Dialer payout vs Consumer rate... - GoFuckYourself.com

VIP · 02-05-2002, 12:08 PM

Can anyone tell me what consumer rates the 'big' dialer companies use?

Just being curious

Just the consumer rate and the payout will do...
Maybe nice to know if they push their own content...

VIP · 02-05-2002, 12:18 PM

Anyone... or is it that bad?

VIP · 02-05-2002, 12:46 PM

The maximum payout I can find is $1,10 with a $8,- consumer rate?

VIP · 02-05-2002, 04:28 PM

OK here is one:

Dialerking: Consumer rate $8,00 payout $1,00 12,5%...

Anal Hobbit · 02-05-2002, 04:30 PM

Anal Hobbit · 02-05-2002, 04:31 PM

if you need some lines fixed in the Congo maybe I can help you?

VIP · 02-05-2002, 04:35 PM

Just wondering why nobody is responding ;)

VIP · 02-05-2002, 04:36 PM

And Congo probably will payout $0,03 out of $16,00

hollywood · 02-05-2002, 06:00 PM

There are many companies taking cuts off of dialer revenue which is why the consumer to webmaster rates vary so much...

let's not forget about the phone companies, etc...

NetRodent · 02-05-2002, 07:14 PM

I tried looking for the exact same info a couple weeks back. Practically every dialer company I taked to, was quite willing to give me a spreadsheet with the amounts they paid. I was only able to find 2 companies (both European) that listed the amount charged to the user.

http://www.goodthinxx.com/
http://www.ebs-ag.de/

IBill is also launching a dialer through a partnership with a dutch company called KPN Switchpoint. When I got the info from iBill a couple weeks back they had a list of payouts and customer-rates of a dozen or so countries.

Most dialer companies I've talked to seem not to want anyone to know how much the customer is being charged.

Hunter · 02-05-2002, 07:58 PM

I can tell you what Telcoweb is charging !
Not sure about all the others, i have heard
that DK is charging consumers about $8

For Telcoweb the rates do change depending
on which country, none are over $2.99 i believe.

VIP if you want more info contact me on
ICQ #121258311

Hooper · 02-05-2002, 08:17 PM

Christ. Is tonight dialer night?

http://www.conversioncash.com

Look at our dialer rates...and then look at what we pay.

VIP · 02-06-2002, 03:32 AM

Why not a simple statement from the companies...

I know about the telco's are making money out of this but they do not make 80%!

Everybody is talking about the highest payout, realy nobody seems to care what they have to sell. Even the companies and resellers do not know the consumer rates!

Chris R · 02-06-2002, 03:46 AM

VIP,

I used to work in the telecommunications industry. Nothing to do with dialers.

But in my experience, almost anything to do with telephone calls - people do not know what the rates are. I mean people that work there. They may know about specials and things like that, but the real rates the consumers pay - forget about it. Ask a cable or telco provider how much it will cost after FCC fees. They lie and cheat on their rates. The biggest scammers out there are phone companies.

This is changing to some extent. I too have tried to find out info on dialers. You will only hear my dialer is better than your dialer and that kind of stuff. Stay away from anyone like that has always been my mantra.

my

VIP · 02-06-2002, 04:46 AM

Isn't it strange that all affiliates working with CC sign-ups know what the consumer gets for what price and that they do not seem to care when it comes to dialers...

E.G.: In Holland the consumer rate is max. Euro 0.70 (app. $0.62) per minute (by law) still the kickback is 0.44 Euro

AbeFroman · 02-06-2002, 08:52 AM

alot of people call the phone company and it gets taken off their bill. The phone company will inform you that the company who charged you can pursue the matter legally but that the phone company doesn't have to collect for them.

VIP · 02-06-2002, 09:01 AM

But it still is not $6,- for the billing now is it?

SR · 02-06-2002, 09:09 AM

With dialers the only one that doesn't get fucked is the owner.

The webmaster gets fucked by getting paid shit.
12% at dialerass
what a joke
and the surfer gets fucked but that's obvious with dialers that charge over $2/min

richard · 02-06-2002, 10:07 AM

VIP, a good chunk of change gets eaten up by "chargebacks", aka uncollectibles.

The rate offered by the reseller/network factors this into it - if they get 50% of the caller cost per minute, but have 75% of customers not pay them, they can only pay out 12.5%, for eg.

Here are some eg rates for you:

UK £1.50
German 3.63 DM
Australia AUD 5.45
Belgium BEF 45
Canada CAN$ 4.99
Italy ITL 2945
Netherlands NGL 1.5
Spain PTS 152
Sweden SWK 20
Switzerland SFR 4.23

There are a whole load of factors involved in getting from caller cost, to webmaster rate.

Richard.

Hooper · 02-06-2002, 10:12 AM

Actually.. you'll find that the primary factor in u.s. dialer routes is chargebacks...

I've seen up to 65% chargeback rates on u.s. dialer calls... and that is for honest dialers...not the kind that dial up automatically late at night.

alias · 02-06-2002, 10:34 AM

devildialer uses telco and as was said by hunter have been informed that the cost to the surfer is under 3. $ usd /per min

VIP · 02-06-2002, 10:53 AM

I still think $3,- is high!

02-05-2002, 12:18 PM	#2
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	Anyone... or is it that bad? __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-05-2002, 12:46 PM	#3
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	The maximum payout I can find is $1,10 with a $8,- consumer rate? __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-05-2002, 04:28 PM	#4
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	OK here is one: Dialerking: Consumer rate $8,00 payout $1,00 12,5%... __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

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02-05-2002, 04:35 PM	#7
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	Just wondering why nobody is responding ;) __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-05-2002, 12:08 PM	#1
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	Dialer payout vs Consumer rate... Can anyone tell me what consumer rates the 'big' dialer companies use? Just being curious Just the consumer rate and the payout will do... Maybe nice to know if they push their own content... __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-05-2002, 04:31 PM	#6
Anal Hobbit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Old Skool GFY Negro Posts: 2,308	if you need some lines fixed in the Congo maybe I can help you?

02-05-2002, 04:36 PM	#8
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	And Congo probably will payout $0,03 out of $16,00 __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-05-2002, 06:00 PM	#9
hollywood Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 483	There are many companies taking cuts off of dialer revenue which is why the consumer to webmaster rates vary so much... let's not forget about the phone companies, etc...

02-05-2002, 07:14 PM	#10
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	I tried looking for the exact same info a couple weeks back. Practically every dialer company I taked to, was quite willing to give me a spreadsheet with the amounts they paid. I was only able to find 2 companies (both European) that listed the amount charged to the user. http://www.goodthinxx.com/ http://www.ebs-ag.de/ IBill is also launching a dialer through a partnership with a dutch company called KPN Switchpoint. When I got the info from iBill a couple weeks back they had a list of payouts and customer-rates of a dozen or so countries. Most dialer companies I've talked to seem not to want anyone to know how much the customer is being charged.

02-05-2002, 07:58 PM	#11
Hunter Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: just above you Posts: 283	I can tell you what Telcoweb is charging ! Not sure about all the others, i have heard that DK is charging consumers about $8 For Telcoweb the rates do change depending on which country, none are over $2.99 i believe. VIP if you want more info contact me on ICQ #121258311

02-05-2002, 08:17 PM	#12
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	Christ. Is tonight dialer night? http://www.conversioncash.com Look at our dialer rates...and then look at what we pay.

02-06-2002, 03:32 AM	#13
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	Why not a simple statement from the companies... I know about the telco's are making money out of this but they do not make 80%! Everybody is talking about the highest payout, realy nobody seems to care what they have to sell. Even the companies and resellers do not know the consumer rates! __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-06-2002, 03:46 AM	#14
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	VIP, I used to work in the telecommunications industry. Nothing to do with dialers. But in my experience, almost anything to do with telephone calls - people do not know what the rates are. I mean people that work there. They may know about specials and things like that, but the real rates the consumers pay - forget about it. Ask a cable or telco provider how much it will cost after FCC fees. They lie and cheat on their rates. The biggest scammers out there are phone companies. This is changing to some extent. I too have tried to find out info on dialers. You will only hear my dialer is better than your dialer and that kind of stuff. Stay away from anyone like that has always been my mantra. my

02-06-2002, 04:46 AM	#15
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	Isn't it strange that all affiliates working with CC sign-ups know what the consumer gets for what price and that they do not seem to care when it comes to dialers... E.G.: In Holland the consumer rate is max. Euro 0.70 (app. $0.62) per minute (by law) still the kickback is 0.44 Euro __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-06-2002, 08:52 AM	#16
AbeFroman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 220	alot of people call the phone company and it gets taken off their bill. The phone company will inform you that the company who charged you can pursue the matter legally but that the phone company doesn't have to collect for them.

02-06-2002, 09:01 AM	#17
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	But it still is not $6,- for the billing now is it? __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213

02-06-2002, 09:09 AM	#18
SR Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,239	With dialers the only one that doesn't get fucked is the owner. The webmaster gets fucked by getting paid shit. 12% at dialerass what a joke and the surfer gets fucked but that's obvious with dialers that charge over $2/min

02-06-2002, 10:07 AM	#19
richard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: UK Posts: 543	VIP, a good chunk of change gets eaten up by "chargebacks", aka uncollectibles. The rate offered by the reseller/network factors this into it - if they get 50% of the caller cost per minute, but have 75% of customers not pay them, they can only pay out 12.5%, for eg. Here are some eg rates for you: UK £1.50 German 3.63 DM Australia AUD 5.45 Belgium BEF 45 Canada CAN$ 4.99 Italy ITL 2945 Netherlands NGL 1.5 Spain PTS 152 Sweden SWK 20 Switzerland SFR 4.23 There are a whole load of factors involved in getting from caller cost, to webmaster rate. Richard.

02-06-2002, 10:12 AM	#20
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	Actually.. you'll find that the primary factor in u.s. dialer routes is chargebacks... I've seen up to 65% chargeback rates on u.s. dialer calls... and that is for honest dialers...not the kind that dial up automatically late at night.

02-06-2002, 10:34 AM	#21
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02-06-2002, 10:53 AM	#22
VIP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 360	I still think $3,- is high! __________________ E-Mail or ICQ: 99786213