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Mr. Mojo Risin · 08-23-2005, 08:03 PM

Say I have a site where I ask surfers to sign up for free porn in their email. Is there anything illegal about sending them porn in their email daily if they subscribed?

thanks

synapse · 08-23-2005, 08:13 PM

Opt In and permission marketing is terribly important as some of the companies have found with the recent FCC fines ... but I don't understand why we as an industry don't have a better solution for the bigger problem which is 'delivery'!

Mr Mojo you will be able to build and email based list of potential customers but the bigger, more insidious issue is the auto junking by ISP's of your emails to those customers, regardless of if they've asked for it or not! The largest ISP's, aohell, m$n etc will kill your deliverys for a whole range of issues least of all the contence of the email.

There's been a few companies who've promised to be able to solve the delivery delemia but I haven't found one yet ... one might go so far as to say email marketing is DEAD!

Mr. Mojo Risin · 08-23-2005, 08:21 PM

Can Spam only applies to unsolicited email(spam), correct?

So if someone signs up to receive the email, I can send them free porn without worrying about whether it is legal? No Sexually Explicit warning or physical address required?

Synapse, that really sucks, I hope someone figures out a solution. I'm sure some of the email I would send would get auto junked, but not all of it.

BlackCrayon · 08-23-2005, 08:24 PM

someone posted a site that is whitelisted everywhere. you can't import lists tho, only collect them from websites i guess. not sure what the url was. maybe someone else will pop in and tell you.

pornguy · 08-23-2005, 08:25 PM

the statmen about mailing being dead, is not true.

You need to be white listed with the companies like AOHELL, and M$N. and it can be done. One way is to pay. And that was done by one of the major adult companies, and I am NOT talking about adult. com

BlackCrayon · 08-23-2005, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

Can Spam only applies to unsolicited email(spam), correct?

So if someone signs up to receive the email, I can send them free porn without worrying about whether it is legal? No Sexually Explicit warning or physical address required?

Synapse, that really sucks, I hope someone figures out a solution. I'm sure some of the email I would send would get auto junked, but not all of it.

no, unfortunately one of the can spam laws is that the email must of opted into your list.

synapse · 08-23-2005, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Mojo Risin

Can Spam only applies to unsolicited email(spam), correct?

So if someone signs up to receive the email, I can send them free porn without worrying about whether it is legal? No Sexually Explicit warning or physical address required?

Synapse, that really sucks, I hope someone figures out a solution. I'm sure some of the email I would send would get auto junked, but not all of it.

my understanding is the can spam requirements are for all emails opt in or not, but maybe someone has more knowledge on that ?!

i'm not suggesting all u'r emails will get junked but i know from experience it'll be more then u'r happy with

stevo · 08-23-2005, 08:28 PM

The Can-Spam Act that President Bush signed in December required the Federal Trade Commission to come up with a label for unsolicited pornographic e-mail. The FTC responded by declaring that anyone sending sexually oriented material must include the warning "SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT:" in the Subject line. Violators face fines.

So im guessing if they opted in, you do not have to use this subject line?

synapse · 08-23-2005, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

someone posted a site that is whitelisted everywhere. you can't import lists tho, only collect them from websites i guess. not sure what the url was. maybe someone else will pop in and tell you.

the only company that i've heard of is bighip.com that claims to be whitelisted everywhere and unfortunately we've never been able to get a response from them and only get their answering machine when we call

Mr. Mojo Risin · 08-23-2005, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

no, unfortunately one of the can spam laws is that the email must of opted into your list.

isn't signing up to get emailed "opt in"?

and confirming that via email "double opt in"?

Mr. Mojo Risin · 08-23-2005, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo

The Can-Spam Act that President Bush signed in December required the Federal Trade Commission to come up with a label for unsolicited pornographic e-mail. The FTC responded by declaring that anyone sending sexually oriented material must include the warning "SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT:" in the Subject line. Violators face fines.

So im guessing if they opted in, you do not have to use this subject line?

that's what I'm guessing...

synapse · 08-23-2005, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

the statmen about mailing being dead, is not true.

You need to be white listed with the companies like AOHELL, and M$N. and it can be done. One way is to pay. And that was done by one of the major adult companies, and I am NOT talking about adult. com

i was being provocative not literal ;)

we've tried the white listing process with aol and while we've been offically certified they still have alot of problems in trems of their junk list caching at a server and client side.

if you have any advice or could put me in touch with someone who's had success with it i'd be hugely gratefull

BlackCrayon · 08-23-2005, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synapse

the only company that i've heard of is bighip.com that claims to be whitelisted everywhere and unfortunately we've never been able to get a response from them and only get their answering machine when we call

yeah, that was it.

08-23-2005, 08:03 PM	#1
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08-23-2005, 08:24 PM	#4
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08-23-2005, 08:13 PM	#2
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	Opt In and permission marketing is terribly important as some of the companies have found with the recent FCC fines ... but I don't understand why we as an industry don't have a better solution for the bigger problem which is 'delivery'! Mr Mojo you will be able to build and email based list of potential customers but the bigger, more insidious issue is the auto junking by ISP's of your emails to those customers, regardless of if they've asked for it or not! The largest ISP's, aohell, m$n etc will kill your deliverys for a whole range of issues least of all the contence of the email. There's been a few companies who've promised to be able to solve the delivery delemia but I haven't found one yet ... one might go so far as to say email marketing is DEAD!

08-23-2005, 08:21 PM	#3
Mr. Mojo Risin Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the middle of nowhere Posts: 1,886	Can Spam only applies to unsolicited email(spam), correct? So if someone signs up to receive the email, I can send them free porn without worrying about whether it is legal? No Sexually Explicit warning or physical address required? Synapse, that really sucks, I hope someone figures out a solution. I'm sure some of the email I would send would get auto junked, but not all of it.

08-23-2005, 08:28 PM	#8
stevo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 2,051	The Can-Spam Act that President Bush signed in December required the Federal Trade Commission to come up with a label for unsolicited pornographic e-mail. The FTC responded by declaring that anyone sending sexually oriented material must include the warning "SEXUALLY-EXPLICIT:" in the Subject line. Violators face fines. So im guessing if they opted in, you do not have to use this subject line?