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buster · 02-14-2002, 11:50 PM

i did not know this about ibill . i called them today regarding there constant problems with cmi and i was asking my rep. all kinds of ? one ? was when do they think they will have this problem solved with cmi they said most likely 2 weeks but be prepared for a month. the the other ? was regarding the donation for the child fund witch i have no problem with just wanted to know if the box should be prechecked. they told me that was not going to change and it was to my best benifit becuase they turn a list of all adult sites into the fbi on a monthly bases that they proccess for. thought that was pretty interesting i had never heard that before. the other ? was regarding the new box of terms on the page i said to them know that you made the box bigger and very noticable would that cut down on refunds from people that claim they did not know they were gonna get rebilled in 5 days .they said nooo so i say why the fuck make it bigger if it does not fucking matter i really am starting to think they do not want adult web masters.

[Labret] · 02-14-2002, 11:55 PM

I find that very disturbing.

Is it just a list of URL's or all client information?

Fire · 02-14-2002, 11:57 PM

So J. Edgar Hoover still has his fingers in everyone's business???

buster · 02-15-2002, 12:12 AM

im not sure if its our info or just urls has anyone ever heard of this practice is it with all billing co.?

[Labret] · 02-15-2002, 12:18 AM

KimmyKim, does CCBill report webmaster info to the Feds?

Theo · 02-15-2002, 12:21 AM

Never heard of such thing. I don't like this 3 word organization that is responsible for various reasons, but it doesn't sound bad. We bitch about online crimes all the time, this kind of monitoring can pretend many of them. So it's not that bad. Ibill seems to process CCs at full speed now without any problem. Something tells me that will take couple of months to see people complaining again (which happens with everything).

[Labret] · 02-15-2002, 12:24 AM

You are in Greece, why the hell would you care?

bhutocracy · 02-15-2002, 12:27 AM

hehehehheh yeah right..

nice try at creating the illusion of guilt ibill...
i wonder if they take a cut of the processing fee for the charity.

like some FBI geek is going to be sifting through the url's and take the lack of a donation box as proof you're in need of investigation - or anything else that can be derived from an all encompassing term like "best interests"
give me a break.. tell him to smoke cock. so fucking what if some FBI dude has his expectations of a PORNOGRAPHY MERCHANT lowered a little.. it's not a fucking criminal offence..
don't be bullied.. go elsewhere

quiet · 02-15-2002, 12:33 AM

damn that's fucked up.

Gary · 02-15-2002, 12:35 AM

I was wondering why that plumbing truck has been parked across the street for last couple weeks.

SykkBoy · 02-15-2002, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
I was wondering why that plumbing truck has been parked across the street for last couple weeks.

that's the SGP

the Secret Goat Police...they're on to you Gary...your days of molesting you goats is over...

Theo · 02-15-2002, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
You are in Greece, why the hell would you care?

i'm collector of the following type of articles:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,41878,00.html

playa · 02-15-2002, 01:11 AM

prechecked boxes are not cool,,,,,

TheFLY · 02-15-2002, 01:36 AM

If I was working for the FBI -- I'd want to investigate porn too!

vegasdude · 02-15-2002, 02:17 AM

does that mean I can call myself an FBI agent..... I mean I must be a fucking supercop cuz I investigate porn everyday.....

tradermcduck · 02-15-2002, 05:28 AM

@ buster

Are only pay sites they process for reported to the FBI, or are the affiliates of these sites reported to the FBI, too???

Thanks for answering!

Jakke PNG · 02-15-2002, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tradermcduck
@ buster

Are only pay sites they process for reported to the FBI, or are the affiliates of these sites reported to the FBI, too???

Thanks for answering!

Got sumthin to hide?

Theo · 02-15-2002, 06:44 AM

codecrawler · 02-15-2002, 07:00 AM

I am wondering if that by itself is legal under US law?

I mean I know Dutch law has some differences but over here it would be, because information of companies that are not accused of anything, and have given no real cause for suspicion.

Have their info turned over to a law and government organisation.

Should a Dutch company do that we would have grounds to file a case against them.

Wondering if US law works teh same way?

CC

tradermcduck · 02-15-2002, 07:10 AM

@ TeenGodFather

Definitely nothing to hide here :-)

But I find it strange that Ibill reports their customers to the FBI!

What's your opinion concerning this issue?

Ludedude · 02-15-2002, 09:50 AM

HAHAH....another fucking beauty.

They'll never give you details about what they report to the FBI. I'm fucking amazed that one of their reps actually said that to you...I bet if his/her name got out, they'd lose their job.

It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not, the breech in privacy is unacceptable. We don't live in a police state...or do we?

tradermcduck · 02-15-2002, 10:06 AM

I always thought the U.S. are a free country with strong civil rights :-(

Theo · 02-15-2002, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tradermcduck
I always thought the U.S. are a free country with strong civil rights :-(

wrong movies ;) next time see "and justice for all"

Maximus · 02-15-2002, 11:07 AM

hey buster,

Maybe this will help.

Im not sure if they are giving the list to the FBI but I would almost gaurantee they are giving it to there acquiring bank and Visa.

Last week aggregators like ourselves received notice that all sites have got to be reviewed by acquirers and visa. We now have to send all sites to be okd by our bank. Just a formality really to assure not TMF'd accounts hide under the aggregator sheild.

Also we received notice to contact the FBI in the event child porn sites were discovered. They gave us numbers and names of detectives to contact. Perhaps the message you received was a mix of both.

payrollpete · 02-15-2002, 11:13 AM

IBILL Looks like it is going down the tubes with most people...

sad, they have been around a long time.

oh well, they can join DMR in the hole ;)

Timothy · 02-15-2002, 11:32 AM

Oh no.
I'm afraid if it's true. If this is just a rumor, Kimmy must join this thread..... Is this means we were reported from both ibill and ccbill?

Amputate Your Head · 02-15-2002, 11:39 AM

The lesson here is never never ever give out information that you DON'T want the world to know. If you seriously want to protect your identity, there are ways to do it, but it requires proper filtering and that means some work on your part. If you give out your name and address to someone.... ANYONE... expect that it is no longer private. Privacy policies are nice and they make us feel good.... but if you want true security, trust no one.

The Other Steve · 02-15-2002, 12:56 PM

Why worry about Ibill - if the FBI or any other body like that wants to start checking on adult webmasters all they have to do is come to the adult boards.

Most of us give out all sorts of personal info on these boards and they're open to everyone to read.

If people can harvest our email addresses off boards like this then there is nothing to stop them getting other information as well.

Brad Mitchell · 02-15-2002, 01:44 PM

Can someone post a link to one of these IBILL signup pages with a charity donation piece?? Thanks!!!

Brad

NETbilling · 02-15-2002, 01:56 PM

Guys,

I'm sure Ibill will do just fine. Unlike some of the previous thrid party processors that went under, Ibill is strong financially and has a huge customer base including many mainstream merchant s as well. They have been doing this for a long time.

Mitch

Kimmykim · 02-15-2002, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
I was wondering why that plumbing truck has been parked across the street for last couple weeks.

That's the freaking plumbers trying to get into the house Gary. Open the door and let them in. ;)

Labret, I'm not sure why we would report anyone to the FBI.

Since we also are Cavecreek webhosting, we have the Customs agent assigned to cp in our office about once a month. We go thru any sites that have received complaints about content, either for Cavecreek or CCBill, and get her opinion on them. She's been doing this for years with us, and as far as we are concerned it's a good thing.

For some time now, Customs and the FBI have been fighting over jurisdiction of cp, perhaps IBill has the same sort of arrangement with an FBI agent that we do.

I can't honestly think of any other reason they would be talking to them, unless it's about fraudulent sites -- ie people with stolen cc's coming in, etc. We've had to report a few people over the years for stuff like that, but not our entire client list by any means.

02-14-2002, 11:50 PM	#1
buster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 459	ibill reports us to the fbi once a month i did not know this about ibill . i called them today regarding there constant problems with cmi and i was asking my rep. all kinds of ? one ? was when do they think they will have this problem solved with cmi they said most likely 2 weeks but be prepared for a month. the the other ? was regarding the donation for the child fund witch i have no problem with just wanted to know if the box should be prechecked. they told me that was not going to change and it was to my best benifit becuase they turn a list of all adult sites into the fbi on a monthly bases that they proccess for. thought that was pretty interesting i had never heard that before. the other ? was regarding the new box of terms on the page i said to them know that you made the box bigger and very noticable would that cut down on refunds from people that claim they did not know they were gonna get rebilled in 5 days .they said nooo so i say why the fuck make it bigger if it does not fucking matter i really am starting to think they do not want adult web masters.

02-14-2002, 11:55 PM	#2
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	I find that very disturbing. Is it just a list of URL's or all client information? Last edited by [Labret]; 02-15-2002 at 12:00 AM..

02-15-2002, 12:21 AM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Never heard of such thing. I don't like this 3 word organization that is responsible for various reasons, but it doesn't sound bad. We bitch about online crimes all the time, this kind of monitoring can pretend many of them. So it's not that bad. Ibill seems to process CCs at full speed now without any problem. Something tells me that will take couple of months to see people complaining again (which happens with everything). Last edited by Theo; 02-15-2002 at 12:23 AM..

02-15-2002, 12:35 AM	#10
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	I was wondering why that plumbing truck has been parked across the street for last couple weeks. __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

02-15-2002, 06:44 AM	#18
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	lol

02-14-2002, 11:57 PM	#3
Fire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 486	So J. Edgar Hoover still has his fingers in everyone's business???

02-15-2002, 12:12 AM	#4
buster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 459	im not sure if its our info or just urls has anyone ever heard of this practice is it with all billing co.?

02-15-2002, 12:18 AM	#5
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	KimmyKim, does CCBill report webmaster info to the Feds?

02-15-2002, 12:24 AM	#7
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	You are in Greece, why the hell would you care?

02-15-2002, 12:27 AM	#8
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	hehehehheh yeah right.. nice try at creating the illusion of guilt ibill... i wonder if they take a cut of the processing fee for the charity. like some FBI geek is going to be sifting through the url's and take the lack of a donation box as proof you're in need of investigation - or anything else that can be derived from an all encompassing term like "best interests" give me a break.. tell him to smoke cock. so fucking what if some FBI dude has his expectations of a PORNOGRAPHY MERCHANT lowered a little.. it's not a fucking criminal offence.. don't be bullied.. go elsewhere

02-15-2002, 12:33 AM	#9
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	damn that's fucked up.

02-15-2002, 01:11 AM	#13
playa Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: atlanta, GA Posts: 6,432	prechecked boxes are not cool,,,,,

02-15-2002, 01:36 AM	#14
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	If I was working for the FBI -- I'd want to investigate porn too!

02-15-2002, 02:17 AM	#15
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	does that mean I can call myself an FBI agent..... I mean I must be a fucking supercop cuz I investigate porn everyday.....

02-15-2002, 05:28 AM	#16
tradermcduck Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe - By the way I know my nickname sucks ;-) Posts: 2,362	@ buster Are only pay sites they process for reported to the FBI, or are the affiliates of these sites reported to the FBI, too??? Thanks for answering!

02-15-2002, 07:00 AM	#19
codecrawler Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: wolfshade's basement Posts: 297	I am wondering if that by itself is legal under US law? I mean I know Dutch law has some differences but over here it would be, because information of companies that are not accused of anything, and have given no real cause for suspicion. Have their info turned over to a law and government organisation. Should a Dutch company do that we would have grounds to file a case against them. Wondering if US law works teh same way? CC __________________ WE ARE TGP2 RESISTANCE IS FUTILE YOU WILL BE CONVERTED!!! Last edited by codecrawler; 02-15-2002 at 07:02 AM..

02-15-2002, 07:10 AM	#20
tradermcduck Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe - By the way I know my nickname sucks ;-) Posts: 2,362	@ TeenGodFather Definitely nothing to hide here :-) But I find it strange that Ibill reports their customers to the FBI! What's your opinion concerning this issue?

02-15-2002, 09:50 AM	#21
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	HAHAH....another fucking beauty. They'll never give you details about what they report to the FBI. I'm fucking amazed that one of their reps actually said that to you...I bet if his/her name got out, they'd lose their job. It doesn't matter if you have something to hide or not, the breech in privacy is unacceptable. We don't live in a police state...or do we? __________________

02-15-2002, 10:06 AM	#22
tradermcduck Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Europe - By the way I know my nickname sucks ;-) Posts: 2,362	I always thought the U.S. are a free country with strong civil rights :-(

02-15-2002, 11:07 AM	#24
Maximus Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 81	hey buster, Maybe this will help. Im not sure if they are giving the list to the FBI but I would almost gaurantee they are giving it to there acquiring bank and Visa. Last week aggregators like ourselves received notice that all sites have got to be reviewed by acquirers and visa. We now have to send all sites to be okd by our bank. Just a formality really to assure not TMF'd accounts hide under the aggregator sheild. Also we received notice to contact the FBI in the event child porn sites were discovered. They gave us numbers and names of detectives to contact. Perhaps the message you received was a mix of both. __________________ Maximus Websitebilling

02-15-2002, 11:13 AM	#25
payrollpete Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,527	IBILL Looks like it is going down the tubes with most people... sad, they have been around a long time. oh well, they can join DMR in the hole ;)

02-15-2002, 11:32 AM	#26
Timothy Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 153	Oh no. I'm afraid if it's true. If this is just a rumor, Kimmy must join this thread..... Is this means we were reported from both ibill and ccbill?

02-15-2002, 11:39 AM	#27
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	The lesson here is never never ever give out information that you DON'T want the world to know. If you seriously want to protect your identity, there are ways to do it, but it requires proper filtering and that means some work on your part. If you give out your name and address to someone.... ANYONE... expect that it is no longer private. Privacy policies are nice and they make us feel good.... but if you want true security, trust no one.

02-15-2002, 12:56 PM	#28
The Other Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sunny Queensland - perfect one day and better the next. Posts: 2,106	Why worry about Ibill - if the FBI or any other body like that wants to start checking on adult webmasters all they have to do is come to the adult boards. Most of us give out all sorts of personal info on these boards and they're open to everyone to read. If people can harvest our email addresses off boards like this then there is nothing to stop them getting other information as well. __________________ Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

02-15-2002, 01:44 PM	#29
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Can someone post a link to one of these IBILL signup pages with a charity donation piece?? Thanks!!! Brad

02-15-2002, 01:56 PM	#30
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,588	Guys, I'm sure Ibill will do just fine. Unlike some of the previous thrid party processors that went under, Ibill is strong financially and has a huge customer base including many mainstream merchant s as well. They have been doing this for a long time. Mitch __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!