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Xplicit · 08-09-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

Dude, this happened within a matter of seconds, I was struggling to get away and he was grabbing my head and pinning me to the sofa. The one with the back of it up against the outside wall.

I've had people try to kiss me before, and turning my head away and leaning away is usually enough to get the point across, if my "No you can't kiss me" isn't enough...I didn't realize I was in trouble until he was grabbing at me and pushing me back into the sofa. And then I was TRYING to get off the couch.

It's not like this was over a ten minute period or anything.

Well there you go - she did exactly what I was saying she should have and walked off as soon as she could.

Chase my apologies, your origional post made it sound like this happened throughout the party.

So all you dumbfucks trying to argue with me, even Chase knew it was better to walk off and avoid the guy than to stay near him.

Telling a girl to stay around these creeps because theyre "minding their own business" doesnt prove anything to anyone - theres just some situations girls HAVE to avoid and stay away from. Sad but true.

invasion · 08-09-2005, 02:44 PM

holy shit - that guy is right near me

what a great time to fuck some one up

also - what the fuck is wrong with people?

You still must respect one another...

Holy shit - some fuckin people!!!

EZRhino · 08-09-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Anyone want his pic posted?

There is no excuse to treat a somone like that his pic should be posted

chase · 08-09-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aeon

Has anyone talked to these people/person - have they heard their side of the story?

They could be guilty as sin but you're all going spaz over a message board post and someone you spent no more than a few days with. A few years ago someone else was accused of shit - it was all BS...

I want anyone of you to go speak to a government prosecutor and see if they consider having a child as a minor being "not credible". Something doesn't seem to add up.

If these people are guilty they should be facing charges but why in the fuck are all you people running in to make face on a message board when you only have one side?

Do you know why? Because I've been around for well over a year and I've never started drama, and I don't participate in it, even. I have the respect of these people here because I act like a decent person, and that means the world to me and I wouldn't fuck it up over anything. If you've read the thread, you'd see that I was not the only girl who had issues with this SAME group of men...and yet you sit here and make it sound like I am throwing accusations around just for fun....and the only reason you even stuck your nose in is because I called you a miserable fuck in another thread.

I guess you just proved me right; you ARE a miserable fuck. And you've just become third on my ignore list. Have a nice day!

BigasMoe · 08-09-2005, 02:59 PM

Yeah you Fuckin Miserable Fuck! If it was me I'd choKe your ass till your fuckin feet Bussst!

TurboAngel · 08-09-2005, 03:02 PM

Stuff like this makes me not want to have anything to do with the shows. I can't stand people to touch me and have been known to swing first ask questions later.

aeon · 08-09-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigasMoe

Yeah you Fuckin Miserable Fuck! If it was me I'd choKe your ass till your fuckin feet Bussst!

No you wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by chase

Do you know why? Because I've been around for well over a year and I've never started drama, and I don't participate in it, even. I have the respect of these people here because I act like a decent person, and that means the world to me and I wouldn't fuck it up over anything. If you've read the thread, you'd see that I was not the only girl who had issues with this SAME group of men...and yet you sit here and make it sound like I am throwing accusations around just for fun....and the only reason you even stuck your nose in is because I called you a miserable fuck in another thread.

I guess you just proved me right; you ARE a miserable fuck. And you've just become third on my ignore list. Have a nice day!

I would have been happier to be #1 but since I'm the third...let's wait to hear the response from the other people involved...that I'm interested in. You're justifications and being "not credible" are irrelevant.

You accused someone of something very very bad and have tried to hurt them...you did it before and lawyers, probably decent ones, found you lacking credibility. I want to see the other person's position before I even think about who's right or wrong.

iwantchixx · 08-09-2005, 03:13 PM

OMG girl. I'm so sorry you had to endure that. COmmendable of you to go through a litle on your past too to really give an explanation how this really bothers you.

WTF is wrong with people at these shows lately? Cripes it's prette bad when women at the shows pretty much need to bring some musclebound beefneck to protect them now

These shows should be invite only.

chase · 08-09-2005, 03:13 PM

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Huggles · 08-09-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED

This is EXACTLY why most girls don't bother speaking up or asking for help. She's not on trial here

Yeah, but honestly, if some dude tried to kiss ME, I would tell him to fxck off, and not remain sitting next to him.

It wasn't her fault that he made these advances, but don't give him the opportunity to advance more by remaining next to him.

aeon · 08-09-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

Yeah, but honestly, if some dude tried to kiss ME, I would tell him to fxck off, and not remain sitting next to him.

It wasn't her fault that he made these advances, but don't give him the opportunity to advance more by remaining next to him.

Don't actually point out the obvious or you're be a miserable fuck as well...

Toodles.

chase · 08-09-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

Yeah, but honestly, if some dude tried to kiss ME, I would tell him to fxck off, and not remain sitting next to him.

It wasn't her fault that he made these advances, but don't give him the opportunity to advance more by remaining next to him.

I repeat:
Dude, this happened within a matter of seconds, I was struggling to get away and he was grabbing my head and pinning me to the sofa. The one with the back of it up against the outside wall.

I've had people try to kiss me before, and turning my head away and leaning away is usually enough to get the point across, if my "No you can't kiss me" isn't enough...I didn't realize I was in trouble until he was grabbing at me and pushing me back into the sofa. And then I was TRYING to get off the couch.

It's not like this was over a ten minute period or anything.

GlydeGirl · 08-09-2005, 03:46 PM

One thing that people seem to forget, is that the law (cops, courts) will never be able to provide the true "justice" victims seek. Most punishments (in the rare cases when there is an actual conviction) are mere slaps on the wrist for most predators and don't provide too much of a deterrent for next time.

Personally, I think that street justice is a much better method... get a bunch of outraged buddies to "chat" with the accused about their "poor manners" and have a "meaningful conversation" about the "negative long term consequences" of the accusor's behaviours.

V_RocKs · 08-09-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aeon

Don't actually point out the obvious or you're be a miserable fuck as well...

Toodles.

Go away surfer... and take the other trolls with you.

JFK · 08-09-2005, 07:03 PM

sorry to hear about the problem chase

Worldnet · 08-09-2005, 07:21 PM

There is still allot of scum in this biz!

tony286 · 08-09-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldnet

There is still allot of scum in this biz!

Well when the industry puts the focus of the showing off naked girls and being a pimp and the way a large number talk about the models(ho,slut,bitch). The asholes will come. Its funny people are shocked this happens considering alot of the atitudes.

V_RocKs · 08-09-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Well when the industry puts the focus of the showing off naked girls and being a pimp and the way a large number talk about the models(ho,slut,bitch). The asholes will come. Its funny people are shocked this happens considering alot of the atitudes.

Why do we expect MORE from the shows in the way of respect for the models? Because they are INDUSTRY shows. There is an expectation that the PROFESSIONALS in the industry will conduct themselves accordingly.

GregE · 08-10-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Well when the industry puts the focus of the showing off naked girls and being a pimp and the way a large number talk about the models(ho,slut,bitch). The asholes will come.

So what you're saying here is that were anyone to attend say a horror movie convention they should anticipate that there'll inevitably be few assholes hanging around the bar in hockey masks looking to slice up the women.

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Its funny people are shocked this happens considering alot of the atitudes.

Maybe that's cause assholes are unwelcome pretty much everywhere including porn conventions.

V_RocKs · 08-10-2005, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE

So what you're saying here is that were anyone to attend say a horror movie convention they should anticipate that there'll inevitably be few assholes hanging around the bar in hockey masks looking to slice up the women.

Maybe that's cause assholes are unwelcome pretty much everywhere including porn conventions.

You made the point exactly!

jeotorres · 10-05-2005, 11:25 AM

Hi to Everyone, I?m Jason Torres, and I want to clear some comments and accusations that I have seen on this forum, that need to be corrected in order to keep clean mine and my business reputation.

First I want to make clear for all of you (especially for V-rocks), I DID NOT ASSIST TO THE INTERNEXT EXPO, did not go to any of the events that occur between August 5-7 at the Westin Diplomat Hotel.
I was at home with my family during all three days of the event, and I have legal proves of that fact, THE PERSON WHO ASSISTED TO THAT CONFERENCE was my business partner Andres Amaya Artunduaga who assisted in a personal way (NOT IN REPRESENTATION OF ZANTAFE FILMS or in representation of any of the businesses I own). with some friends of him, and probably took the right to speak on my name or give away any of my business cards (that he may have took from the office since the telephone on his business card was not longer in use.)

I understand the situation with Chase, and I really feel sorry for everything that happen to her that night, but I have been affected personally because of the misunderstanding and the comments posted of this forum, the situation with Mr. Amaya has come to our attention and measures are being taking care by the company and the legal attorneys of the company.
Finally I want ZANTAFE FILMS is not an adult entertainment firm, HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE ADULT ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY, and will not produce any adult entertainment material, at least not in the near future I know, so there was not reason why we should have attended as a company to that specific trade show. Is someone assisted pretended to be me was probably this person.

Please remove all pictures or any material that has been downloaded from our site without legal authorization. The use of those pictures of us have already give us enough trouble, and those pictures re copyright protected including mine.

Feel free to contact me for any further questions.

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Originally Posted by chase

I was partying up at the Amateur Bash suite party Friday night, and these three Spanish guys showed up. One of them gave me his biz card; it was Jason Torres from Zantafe Films, www.zantafe-films.com , and I think he said something about being in mainstream biz and starting to cross over, but after 11 screwdrivers, what he said isn't that clear to me.

What he DID, however, is.

He sat next to me on the sofa inside and asked if he could kiss me, which I said NO to. Apparently his English was not so good at that point, though it had been fine before, because he tried anyway. I pushed him away, and he tried at least twice more, actually grabbing my head while I pushed him and twisted my face away, and mashed my lips together.

You know, I was raped when I was 19...I know a forced kiss is nothing compared to that. But it was scary to not be in control of who I kiss...and it brought back a flood of bad memories at that moment...and the thought of what could have happened if I was by myself down by the pool or something is pretty frightening.

Come to find out, one of the guys in that same trio was acting aggressively towards another woman there as well. (I don't want to mention her name because it is her place to come forward with what happened to her, not mine.) I don't know if it was the same guy or not. Now it's pretty obvious that Aaron's model was also handled disrespectfully, though who knows if it was the same person.

What I do know is that when I tell a man No, it means, No. It may possibly mean just mean not right now if it is someone I am interested in, but the bottom line is that I do not want to do something, and forcing, pressuring, or being aggressive with me to get me (or ANY girl, which is my point here), to comply is wrong. How would you like it if a guy wanted to press you for sex and wouldn't take no for an answer?

I do realize that most of you guys get this, but for the few who seem to think a NO means just try harder, I thought you should get a woman's point of view. Having a woman have sex with you because you pressured them into it is a hollow victory. And chances are good she'll regret it, and never touch you again, and tell all her friends to avoid you.

I've had my head slammed into a wall and had a man tear my pants off and force himself inside me...it was far beyond a physical pain. It hurt my soul that something I have was stolen from me, and I was completely out of my own control. I felt filthy, violated, exposed, betrayed, and I was mad at myself for not being strong enough to fight him off. I felt guilty and stupid for hanging out with him, because I thought I should have known better, even though there was no warning at all of what he would do. I was scared he had given me HIV or another incurable STD, or even one that is curable, (thank God he didn't!); and I was scared I would get pregnant and have to either live with seeing the product of that awful moment every day for the rest of my life and not let it affect my parenting, or else give my child to someone else to raise. My sex drive was nonexistant for close to a year after that, because I couldn't imagine being able to have sex without it reminding me. I couldn't trust a man for much longer, because I knew how easy it is to get fooled by someone. It's something that can make or break you...I was broken for a while, but I decided that continuing to live in fear, and letting what happened to me ruin the rest of my life was not what I wanted. I made a mistake in trusting him, but it was NOT my fault that he made the decision he did, and I was not going to pay penance forever. I have a life to live. Some girls aren't able to find that inside themselves, and they punish themselves with isolation, drug abuse, abusive men, cutting, eating disorders, putting on weight, and a multitude of other ways.

I'm seriously disturbed by this trend of men getting pushy with women at the shows. Like I said in Aaron's thread, I attend shows alone, because I like the freedom to bounce from group to group and spend time with everyone. I think next year I may just pay a sitter and bring my ex with me, so I have an escort. (BTW anyone needing stunt cocks in Vegas, he's got a big cock and can perform on cam, hahaha! Just trying to bring some levity into the discussion, lol, though I do mean what I said, lol.)

I am happy to see so many men in the industry frown upon this sort of bad behaviour. Maybe if the message is sent that anyone who mistreats a model, female webmaster, affiliate rep, etc. won't be considered for business, it will sink in that it is not ok to push yourself on a girl just because she is attending an adult convention.

jonesy · 10-05-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jeotorres

Hi to Everyone, I?m Jason Torres, and I want to clear some comments and accusations that I have seen on this forum, that need to be corrected in order to keep clean mine and my business reputation.

First I want to make clear for all of you (especially for V-rocks), I DID NOT ASSIST TO THE INTERNEXT EXPO, did not go to any of the events that occur between August 5-7 at the Westin Diplomat Hotel.

Please remove all pictures or any material that has been downloaded from our site without legal authorization. The use of those pictures of us have already give us enough trouble, and those pictures re copyright protected including mine.

Feel free to contact me for any further questions.

it took 2 months to respond?

CNYDUDE · 10-05-2005, 04:56 PM

I saw several guys at last years AEE show in Vegas be very rude to some of the girls and assume they could touch the girls anyway they wanted.

No girl should be toched like that, just because they peform in a movie doesnt mean they are fair game at the shows.

PSDiva · 10-05-2005, 07:50 PM

why do whores get upset when they get treated like whores?

jeotorres · 10-05-2005, 08:16 PM

I Took two months in reply beacause I happened to discover this forum jus't few days ago, when I was doing some search at google to check on our advertising.

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10-05-2005, 04:56 PM	#123
CNYDUDE Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Central New York Posts: 7	I saw several guys at last years AEE show in Vegas be very rude to some of the girls and assume they could touch the girls anyway they wanted. No girl should be toched like that, just because they peform in a movie doesnt mean they are fair game at the shows. __________________ CNYDUDE I wish these voices in my head would stop already

10-05-2005, 07:50 PM	#124
PSDiva I just wandered in here Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 11	why do whores get upset when they get treated like whores? __________________ I'm an IDIOT that doesn't know how to follow the board rules.

08-09-2005, 02:44 PM	#102
invasion Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: boca raton, fl Posts: 218	holy shit - that guy is right near me what a great time to fuck some one up also - what the fuck is wrong with people? You still must respect one another... Holy shit - some fuckin people!!!

08-09-2005, 03:02 PM	#106
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,122	Stuff like this makes me not want to have anything to do with the shows. I can't stand people to touch me and have been known to swing first ask questions later.

08-09-2005, 03:13 PM	#108
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	OMG girl. I'm so sorry you had to endure that. COmmendable of you to go through a litle on your past too to really give an explanation how this really bothers you. WTF is wrong with people at these shows lately? Cripes it's prette bad when women at the shows pretty much need to bring some musclebound beefneck to protect them now These shows should be invite only.

08-09-2005, 03:46 PM	#113
GlydeGirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,516	One thing that people seem to forget, is that the law (cops, courts) will never be able to provide the true "justice" victims seek. Most punishments (in the rare cases when there is an actual conviction) are mere slaps on the wrist for most predators and don't provide too much of a deterrent for next time. Personally, I think that street justice is a much better method... get a bunch of outraged buddies to "chat" with the accused about their "poor manners" and have a "meaningful conversation" about the "negative long term consequences" of the accusor's behaviours.

08-09-2005, 07:21 PM	#116
Worldnet Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 996	There is still allot of scum in this biz!

10-05-2005, 08:16 PM	#125
jeotorres Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	beacuse... I Took two months in reply beacause I happened to discover this forum jus't few days ago, when I was doing some search at google to check on our advertising.