

03-05-2002, 07:59 AM	#13
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	If a gallery has 3 or 4 recips, which tgp gets to claim "ownership"? Maybe tgp #1 doesn't want anyone using links from his tgp, tgp owners 2,3 and/or 4 don't care. And.. who knows where you actually copied it from, and how could you "prove" otherwise. Also, clean galleries are generally submitted to more than one tgp also. You can also go down the list of galleries at whatever tgp and email the gallery owners and ask them if they mind, or even if they would mind submitting to your tgp, tell them they can even submit the gallery with the other tgps links and not yours (since that's how it would be if you just copied it anyway) RD

03-05-2002, 09:52 AM	#14
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	If someone is taking the descriptions that the tgp owner or reviewers wrote and posting them verbatim as his own work, then it's a definite case of copyright infringement. IF however, the thief is wise enough to change enough of the page up that it can be called deritive work, it's not a violation.

03-05-2002, 10:51 AM	#15
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	My thoughts have always been, someone took the time to review gallery check for tricks n traps op ups redirects etc.... then some Tgp owner comes behind you and snags the gallery for their tgp. Also, not to sound too cheap here, but the last thing I need is a bunch of shitty tgp owners snagging nice gallery for their shit traffic. So I ONLY submit my gallery to PK, then some lolita fuck comes snag it and sends all his traffic to my gallery, its not worth it to me. Blah Blah Blah CTRL>w __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-05-2002, 11:00 AM	#16
tayloryum Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 423	i don't like it when some b.s. tgp takes my gallery link from one of the major tgp's and posts it, particularly the tgps with the word "free" somewhere in their domain name. i tend to not post to any link sites or tgp's that have "free" in their domain name. the only way to avoid this from happening is to always post with recips. __________________ Free Live Web Cam Girls Content for Promotion These girls CONVERT LIKE CRAZY - do yourself a favor and sign-up today!

03-05-2002, 12:54 PM	#17
ludwik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 71	101lolitas is my site, i have some people for updating my sites but..... I didn't copy (they didn't copy) any of your descriptions, because i don't use any descriptions of my listings (just categories) and i didn't copy your listings - never! i just collect great links from many tgps my sites are just link sites so i can put there any link which i like! i don't do anything illegal! that'a all what can i say whay you don't like many big tgps which collect gallery links too? for example kellyxxx.com and pichunter.com ? Guys! You talking about big bullshit!

03-05-2002, 01:18 PM	#18
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Ludwig, not that you care... """Unauthorized Copying of Assembled Links Constitutes Copyright Infringement The copyright laws of the United States, codified at Title 17 of the U.S. Code, and as incorporated into the Berne Convention on Copyright, provide intellectual property protection to a wide variety of creative works. Obviously, these laws protect literary and artistic creations. But they also serve to offer legal protections to individuals who select and assemble pre-existing data or information in a collective or compendium fashion. This assembled information or data can be presented in any number of forms. By way of example, telephone directories, travel guides, maps and encyclopedias are protected under the copyright laws; not because their authors have rights in the underlying facts which comprise the work, but because their efforts in the selective assembly of that underlying information created a useful and beneficial tool for public consumption which theretofore had been nonexistent or unavailable. The same analysis holds true for web sites which select and assemble links to third party sites. The links themselves, as they merely represent a factual representation of the Internet addresses of pre-existing web sites, are not in and of themselves copyrightable. However, once a an individual (i.e., the link site webmaster) expends resources and intellectual effort to select and assemble links, his efforts are rewarded with intellectual property rights in the finished work - - in this case, the copyright which attaches to his "link site" creation. """ Steven W. Workman, Esq WorldWeb-Law.com __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-05-2002, 01:22 PM	#19
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Interesting side note: I find it interesting that the Hun is using United States law to protect links that some lead to beastiality. But thats another flame I mean <a href=http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51719>thread.</a> __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work* - About me

03-05-2002, 01:29 PM	#20
ludwik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 71	but what with sites such kellyxxx.com and pichunter.com??? why anybody didn't say nothing about this problem on these sites?????? so se spiders are thiefts too??????? because they steal links to other pages and you can find in SearchEngines links to many galleries, many pages, and many xxx sites!