Webmaster gets 6 months in jail for cam girl sex.

[Mr.Fiction]

This webmaster, TJay, has an interesting story. His story ending includes 6 months in jail, 6 months of work release, and 5 years of probation. He had sex with a 14 year old girl on live cam after she apparently showed a fake ID saying she was over 18.

The guy is an active member of one of the adult webmaster boards too. Anyone have any thoughts on his sentence? Fair, not fair?


Here is an article about his plea bargain:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...60 006&Ref=AR

Here is a recent interview with him:
http://www.theamateurvoice.com/interviews/tjay.html

Here is the webmaster board he posts about the case on:
http://chat.amateurmasters.com/publi...View.cgi?T=295

Big lesson here, I guess, is be careful about who you work with. Even he says he fucked up by working with the guys he was working with.

[Ted]

It's sorta like getting done for manslaughter, you didnt mean to kill anyone but you have to take responsability for it.

He didnt mean to shag a 14yo, but he has to take responsability for it.

[Theo]

he posts from jail now? i thought only boneprone managed to do it!

[Wizzo]

That's why my rule is, If I have to ask them for ID, they are to young...

[Maxxxine]

The guy should definately take responsibilty for what he did. Like you said, if you have to ask how old she is, she's too young. But the girl shouldn't get off scott free either. She should do some time in juvenile hall or some community service.

It's kind of like Traci Lords lying about her age, and then walking away leaving a legal mess behind for her unknowing employer. And she still benefits from using the name "Traci Lords" to this day. How fair is that? There are 2 guilty parties here.

[Fletch XXX]

Looks to me likie he "KNEW of 3 escort services" being ran by the company he worked for, he could have backed out then, and my only guess is since he knew they were running prostitution, he may have known her age?

Sucks, but its his fault. No one elses, and thats what he gets for it.

[Fletch XXX]

Wow, I just went to the Amateur Masters board and it seems they all support the guy, but they all say the same thing over and over, "Sorry that chick had a fake ID" or something towards that,

I think he is getting locked up for other reasons. Or additional reasons, the guy knew about underage prostitution? At least thats what he said in his interview....<a href=http://www.theamateurvoice.com/interviews/tjay.html>here.</a>

The guy admits to being hired to build sites for escorts but overlooks the prostitution, bangs some child then points the finger? hahahah

whatever.

[Ted]

Fletch make sure you read the stories properly before you post. That way you wont look so stupid when you comment on your assumptions.

[Fletch XXX]

DO NOT FUCK WITH TRACI LORDS

She is Traci Lords, no matter who made the movies or took her pics, She is Traci Lords and she still makes me hot. No leave her alone!!

[Fletch XXX]

There were no assumptions, and nothing I said was stupid aside from my recent fandom towards Traci, Im not going to get into some big war on this because its not my style, but hey maybe I missed something, I read he was hired to build for a company, got mixed up in whatever, and in the end the outcome was his arrest for fucking a 14 year old and finally his being jailed, I had nothing to do with it

Again, I say it sucks, but he's responsible. Not you or I.

back to work, good luck folks!

Dont dip ya spoon in the puddin till its done ;)


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Added: maybe he had the pics on his site "girlsifucked.com?" Who knows, If I wasnt in the courtroom, I dont know a damn thing, no matter who said what in ANY interview.

[Sleepy]

Providing all the facts are true...
He got screwed by the system. The penalties for using false I.D. should be entirely the burden of the user. When some kid fakes out a 80 year old man running a liquor store and the 80 year old man loses his business, thats just bullshit. And in this case where a girl who looks 20 fakes out a photog with false I.D. she should do the time for the underage sex and for using a false I.D.

Bernard Getz of the porn industry.

[Lev]

I totally agree with you Sleepy. Some fake ID's are done so professionally, that it is hard to tell if they are fake. The girl should be locked up, how the hell the guy knew that she was 14. That's why in Boston now for buying liquor they scan your licence, so there is no way of giving fake ones and this way the liquor store owner dont get in trouble for selling alcohol to minors.

[heymatty]

damn,

I read all of that, and without knowing more I can't make a decision on my opinion. Some of his statements make no sense.

I hated law school but the moralistic arguements were great, really challenging.

Its a pity I spent 3 years with 90% of my time studing Landlord & Tenant or Succession, total crap.

[gaby]

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[Sjayne]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
DO NOT FUCK WITH TRACI LORDS

She is Traci Lords, no matter who made the movies or took her pics, She is Traci Lords and she still makes me hot. No leave her alone!!

And she also screwed over this industy in a big way. Took everything she could from it and then turned her back and blamed them for what was her own fault. Not to mention selling out other people in the industry on her way out.

She may be hot but she made things much more difficult for all of us.

A few months ago there was very interesting show on British TV about her whole scandal. They pulled in some of the big names in the industry at the time and not one of them had anything positive to say. Even Tom Byron who was her lover at the time. He thinks he is sleeping with an adult and she turns out to be jailbait.

[Sjayne]

oh and I just went to her site. Amazing how in her profile - http://www.tracilords.com/bio/index.html - it doesn't mention her adult work once.

no respect.

[Fletch XXX]

I live in Hollywood and have seen this industry do its fair share of dirty things, for a girl to make it out and regret it is nothing new. I see it daily. I dont really care what Traci Lords did. Shes hot and that was my only point.

Everyone wants to argue about shit on msg boards, even Traci Lords LOL

[Maxxxine]

Originally posted by Sjayne
oh and I just went to her site. Amazing how in her profile - http://www.tracilords.com/bio/index.html - it doesn't mention her adult work once.

no respect.

No respect here either.

[bruce]

not a lot of gray area here

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2257.html

[tayloryum]

what gets me is that the girl's mom sounds like a complete dipshit:

'The mother of the teenage girl asked Judge Doneghy to impose a maximum sentence.

"This invasion of the Internet has changed our entire lives. As a mom, life is difficult. I love my daughter. What did I do wrong is the question I keep asking myself. What if I could have prevented this," she said.'

What is that all about, "with the invasion of the internet"? That's bullshit. Talk about passing the blame. Internet or not, when I was fourteen, there was absolutely no way I would have been out fucking 30 year old men on a webcam, or anywhere else for that matter. My parents for the most part knew what I was up to, aside from some minor things like making out with high school boys, some drinking, smoking a little pot, the usual adolescent stuff. How could this girl's mom have been so out of touch with her own daughter? It takes some major planning and conniving to get a fake i.d. at 14, and this girl is no "victim". I don't feel bad for the guy either. If a girl was sixteen and was trying to pass herself off as an 18 year old that is one thing, but 14? Come on! No 14-year-olds look 18, no way, I'm sorry, I don't buy that for a second.

[Sleepy]

"..Oh baby, that feels so good.. just let me quick scan your license while you initial that condom consent form..."

[cherrylula]

Even though ole Tracy might have her little house in the hills now days (probably a small condo lol), I'm sure the XXX industry has STILL made several times that amount from "Tracy Lords." It just pisses off pornographers cause they can't sell new pics of that ho, cuz she made it out the xxx biz. Nobody really gives a fuck, cuz there's plenty more where she came from.

Welcome to the jungle, baby.

[geoff]

if you want to read some good points on this goto post #61457 @ oprano_DOT_com/msgboard/index.php

[toga1]

HI all, this has been a very interesting story to follow. Lots of other side stories to it. Great baord you have here by the way.

I interviewed TJay yesterday and he was supposed to come on our radio show to present his side, another guest presented some facts he claims are from the DA in the jurisdiction where this all went down. I will be confirming the facts and publishing te complete story soon.

Look forward to posting here again soon

Chef Jeff
[email protected]

[kmanrox]

is that guy related to boneprone?

[Mr.Fiction]

That Oprano post is eye opening.

The reason this case originally caught my attention is because so many adult webmasters seemed to be very publicly supporting this person.

I believe very strongly in the First Amendment and in supporting people who are having their constitutional rights attacked (Larry Flynt, Max Hardcore, Phil Harvey, etc.) but this is a different kind of case.

This guy has admitted that he had sex with a 14 year old girl. I wonder how bad it might make adult webmasters, or the adult industry, look when we are seen as supporting a webmaster over a 14 year old girl who was, under the law, sexually abused.

Is there a point at which we cut someone loose because his side, no matter how unfortunate he might make it seem, leaves us all open for attack? We all complain about internet porn not being the same as c--ld porn, which it certainly is not, but then someone comes along and makes a terrible connection between our legal world and the dark illegal side for the media to blow out of proportion. Should we take a stand against this person to show that we really honestly don't tolerate this stuff, or do we try to defend someone because he was once a part of our industry? It's something to think about.

I think that the Oprano post, if it's true, shows that he was lucky he got off with only 6 months in prison. I'm sure more info will come out as time goes on.

[TaDoW]

I gotta say, this story scares the SHIT out of me.

So, I shoot amateur porn, and target girls between the ages of 18 and 22. What's to stop one of them from lying to me about her age?

I get photocopies of 2 pieces of ID (at least one must be state or federally issued), and have them sign a form saying that it is THEIR legal id and blah blah blah. what's to stop a girl from bullshitting on that form? now all of a sudden I'm a child pornographer just because this fucking 17 year old slut needed a few bucks? fuck off.. what's next? Birth Certificates and a mother's sig?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by TaDoW
I gotta say, this story scares the SHIT out of me.

So, I shoot amateur porn, and target girls between the ages of 18 and 22. What's to stop one of them from lying to me about her age?

I get photocopies of 2 pieces of ID (at least one must be state or federally issued), and have them sign a form saying that it is THEIR legal id and blah blah blah. what's to stop a girl from bullshitting on that form? now all of a sudden I'm a child pornographer just because this fucking 17 year old slut needed a few bucks? fuck off.. what's next? Birth Certificates and a mother's sig?

Valid point, but if you read the Oprano post, it says that he never got any sort of ID from her at all. If that is true, then you have to ask if the cops have been so hard on him if he had at least gotten the legally required paperwork, even if she had lied? I don't know.

[TaDoW]

ahh.. yeah .. if the guy didn't ask for id.. fuck him then =) hope he takes it up the pooper in the prison shower... rather WITH the prison shower.

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Valid point, but if you read the Oprano post, it says that he never got any sort of ID from her at all. If that is true, then you have to ask if the cops have been so hard on him if he had at least gotten the legally required paperwork, even if she had lied? I don't know.

I'm sure the legal paperwork, and photocopy of her license would do a good bit for your defense in court..

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by cherrylula
I'm sure the XXX industry has STILL made several times that amount from "Tracy Lords."

Actually, it cost the industy a huge amount of money. The warehouses of the newly envouge video tapes had to be cleared of every production that had her in it. That includes complilations and her own features. None of them could ever be sold as they were now kiddie porn. Not to mention the amount it cost the industy in legal fees.


Tell you, this is part of the reason I like the mature niche.

[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

On the subject of Traci Lords ... what has always bewildered me, is why the 33 adult films she DID do are still very readily available ... when leagally they are CHILD PORN ?!?

[Dawgy]

wow very interesting stuff. i too will be shooting content of 18-20 year olds in the near future, and its very scary. especially with guys (ill shoot gay content) becuase a 16 year old guy CAN look 18 easily.

wonder if it would in fact be a good idea to require a copy of the birth certificate as well as the standard 2 forms of ID? anyone can get their BC by going to the courthouse & paying 5 bucks... and it has an official seal... so would that eliminate the risk?

certainly a BC could be faked, but if it ever came to issue, SURELY any reasonable judge would realize that if someone faked a birth certificate and two forms of photo ID, that the model was at fault, not the photographer???

[NikKay]

No 14-year-old child is going to look or act 20 years old! This guy took advantage of this girl's stupidity and youth to get his rocks off, so I say let some prison boyfriend take the same. I am so sick of seeing the disrespect of women in this industry. If they(women) werent made to feel so ashamed and used, more would make it out happy and healthy. IMO, even 18 is too young to make a decision like having pornographic photos taken for online or print distribution.

[zubr]

Why would you shoot your own content?
Isnt there enough already?

[Forest]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
DO NOT FUCK WITH TRACI LORDS

She is Traci Lords, no matter who made the movies or took her pics, She is Traci Lords and she still makes me hot. No leave her alone!!

I kill the FOOL that messes with my girl Traci

She is the ONLY porn ive ever had the hottts for

[tayloryum]

traci lord's 33 videos are readily available? i thought all of her <18 videos were pulled from the shelves?

[WildWebAmateurs]

Originally posted by NikKay
No 14-year-old child is going to look or act 20 years old! This guy took advantage of this girl's stupidity and youth to get his rocks off, so I say let some prison boyfriend take the same. I am so sick of seeing the disrespect of women in this industry. If they(women) werent made to feel so ashamed and used, more would make it out happy and healthy. IMO, even 18 is too young to make a decision like having pornographic photos taken for online or print distribution.

NikKay, the point has been (validly in my opinion) made that this girl was a runaway; a drug addict and a prostitute. I imagine she was a lot older mentally than 14 because that lifestyle would do that to you.

However, having said that, not having photocopied ID is inexcusable. And what about AIDS tests certificates? In my opinion, "amateurs" need to emulate the video porn industry with regard to paperwork and legalities. Until they do, you're going to see more and more of this. :-/

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by TaDoW
I gotta say, this story scares the SHIT out of me.

So, I shoot amateur porn, and target girls between the ages of 18 and 22. What's to stop one of them from lying to me about her age?

I get photocopies of 2 pieces of ID (at least one must be state or federally issued), and have them sign a form saying that it is THEIR legal id and blah blah blah. what's to stop a girl from bullshitting on that form? now all of a sudden I'm a child pornographer just because this fucking 17 year old slut needed a few bucks? fuck off.. what's next? Birth Certificates and a mother's sig?

tadow, your first problem is to stop recruiting 300 yards down from a junior high (j/k)

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Wizzo
That's why my rule is, If I have to ask them for ID, they are to young...

Since a photographer in this industry has to keep records as a Federal requirement, I ask for ID even if the model is 99 years old. I rather suspect that in order to be convicted, the ID must have been fairly obviously doctored to the average person. But, I wasn't there at the trial.

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by kmanrox


tadow, your first problem is to stop recruiting 300 yards down from a junior high (j/k)

well.. if I wouldn't have been doing that, how could i have met you?!?! what were you doing with that 12 year old anyhow? her pants were way down next to her ankles...

[kmanrox]

that was my daughter shithead, and she had her gym pants down to her ankles changing for soccer practice you perv!!

shit .... you misinterpret everything.... i suppose you thought i was actually fucking those 3 black hookers i had in the back of the van that were calling me 'big daddy k-man' too, huh?

sigh

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by kmanrox
that was my daughter shithead, and she had her gym pants down to her ankles changing for soccer practice you perv!!

wait a sec ... she was bent over .. and had no underwear on?!?!

[kmanrox]

ummm... that was prolly skidmarks in her underwear that looked like something else from afar...

[TaDoW]

Originally posted by kmanrox
ummm... that was prolly skidmarks in her underwear that looked like something else from afar...

that's really rotten.
okay, maybe I was wrong ..
well, you and I have had a terrific love life ever since then, so I'm very glad we met that way!

[kmanrox]

yes, your healthy appetite for sex, make me soo hoe-nnnyyy

[TaDoW]

I suddenly realize how you seem to have gotten 100 posts a day for the past week..

[shunga]

I quote:

I think originally I was really pissed at her for lying, and my "partners/employers" for hanging me out to dry and jumping ship and I felt I was the victim here. I still feel i'm getting screwed but at the same time I can objectively stand back and say "you know what, I could have possibly done more to verify who she was before doing shows with her, I could have chosen my business associates better, I could have NOT been involved with people that owned escort services and were skirting the law anyway, I could have done a lot of things differently"

He was taught a hard lesson.

[Sjayne]

Originally posted by Dawgy
wow very interesting stuff. i too will be shooting content of 18-20 year olds in the near future, and its very scary. especially with guys (ill shoot gay content) becuase a 16 year old guy CAN look 18 easily.

And an 18 year old guy can look 16. I have found myself a couple times in the last few months staring at a twink site trying to decide if they really are the age the site says they are. Is there any money in the gay mature niche..more importantly where do I get the content?

[gregtx]

Nikkay... tell us what you really think

You can make a 14 yr old look 20... with clothing and make-up... take that away... and she's going to look 14...

Tjay even admits to never seing the "ID"
6 months for statutory rape???... not a bad deal IMHO...


greg