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Mr. Soul

Tell me one thing the Bush administration has done that would lead you to believe they are for less government. Saying they are doesn't count.


Dear God, you believe that the criminals in power support that right? You must be sleeping while the rest of us are paying attention. They had FEMA round up legally owned firearms in NO instead of saving people. I guess you only support the right to bear arms when the government says it's ok.


Yeah Bush really has that Mexican border on lockdown.


What terrorists is Bush fighting? Just because he's killing thousands of Arabs, doesn't mean they're terrorists. He's slaughtering innocent people in a country that didn't attack us while ignoring the real threat, Osama Bin Laden. How the fuck can you idiot republicans not be pissed off that your hero likes Osama being on the lose so he can use him to scare you? Seriously, turn off the TV set for five minutes and seriously thing about what's going on in the world.


Well, we all know where they stand on this issue.


Looks like you're not a republican after all. Congratulations.

Libertine

What exactly is a fiscal republican? Someone who tries his hardest to raise the deficit?
The days of Goldwater are long past. Republicans don't represent fiscal responsibility anymore. It's time people started noticing that.

You are mistaken when you assume that all Islamic fundamentalist scum are the same. The fundamentalist scum in power in Iran right now aren't very likely to attack the west. They aren't rabid militants, but rather power-hungry ultra-conservatives. They know that they would lose a war against the west, and wouldn't launch an attack unless forced to.

However, this is a moot point since even the most radical neocons with any political power at all are in no mind to attack Iran. Sure, they may talk big, but even they realize that invading Iran would be pure stupidity. The Irani people, for the most part, support their idiotic government, and would surely fight any invading force by any means possible.

In my opinion, it would be best to invade Iran and kill every last fundamentalist shithead in that whole crappy country, but that most certainly isn't going to happen any time soon. The only thing that could possibly happen is that if the Irani's get to close to achieving nuclear capability, a few airstrikes will set their efforts back a decade or two.

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Rob

Count me in! Republican all the way!

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WarChild

Tell your local PTA in a Democratic state you do porn, see what they say.

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colpanic

Sorry, I didn't say that very clearly. I agree with you, at least in terms of our current administration. I think GW is an asshole... I didn't vote for him, and I think he's pretty much worthless as a whole.

That may be true, but I really don't care about who's currently in power in Iran. They want nukes, even if they wouldn't use them themselves (right now), they could sell them to people around them who might. When countries who would finance terrorism, for whatever reason, want nukes.. I'm all for laying the smackdown.. (but again I agree with you.. some random bombings are probably plenty.. no need to invade)

Also, before anyone comes back saying not all islamic people are alike.. sure, thats true. I wouldn't want a nutjob christian having nukes either.

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Drake

From a purely economical standpoint it does make a lot of sense to me. Why do you think the government plays down economically motivated factors and instead plays up propaganda that its to "fight for our freedom"? Perhaps if they laid out the real reasons, they would even garner more support.

What do you think is the logic behind this?

Kard63

..... Chevy is in your name.... so even though you have been here for less than a month this post was not necessary..... we already knew you were trash.

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Nismo

Lest we forget - politics is about money & power.

At the end of the day, both Republicans & Democrats are going for money & power.

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spanky part 2

Here's what your great republican president has done to this country.

Looks like a half TRILLION dollar deficit.

"On Friday, Al Hubbard, chairman of Bush's National Economic Council, said the disaster costs - estimated at $200 billion and beyond - are "coming from the American taxpayer." He acknowledged the costs would swell the deficit - projected at $333 billion for the current year before Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast."

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8CLHTRG0.html

even the republicans are jumping ship now.

"It is inexcusable for the White House and Congress to not even make the effort to find at least some offsets to this new spending," said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla.

He should tax the fuck out of Haliburton and the oil companies to pay for the mess we are in. They are nothing but war profiters.

ChevyBalls

Say what?

The arabs are the ones killing themselves. In case you haven't noticed, the terrorists are the ones killing the innocent arabs in the name of Allah.

You know, like that car bomb that exploded while the army was handing out candy to little children. You should be directing your anger towards them.

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Mr. Soul

That's not true. Haliburton and Bechtel are now natural disaster profiteers as well.

ChevyBalls

LOL

Who is the one throwing insults because of differing opinions? I can handle different viewpoints, a shame that you cannnot

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jawanda

i know

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Mr. Soul

Oh yeah that "shock and awe" carpet bombing didn't kill anyone and had nothing to do with starting the fighting. Those crazy Arabs just like killing people! They kill for no reason!

ChevyBalls

Oh, and so since I am trash for my stance on the issues I posted, I guess you are the opposite:

Death Penalty?
Lower Taxes?
Less Government?
Right To Bear Arms?
Pro Life?
Strong Defense?
Affirmative Action?
Photo ID To Vote?
Tighter Border Security?
Judicial Activism?
Support War Against Terrorism?
Pro Adult Porn and Eroticism?

Fellow Americans, is this someone you would like running our Country? LOL

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jimthefiend

The logic is simple. Most people will have twinges of faux morality when told that we are fighting for money and comfort. It's easier to cover the whole endeavor with "patriotism". Wave the flag and they will stand in line to support you. Wave the dollar bill and although inside, EVERYONE agrees and is rooting for you, they will outwardly pretend to be against the whole thing.

At the end of the day we all know that money and power secure the safety of our own lifestyle. That's really what we ALL care about now isn't it?


There's no disputing this, or the fact that while we may feel a slight bit of empathy for the little brown people we are murdering in foreign lands we still maintain the philosphy of: Better them than me.


Rightfully so.






It's all just evolution in action. Survival of the fittest.

ChevyBalls

Uh...no.....

Their reason is to prevent democracy in the middle east. They are scared as shit that democracy might just spread on over to their country. Then they lose their current hold on power. So they try to scare the millions of good arabs by using terror tactics, but as shown in the last Iraq election, it just didn't work too good. They still turned out to vote, because they want freedom. What person wouldn't want to live in a free country where every person has basic human rights?

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Libertine

Sorry, but you're clueless. So much so that it isn't even worth arguing with you. I'll say one thing, however, and that's that it would be a good idea for you to research the different motivations and goals of the different factions in the middle east.

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ChevyBalls

Yea, you're right.

Iran, Syria, Eqypt, Saudi Arabia would all love to have democracy spread to their own countries. They are all about freedom and human rights! Equal rights for all!!!

And if you speak out against the leaders, they welcome free speech! They won't throw you in jail for it, or torture, they love free speech!

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jimthefiend

LOL


No offense at all. But after you spend a hundred years doing that then what?


You'll still be NO CLOSER at all to having a fucking clue what those people are thinking than you did today.

Come on.




They need an intervention.

Drake

Jim, I don't think I've ever read a more blatantly honest post with regard to politics. I agree with you except for the evolution and survival of the fittest part. I think it's pure chance that we're over here instead of being born as the brown people over there.

jawanda

Mr. Soul

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jimthefiend

LMAO


Well of COURSE it's pure chance man. I don't recall standing in a que in Dimension X and filling out paperwork r.e. what country or century or to which parents in what social strata I wanted to be born into.

Fucks sake, we're just animals man. Simple. We are just COMPLICATED animals. The urges and instincts are still extant in us. We're just more pretentious than my dog. I bet you a dollar he's happier than us.


Read this:

http://www.********************/articles/m2001.html




I stand by EVERY word of that.

ChevyBalls

I'm still waiting for you to answer:

What person wouldn't want to live in a free country where every person has basic human rights?

Maybe I'm just crazy for thinking that most normal people in the World want freedom. But maybe not, since the United States gets bombarded with illegal immigrants who risk their lives to come here on a consistent basis!

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Libertine

I said it wasn't worth arguing with you, and you just proved my point.

Iran: Shia theocracy
Syria: Sunni authoritarian government
Egypt: Machiavellian dictatorship
Saudi Arabia: conservative religious monarchy

...not to mention the fact that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are both allies of the US.

You should shut the fuck up about things you don't don't know jack shit about. It isn't as simple as "they hate freedom and democracy and will do anything they can to fight it". Even the biggest moron should understand that.

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Mr. Soul

It's hard to talk to you because you don't know what you're talking about but you think you do, I hope you can understand why people get frustrated trying to explain things to you.

You think this war has something to do with freedom, human rights, and democracy, that's what's giving me a headache.

Libertine

A lot of people don't see western capitalism and western culture as "freedom". Instead, they see it as corruption, fascism, racism, moral decay, etc. I'm fairly sure that many muslims in the middle east don't think about the US as "free" but instead as "corrupt" and "anti-muslim". What you see on Fox News is not what they believe.

Aside from that, the reason for most illegal immigrants to go to the US is wealth, not freedom. Wealth indeed is a good reason for many to change sides, but for many more lack of it is a cause for resentment - even those who might seek it out if they were able to.

And that is about as much time as I'm willing to waste on someone as uneducated as yourself.

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ChevyBalls

Sorry, you didn't prove anything. Except that you can't debate without throwing insults around! Must make you feel so manly.

Yea, you're probably right. Democracy in the Middle East is no threat to their current holds on power, since they already hold free and honest elections. And the people in those countries you listed have full human rights to all individuals. Including free speech!

It wouldn't take balls for someone in Iran to protest the government openly, now would it?

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jawanda

Chevyballs?



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ChevyBalls

I don't disagree with that. But how do those people get those viewpoints? State run media. There is no "free press" in a lot of those countries. The state run media feeds the people so called "information" on what they want their puppets to hear. Unless you are going to tell me that there is freedom of the press over there.

They also teach it in the schools from early on. I saw a recent palestinian version of Sesame Street. They asked a 6 year old little girl what she wanted to be when she grew up. She said she wanted to be a suicide bomber.

Why is there so much poverty in those oil rich countries? Is that the United States fault too? We buy their oil at record prices per barrel, and then take the money on back?

Yes, it would take major ChevyBalls to openly protest those governments

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Libertine

Talking with you is like trying to teach a brick the fundamentals of propositional logic...

You are missing the point entirely. No, most countries in the ME don't have democracy, and most violate human rights on a daily basis. Both those who side with the US and those who are against it. That is entirely true, and completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Educate yourself on these matters if you want to talk about them. Otherwise, you will look like as big a fool as you do now. Here's a little start for you:

There are many factions in the ME, all fighting for power. They all have their respective goals (dictatorship, Shia theocracy, Sunni dominance, a restoration of "traditional values", their own country, etc), and are willing to fight for them. Most of them hate the US, but most hate their local competitors just as much as they hate the west. Furthermore, most people in the ME don't support "western democracy". They're uneducated hicks like yourself, and have no clue as to what "the west" actually is. They believe the US secretly wants to kill all arabs and hand over the ME to the Israeli devils, and will fight any western influence by any means possible. Meanwhile, the common folk want peace, stability and prosperity, but they are by no means convinced that western-style democracy will bring that.

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Libertine

To say that the Arabs get their viewpoints from state run media is a gross oversimplification. They get their viewpoints from the media, true, but also from talk in the street, mosques, etc. Just look at the Arab countries where (fundamentalist) Islamist parties are banned from elections and still enjoy widespread support.

The west likes to believe that in democratic elections, the people in the middle east will vote for western-style governments. However, all the evidence so far suggests that they will show far greater support for religious and possibly fundamentalist parties.

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jimthefiend

Yet everyone is clamoring to get here. Don't bother arguing with that. It's fact.



THIS is what bothers me:


IF you are right, and I believe that you are actually. SURPRISE. I believe that's what they feel. It's all religiously spawned hatred now isnt it?

What they are doing is making a religious judgment and starting (pretty blatantly) a war.



So essentially they are bombing us because we dont respect their religions. Why don't we respect their religions? Because they dont respect ours. Why dont they...

etc


Etc, etc; and on and on.

scoreman

The #1 reason I was against Bush's re-election was that I fully believed that the winner of the 2004 election would be in a position to have up to three Supreme Court nominations. Look at the past history of the important cases that the Adult industry has won. The last COPA for example was a 5-4 vote. The changes that are happening in all Executive, Legislative and now Judicial branches of our government all are moving in unison towards extinguishing the rights of citizens who work in the adult industry.

The Republicans in here talk about war and wrap themselves in the patriotic belief that their elected government will protect their financial interests, and can justify invading a foreign country to do so. All the while, this same group of elected officials are placing people in the highest judicial positions and will be poised in the next 18-24 months to make decisions that could dramatically affect USA citizens who work in the Adult industry.

Its strange too, I am getting the feeling here that many of you who backed Bush did so because of some disconnected belief that by doing so you were watching out for your bankrolls in the form of taxes and limiting entitlements when in fact you should have voted Democrat to protect your livelihoods.

You wait until the decisions start coming down after Roberts and then SDO's replacement get to work. Iraq and entitlements will be long forgotten by you then.

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TheJimmy

Nice list, mine's very close with a few adjustments and 2 qualifiers:



Right To Bear Arms?
Affirmative Action?
Death Penalty? *** Only with DNA or physical evidence or credible multiple witnesses
Lower Taxes?
Less Government?
Pro Life?
Strong Defense?
Photo ID To Vote?
Tighter Border Security?
Judicial Activism?
Support War Against Terrorism? *** Run by CIA & Spec Ops, not fucking state wars against NON state entities!!!
Pro Adult Porn and Eroticism?


PS: I voted for Kerry last election, however I've been mainly a Republican voter over the past decade or so, based on a few issues, but am VERY pissed the general Republican party has been taken over by religious zealots! I consider myself an Independent now with leanings towards the Libertarian party.

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jim i hope youre kidding right? if not youre lost

dig420

First off, burn in hell. Anyone who would take a poor man's last dime to add to his already fat stack deserves no dimes. You may or may not one day grow wise enough to realize that your soul is worth something. It's enough to have enough, you don't have to have it all, and generally schemes you develop to get it all leave you with nothing in the end.

Much like Bush and Iraq. Halliburton is getting rich in the short term, but we the American public are paying billions for the military action, losing a lot of good productive young men, and we're creating an enemy that will hate us and plague us for 10 generations or more.

Why don't you tell me how killing these little brown people is adding to anyone's money and comfort except the oil industry?

cambaby

When a group of Democrats in Congress floated the idea of a whopping 25 percent tax on online porn last week, industry critics predictably pounced, calling the proposal unconstitutional. Legal issues aside, there's another possible roadblock: the religious right.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,68433,00.html

dig420

Let's pretend that we're all grown-ups here and that we all understand this:


"It's a good issue to trot out. I can go to people and say I'm fighting ... porn," said Christopher Mooney, professor of political science at the University of Illinois at Springfield. "Who's going to argue with that? It looks good, doesn't it?"

NO politician is going to come out and say they're on our side. No democrat, no republican. When a politician wants to set up a straw man, we're it. Along with welfare mothers and trial lawyers. The good thing that could come out of a tax is that once we're taxed, we're NOT going to be outlawed. We'll become a source of revenue.

You can pretend that you really believe that we as pornographers are under the same threat from the Democrats as we are from the party that wants to censor Huckleberry Finn and make school prayer mandatory, but you DON'T really believe it, because you and everyone else on god's green earth knows it isn't true.

jimthefiend

I hate to be the one to break it to you dipshit but they already do.

We've been fighting those people for 2 thousand years.

directfiesta

100 % accurate.

I tought the mighty US of A only existed for a few hundred years ...
Damn schooling system!

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Drake

One of the things that is frightening about this is that some day countries that we don't want to have nukes will have them. The knowledge is out there, the genie is out of the bottle so to speak. We didn't want North Korea to have it, but they do (perhaps we don't know if they actually do, but we're not going to tempt fate so we're giving them the benefit of the doubt). Our world continues to get smaller and knowledge more accessible.

When that day comes I think they'll use it. We've screwed these people for decades, I don't doubt they'd nuke us the minute they have the capability. When I say "us" I mean our government/policies. You and I as common men have very little say in such matters, but we benefit from our governments imperialistic triumphs, domination, and subordination of other people across the globe.

About 2 weeks before 9/11 I was having a discussion with a friend. We were talking about politics and the topic of terrorism came up. I shit you not, I said to him that the US has lots of enemies and although most terrorist attempts had failed to that date, their would come a day when they succeeded. It's a numbers game. If millions hate you, one or two will eventually succeed in inflicting pain no matter how much money you pore into security efforts. I thought it would have been 20 or 50 years down the road, but two weeks later news of hijacked planes smashing into buildings was all over the tv. I see the aqcuisition of nukes the same way and it's a scary thought.

jawanda

Nice slip there, Jim. Shows where you're really coming from, and that all of the "political" beliefs you've spewed in this thread really come down to one thing: fear.

Where does this fear come from? Sounds like it comes from your religion. And since Christianity is the ultimate fear-based religion, I'm going to go ahead and assume that you believe in Christ. So why even bother with this useless-ass 3 page "political" thread ... do what you know you want to do. I promise, you won't burn in hell for it, and it will feel good:





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jimthefiend

EVERYONE has been fighting with them. Jews, Christians, Catholics, Budhists, you name it.


And then to go on.... WESTERN CIVILIZATION has been fighting with them.

Quagmire

Uh huh. And it wasn't China who helped piss on the USA's Vietnam war efforts? Oh, I'm sorry.. it was a police action.

China would fuck you pathetic wanna-be Republicans up the ass the minute you turned your back.

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jimthefiend

You're a clueless fucking imbecile.


Why don't you rant a bit about how Japan is our enemy and is not to be trusted.

Or tell us how Germany wants to destroy us.



Or for that matter the Apache Nation.




I have a headache.

jimthefiend

Please go on you illiterate douche about how the United Kingdom wants to make us their bitches and tax us without representation.







China in the year ought five is NOT China of the year that The Breakfast Club came out. We won the Cold War. China saw us do it. As I've said at least twice in this thread: They are more intelligent than the Soviets were and won't repeat the mistakes that the U.S.S.R made.





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