Four Canadian ships heading to Gulf

[directfiesta]

foreign trash contributing to relief efforts ....

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia - Three Canadian warships and a coast guard vessel are being packed with relief supplies and will head toward Louisiana to aid hurricane relief efforts there, the defense minister said Friday.

The ships, which will carry 1,000 personnel, were to depart from Halifax on Tuesday and arrive in the Gulf area three or four days later.

Organizers of the mission, dubbed Operation Union, were still compiling a list of what is needed. They expect to provide humanitarian aid, along with divers and engineering expertise for reconstruction.

Three Sea King helicopters will also be sent to ferry personnel into the devastated areas.

"A coordinated response is being prepared," Defense Minister Bill Graham said. "We made it clear that if military assets are needed, we will make available whatever is requested."

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...s/12548217.htm

Let's hope that people down there can hold on .

[Doctor Dre]

The question is : Are the canadians gonna be there before the americans ?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

The question is : Are the canadians gonna be there before the americans ?

could very well be:

Second Navy ship to Gulf Coast

PENTAGON The U-S Navy Ship Mercy is being prepared to leave its home port of San Diego and head to the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast. The vessel is the second Navy hospital ship pressed into service for the Katrina disaster.
The Pentagon says the Mercy will leave California next Wednesday for the two-week trip to the region.

The Pentagon announcement comes amid growing criticism that the Bush administration has responded too slowly to the devastation. President Bush concedes the federal effort so far has been unacceptable.

As the Mercy mobilizes, other military personnel are flowing into Louisiana and Mississippi to help meet growing humanitarian needs

Anybody has that pic of our Canadian Navy ???

[directfiesta]

forgot the link for the doubters:

http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=3801613

[BradM]

Why are we giving them SHIT? They didn't help us during the intense fires in BC last year. Fuck them.

[Spunky]

Despite all the Canadian haters..we still do have a heart and care and try the best we can for such a small country of maybe 16 million

[pawsregd]

Originally Posted by BradM

Why are we giving them SHIT? They didn't help us during the intense fires in BC last year. Fuck them.

They have helped out in the past. I know during the ice storm here in Montreal and Quebec they sent quite a few guys and trucks to help restore power.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by spunky

Despite all the Canadian haters..we still do have a heart and care and try the best we can for such a small country of maybe 16 million

A country of 16 million? Did you pay attention in school at all?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by pawsregd

They have helped out in the past. I know during the ice storm here in Montreal and Quebec they sent quite a few guys and trucks to help restore power.

True. There is an agreement of " reciprocity " between Quebec and many northen states ... We send also equipment and manpower when needed ...

This is called collaboration, a word not in the " vocabulary " ( * cough * ) of Bush...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by WarChild

A country of 16 million? Did you pay attention in school at all?

Well, we tought you left, so down to 16 million

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Well, we tought you left, so down to 16 million

So you finally admit that one of me is roughly equal to about 16 million of you?

[porn-dog]

Originally Posted by WarChild

A country of 16 million? Did you pay attention in school at all?

LOL

[NoCarrier]

Originally Posted by WarChild

A country of 16 million? Did you pay attention in school at all?

It will be 16 million, soon.

The last estimate was 32.2 million people in Canada.

[Stacey_JoinRightNow]

Good luck to them!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by WarChild

So you finally admit that one of me is roughly equal to about 16 million of you?

no place for debate....

[VeriSexy]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

foreign trash contributing to relief efforts ....



Let's hope that people down there can hold on .

I thought Bush said he don't want help

[DaddyHalbucks]

Canadians are good people.

[Lance69]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Anybody has that pic of our Canadian Navy ???

Here ya go, this was my ship when I went to the Persian Gulf in '99. This class makes the bulk of the Canadian Navy.

[NetRodent]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Three Sea King helicopters will also be sent to ferry personnel into the devastated areas.

Three Sea Kings sound more like a declaration of war.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by NetRodent

Three Sea Kings sound more like a declaration of war.

Aren't Seaking helicopters the ancient ones that crash all the time?

[NetRodent]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Aren't Seaking helicopters the ancient ones that crash all the time?

Exactly.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by WarChild

A country of 16 million? Did you pay attention in school at all?

It was a long time ago...OK so my numbers are a little off..I don't count the East Indian, Asian population

[SmokeyTheBear]

They have also senta few cargo planes full of gear and set aside oil for the usa.

I'm sure bush will forget all about canada again within months.. Canada who ?


An interesting note though.. The american embassy in canada, usually covered in flowers during an american tragedy had ONE lone set of flowers after 5 days..

[MetroPornTour]

How about we just pick up everyone we can and bring them back to Canada. They would be grateful to find out that Canadians don't practice class-ism or racial prejudice that when another american waves that damn flag they will shove it up his ass.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by MetroPornTour

They would be grateful to find out that Canadians don't practice class-ism or racial prejudice

No, no, of course those things don't ever happen in Canada. It's strictly an American thing.

Originally Posted by spunky

It was a long time ago...OK so my numbers are a little off..I don't count the East Indian, Asian population

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by spunky

It was a long time ago...OK so my numbers are a little off..I don't count the East Indian, Asian population

Canada hasn't had a population that small since the 1950's.

[The Truth Hurts]

how could anyone hate Canada?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

how could anyone hate Canada?

Maybe they lived there and had to pay Canadian taxes?

[rambler]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Canada hasn't had a population that small since the 1950's.

I think Spunky's been

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

They have also senta few cargo planes full of gear and set aside oil for the usa.

I'm sure bush will forget all about canada again within months.. Canada who ?


An interesting note though.. The american embassy in canada, usually covered in flowers during an american tragedy had ONE lone set of flowers after 5 days..

Funny you should mention that... I was in CostCo today, picking up some steaks for a little long weekend BBQ action. At the teller there was a sign saying that Red Cross accepted donations there. So we say we want to add a donation to the RC on our bill, and our teller had no clue how to do that. While we waited for the floor manager to come by and give her the details, she commented that noone else had asked her about it yet and wondered why.

The guy in line behind us quipped "Maybe they SHOULD have thanked a brother."

Now most americans probably have no clue about what that means, but I suspect most every canuck near a TV immediately after 9-11 knows all too well. People here have long memories (particularly in Halifax, where the bulk of the 'refugees' ended up being deplaned and housed), and having been snubbed despite heroic efforts in the aftermath of a tragedy aren't quick to repeat it... once bitten twice shy, I suppose.

Doesn't help that they're too embarassed / prideful to accept international help until its far too late. DART and other relief workers were ready within 24-48 hours to go down and start saving lives. I'm not sure if DART even now has been allowed into the zone, and they'd probably be the most immediately helpful boots on the ground (50,000l of fresh water a day would go a long way to ease the suffering of a lot of poor people in 120 degree weather).

I still donated though. The peeps in NOLA have nothing to do with Bush being a fuckwit or his administration's dearth of morality. Large portions of the blood collected on 9-11 was never used, and I can't see getting spiked being at all useful this time around so I'll just keep tossing the odd bill in the kitty and hope it finds its way to people who need it the most.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by rickholio

Funny you should mention that... I was in CostCo today, picking up some steaks for a little long weekend BBQ action. At the teller there was a sign saying that Red Cross accepted donations there. So we say we want to add a donation to the RC on our bill, and our teller had no clue how to do that. While we waited for the floor manager to come by and give her the details, she commented that noone else had asked her about it yet and wondered why.

The guy in line behind us quipped "Maybe they SHOULD have thanked a brother."

Now most americans probably have no clue about what that means, but I suspect most every canuck near a TV immediately after 9-11 knows all too well. People here have long memories (particularly in Halifax, where the bulk of the 'refugees' ended up being deplaned and housed), and having been snubbed despite heroic efforts in the aftermath of a tragedy aren't quick to repeat it... once bitten twice shy, I suppose.

Doesn't help that they're too embarassed / prideful to accept international help until its far too late. DART and other relief workers were ready within 24-48 hours to go down and start saving lives. I'm not sure if DART even now has been allowed into the zone, and they'd probably be the most immediately helpful boots on the ground (50,000l of fresh water a day would go a long way to ease the suffering of a lot of poor people in 120 degree weather).

I still donated though. The peeps in NOLA have nothing to do with Bush being a fuckwit or his administration's dearth of morality. Large portions of the blood collected on 9-11 was never used, and I can't see getting spiked being at all useful this time around so I'll just keep tossing the odd bill in the kitty and hope it finds its way to people who need it the most.

great post.. i agree. I donate for almost everything , but from day one , i knew donations weren't going to make any difference.

They prob had over a billion dollars donated by day 2 yet they somehow can't get rig's filled with supplies to N.O.

Directnic can get huge drums of diesel delivered, yet within miles people are dying from dehydration from no water..

The moment katrina hit , they could have simply called up wal-mart and paid for 1 truck from every wal-mart store within 2 states to drive straight to n.o. with supplies.. They would have had MORE than enough stuff in less than 18 hours. A rig parked at every 4 block area in the whole city filled with supplies.

Even more foolish is the complete failure of the police to stay connected with eachother.

They had absolutely no plan for what to do when the power/water/phones all go out at every police station in the city.

Whoever heads the police in n.o. should be fired right off the bat.

[kmanrox]

4 ships? Why would they send their entire fleet on a rescue mission? i dont get it

[Webby]

Originally Posted by kmanrox

4 ships? Why would they send their entire fleet on a rescue mission? i dont get it

Because even one ship is probably more than the Pentagon is sending and every single ship will help. And.. the Canadians ain't alone in this.

By the time the Pentagon has the papers shuffled to allow their own citizens on board any US naval vessel as a "contained refugee" who may be starving to death, have dysentery and typhus - ya might have to wait eight months for "clearance".

[kmanrox]

Originally Posted by Webby

Because even one ship is probably more than the Pentagon is sending and every single ship will help. And.. the Canadians ain't alone in this.

By the time the Pentagon has the papers shuffled to allow their own citizens on board any US naval vessel as a "contained refugee" who may be starving to death, have dysentery and typhus - ya might have to wait eight months for "clearance".

good point... i was just taking this opportunity to take a cheap shot at Canada though, so I didnt really have a point in the first place.

[SilverTab]

Originally Posted by Webby

Because even one ship is probably more than the Pentagon is sending and every single ship will help. And.. the Canadians ain't alone in this.

By the time the Pentagon has the papers shuffled to allow their own citizens on board any US naval vessel as a "contained refugee" who may be starving to death, have dysentery and typhus - ya might have to wait eight months for "clearance".

seems like, to all the "Canada is sending help" threads, there are only 2 answers comming out... "The USA can take care of itself, we don't need you" and now "It's not enough!"

how nice!...

[Webby]

Originally Posted by kmanrox

good point... i was just taking this opportunity to take a cheap shot at Canada though, so I didnt really have a point in the first place.

I never had a point either!! It was just another "country sniping" thread!

[SilverTab]

Originally Posted by kmanrox

good point... i was just taking this opportunity to take a cheap shot at Canada though, so I didnt really have a point in the first place.

ok..I have to admit this was actually funny

[kmanrox]

Originally Posted by SilverTab

ok..I have to admit this was actually funny

im a barrel of laughs, where you been ?

[SilverTab]

Originally Posted by kmanrox

im a barrel of laughs, where you been ?

hehe well, i was always around...sometimes posting more than others..but as you can see by my postcount, never was a big poster hehe...

I try to keep it sloooow but constant :P

and of course...still coding...

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by spunky

Despite all the Canadian haters..we still do have a heart and care and try the best we can for such a small country of maybe 16 million

At this rate, the population of Canada will reach 32233955 by July 1st, 2005

I already told you that yesterday you uneduqued motherfucker ... 16 millions my ass lol

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by spunky

It was a long time ago...OK so my numbers are a little off..I don't count the East Indian, Asian population

Sorry for the bashing . nothing personal lol

[Ninja Scripts]

Originally Posted by MetroPornTour

How about we just pick up everyone we can and bring them back to Canada. They would be grateful to find out that Canadians don't practice class-ism or racial prejudice that when another american waves that damn flag they will shove it up his ass.

And canadians would soon find out what it's like to have a neighbor that would rape your wife or daughter and shoot you in the face to take $20. Take them please.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

They have also senta few cargo planes full of gear and set aside oil for the usa.

I'm sure bush will forget all about canada again within months.. Canada who ?


An interesting note though.. The american embassy in canada, usually covered in flowers during an american tragedy had ONE lone set of flowers after 5 days..

ROFLMAO ... I haven't thought about it ... I go arround there often . I should have realized it by now ... been like 3 times I went since it happened

[stev0]

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

I thought Bush said he don't want help

I'm sure the people in need of help appretiate that...

[The Sultan Of Smut]

I hope our Sea King crews don't need rescuing...

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut

I hope our Sea King crews don't need rescuing...

For all the smack talk about Sea King helicopters, it should be pointed out that the chopper Bush uses, aka Marine One, is a sea king (or, rather, a variant of the same family).

Some people have bugs up their asses about the sea king choppers thinking they're old and useless. The real problem is that funding is slacking and they're not being maintained as well as they should be, particularly the ones in heavy rotation over the unforgiving seas of the north atlantic.

Toss some cash at those choppers and they'll be kings of the roost again. People shouldn't believe everything they hear, particularly if certain political partisans want the phrase "Aging Sea Kings" to be part of the political landscape in a futile attempt to do something, ANYTHING to get their regional shitpot crossburner party some traction outside of Sisterfuckville, Alberta.

[The Sultan Of Smut]

Originally Posted by rickholio

For all the smack talk about Sea King helicopters, it should be pointed out that the chopper Bush uses, aka Marine One, is a sea king (or, rather, a variant of the same family).

Some people have bugs up their asses about the sea king choppers thinking they're old and useless. The real problem is that funding is slacking and they're not being maintained as well as they should be, particularly the ones in heavy rotation over the unforgiving seas of the north atlantic.

Toss some cash at those choppers and they'll be kings of the roost again. People shouldn't believe everything they hear, particularly if certain political partisans want the phrase "Aging Sea Kings" to be part of the political landscape in a futile attempt to do something, ANYTHING to get their regional shitpot crossburner party some traction outside of Sisterfuckville, Alberta.

We don't have our soldiers using 40 year old rifles so why do we have our pilots using 40 year old helicopters that are far more complex?

[Lance69]

Blame the whole Sea King bullshit on Chretien and his Liberals (And I'm a Liberal btw) who cost the Gov half a billion dollars to cancel the contract and took em ten damn years to get a new one! I've done operations in the Sea Kings and in thier prime they were awesome! But thier prime was 20-30 years ago. You beat the hell out of any vehicle that long and it'll need replacement.

But the blame lies on the apathy of the Canadian public towards the military. If it wasn't for polititians pandering for votes with greenpeace loving hippys we would not be putting our forces in unnessecary danger from our own equipment. The majority of people still believe in the "It won't happen to us" mentality. As much as I dissapprove of blind ignorant patriotism, I admire the American "Support our Troops" policy.
This is a democracy, it is up to the people to make the changes happen!

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut

We don't have our soldiers using 40 year old rifles so why do we have our pilots using 40 year old helicopters that are far more complex?

Oh really?

Perhaps you should do some research on the Armalite AR-15 series. The standard issue C-7 is just a variant on the AR-15. It's a design that's been around for close to 50 years.

And keep in mind that these helicopters have so many things replaced on them so often that you're basically dealing with a full-unit replacement after a while, with the possible exception of the chassis.

Now don't get me wrong... there are better models out there and we would do well in obtaining them. What bugs me is this universal condemnation of what could perfectly viable aircraft (with appropriate funding and maintenance) that is still in successful and high-profile usage around the world based on little more than political sniping and partisan sound-bytes.

[rickholio]

Originally Posted by Lance69

Blame the whole Sea King bullshit on Chretien and his Liberals (And I'm a Liberal btw) who cost the Gov half a billion dollars to cancel the contract and took em ten damn years to get a new one!

Thanks for illustrating the point I was trying to make... the problem was less that of the SKs themselves and more of all the political bullshit swirling around them. That and the lack of funding.

I remember thinking at the time, "What a huge fucking waste of money. They could have rebuilt half the kings from the ground up with that cash, and had some left over for beer for the maintenance crews."

I've done operations in the Sea Kings and in thier prime they were awesome! But thier prime was 20-30 years ago. You beat the hell out of any vehicle that long and it'll need replacement.

I'm told that the north atlantic is particularly brutal (the salt gets into everything and rips it to shit). Where did you fly out of?

But the blame lies on the apathy of the Canadian public towards the military. If it wasn't for polititians pandering for votes with greenpeace loving hippys we would not be putting our forces in unnessecary danger from our own equipment. The majority of people still believe in the "It won't happen to us" mentality. As much as I dissapprove of blind ignorant patriotism, I admire the American "Support our Troops" policy.

I don't see apathy towards the millitary from the public viewpoint. Air shows, Tattoo and so forth are always well attended and enjoyed by all. There is certainly less bloodthirst, but that's because we, as a general rule, abhour senseless violence. We're all for sensible violence, though.

There was a period of time (post somalia) where things definately took a turn for the worse though. Hard days for the forces.

And honestly, there may be an element of 'antiharperism' in there. Harper beats beats beats on the drum All. The. Time. Can't get him to shut up about it, which is part of the reason why he is so often associated with american attitudes and so many people think that anything harper suggests must be a bad thing.... and largely they'd be correct, but not all the time.