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02-28-2002, 04:11 AM
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Is it worth using exclusive pics?
I have a friend who runs a site that features only exclusive material. It costs him ten times more to produce than a site using non-exclusive pics from CDs or whatever, but he doesn't charge ten times more or get ten times more sign ups.
He's always trying to convince me that I should use exclusive stuff too, but I cannot see any value in it. Am I missing something? Is exclusive stuff worth having? |
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02-28-2002, 04:29 AM
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Exclusive content is better for smaller sites..reason is...can you afford $50-60K a month for content? That's what the major players spend (and I'm sure some spend more)...most can't (I know I can't) so we spend our money on exclusive content...this will should retention better if the content is good quality...you could always buy the same old tired stuff everyone else has, but what's the point? You want your site to stand out (esecpailly if it's not a "megasite"....
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02-28-2002, 06:02 AM
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When I started out I couldnt afford exclusive so I used content from very small producers. By doing that i got content that wasnt overused and it was almost exclusive. Now I buy all exclusive and it does make a difference. I also host for a few content providers now so I get exclusive pics for $0.40 each
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02-28-2002, 06:08 AM
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a paysite can retain members even with very small # of pics,if they are exclusive and from a very small niche. A very good friend of me prepares such one these days. Each photo of them is a masterpiece. I'm not getting in to any further details until is up
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02-28-2002, 08:36 AM
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no doubt quality of pics is integrated closely with retention rate.
in my opinion, a site with 2000 high quality pics would retain more members than a site with 10000 lower quality pics just there to fill the numbers ;) |
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02-28-2002, 08:57 AM
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its all good until you give away the free content
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02-28-2002, 10:01 AM
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It does not matter if it's exclusive or not.
The only thing that matters is does it keep your members member hard. Exclusive crap will not work, non-exclusive good content will. Club 17 only buy from professional photographers who rarely sell exclusive. Their site is full of our pictures, so exclusive does not work for them. The problem with selling an exclusive set is simple. We offered exclusive sets for $300 on 5 major boards and got 0 answers. Our sets sell 30 times at $30-50 then we "kill" it. So $300 is a fair price for us and the buyer. But with no takers, we ask what will the net pay for exclusive? You could end up buying stuff from someone over producing or pushed for sales. Then it's likely to be a girl he shot 10 sets of minimum. Whats exclusive about that. Or bad content. Simpler still, how many adult sites on the Internet? Do you really think they are going to find your set twice in the same year? Only if you buy from one of the 100 images for $10 merchants who selll it 100+ |
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02-28-2002, 01:02 PM
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Just read your post properly are you only paying $0.40 per image or are you giviing them free hosting as well. Then it costs a bit more, doesn't it. Tell them I will buy from them at that price. |
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02-28-2002, 01:04 PM
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we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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by all means, stay away from exclusive. don't waste your money ;)
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02-28-2002, 02:13 PM
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Suck it!
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02-28-2002, 02:22 PM
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02-28-2002, 03:01 PM
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quiet is using his reverse psychology again.
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02-28-2002, 06:19 PM
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I just didnt understand till it was too late. . . I should have followed quiet's lead |
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02-28-2002, 08:26 PM
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Take 2 'pictures' yourself and call it exclusive to your site....
...if all you're after is the 'sales pitch' on the front of the site LOL cuz basically they don't need to see someone only on your site to 'GET OFF" any hot chick, horse, guy, whatever can do that for them.... and getting the surfer to that 'get off' material is Job 1 ;)
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02-28-2002, 08:28 PM
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GFY Royality ;)
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Most site owners will tell you that when they use exclusive content their conversions and retention go up. Proven fact. I sell to many different companies, large and small and 90%+ of my business is exclusive sales. I ask for more than the $300.00 price tag that Charly mentioned (even though his prior sales pitch said $300-$400) and I get it because people know the value. The reason Charly did not get any positive response on the 5 webmaster boards is because he went in and spammed the joint as seen in this thread. Now, since he fell on his face, he is trying to steer you towards an area which he THINKS he can handle. I will also add that Charly's spams...I mean threads, were mostly targeting content providers to resell his images as non-exclusive. This offer was made because he wanted to make some quick cash. (Feel free to read his thread to see this) The clients who buy exclusive sets from me usually want an ongoing arrangement and his offer was an experiment with no promises of this. I think Sleepy hit the nail on the head in his first post where he said: "When I started out I couldnt afford exclusive so I used content from very small producers. By doing that i got content that wasnt overused and it was almost exclusive. Now I buy all exclusive and it does make a difference." Sleepy went on to mention a ridiculously low price of .40 per exclusive image. I understand that it is done because of other business arrangements so I congratulate him on this awesome deal but I offer a reality check to the others. Once again I would like to state that Charly does have awesome content. I am not trying to dog the man's business or his work. When Charly learns how the Internet works, he will be a damn good provider. Hey Charly, by all means, please continue with your frame of mind. I will be happy to take the exclusive business from you. Peace |
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02-28-2002, 08:50 PM
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hey charly, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer are ya?
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we'll miss you our friend. RIP
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02-28-2002, 10:06 PM
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Two of my customers are among the top "teen" and niche sites on the Internet. One of them buys exclusive of a girl from me and fills it in with nonexclusive material. He will typically buy everything I have of a girl in addition to 300 exclusive photos, which is why I love it when he likes a girl of whom I have like 38 nonexclusive sets available. The other guy is totally exclusive: won't show a pic unless he owns it lock, stock, and barrel. Both of these sites convert like gangbusters. Why? "Material found nowhere else."
Of course, Charly is right about one thing: Crappy exclusive content won't do much for retention. This is true UNLESS you are in a very under-served niche where it is nearly impossible to find content (e.g., girls rimming cats through a glory hole). Of course, Charly's problem is that his photos look like magazine photos (which they frequently were, I'm guessing). Anything stinking of magazine scan will drive a lot of surfers away. They've been burned by sites offering pirated newsgroup photos one or two times too many.
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02-28-2002, 10:28 PM
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As I've learned many times on the internet there is more than one way to make money. Some people have succeeded with no exclusive content at all. Some people have even made millions with no content at all!
But if you look at some of the biggest companies out there they have been buying up exclusive content since day one. These folks are not fools, they are the people sending out the checks each month. A few years ago, maybe 1998, they were willing to pay about $6 per pic for exclusive. This was not for resale, but just for their own paysites. I don't know what the going rate is today. I predict that HIGH-QUALITY exlcusive content (not crap) is going to be very important in the future. The number of sponsor programs and paysites has increased so much and they have a lot of the same non-exclusive content. There is a lot of competition and the way to stand out is to present something unique. Just look at the hottest paysite concepts right now and see what they are selling. |
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02-28-2002, 10:54 PM
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You got it. I love the "anybody know a sponsor with good free content"? guys. Just what you need: content 500 other webmasters are getting at the same time. Hmm. There's a marketing concept for you: "Content available everywhere else." Maybe you can be a big success without sticking your neck out, taking a risk or two, doing something a little different, and spending some money...but I wouldn't bet on it.
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02-28-2002, 11:00 PM
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in mah eyes it doesnt matter, i mean u take sum high dollar "lady" and take 10 exculsive pics of her and pay out the ass for em, make a lil chnage... or u take 1000 pics of the gutter whore in downtown, pay to feed her for a nite.. and make bank.
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03-01-2002, 03:27 AM
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In fairness to Charly, I must bump this thread so that I can be sure he sees it and is aware of what has been said. It is only right that he be allowed to respond.
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03-01-2002, 08:49 AM
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I know a guy who is a photog that does not sell his content. It is 100% exclusive to his site. He has about 200,000 exclusive photos online right now. Last time I looked at his numbers he was billing $1600.00 per hour. He has no reseller program and no trial memberships. You be the judge.
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03-01-2002, 11:39 AM
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I am totally inclined to both agree and disagree with the statement below. Exculsive content DOES sell. And sells VERY well. We have for the last 7 years in this industry provided our members with nothing but exclusive content. Never once have we bought content.
I think that people have gotten very tired of seeing the same people doing the same things on every newsgroup, and website they go too. I mean how much ORIGINAL and exclusive interracial, BBW, Foot fetish...etc content is there out there? Not much. Most of the sites we have seen are all the same recycled junk. Again not saying that it CAN'T sell, just saying that it is my beliefe that exclusive and original stuff sells just as well if not better than non exclusive. But that may just be me. Quote:
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