Oh, I've no doubt that they are successful, and probably very profitable as well. If there weren't 20 waiting to get in for every 1 who doesn't want to go, there would not be such a wait to get in. But how long have you guys been doing these parties now? I'd think you'd have it a little more streamlined by this time. But every year it's the same.
I personally don't get the hype... the Players Ball is not my kind of party. It's overpriced and overcrowded. But even so, I know plenty of people who look forward to it every time.

I like the Players Ball... Now send me my bloody card already, it's been over 3 years! :winkwink:

Here's why the AEE and Internext shows are running at the same time:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=498888

I can tell you that you didn't pay extra for the hype of the Players Ball. The Players Ball is held in Vegas at their busiest time of year with CES going on and 2 adult conventions. EVERY Vegas night club jacks their prices up because Vegas is packed. It has absolutely nothing to do with the hype of the Players Ball, they have no idea what the Players Ball is when I change to a new venue like we did the last 2 years.

But hey, I'm encouraged by your email because if the perception out their is that the Players Ball has a ton of hype, then I'm doing my job as the Players President.

Keep an open mind in the future and try it out again. I'm always hoping to find the right venue and cast of help around me to prevent waits in lines. I'm hoping our NEW venue in 2006 will end the waits.

Just because they don't say it doesn't mean they don't think it.

PS the Players Ball was created with the Players of the industry in mind-

It is a venue for the "whales" and VIP's of this business to do business with one another and let off some steam. It's a celebration of our occupations.

Missy I can guarantee that if your last name was Cadwell, or you worked as an owner of a major company with lot's of traffic, your night would have been a lot better.

I don't mean to sound pretentious, but it's just the way it is. The reason we have so many celebrities in attendance, the headline talent that we have, and the areas roped off for the "players" is because these people respect doing business with professional, successful web companies.

It's always a treat when players meet.

:pimp :pimp :pimp

AVN is the .XXX of our business

Now they want to ghettoize us into being with video porners-
So the next time Rob Black gets in trouble, or Max Hardcore gets indicted for something we'll be grouped in with them.

This seems fair to me-LOL
Funny thing is if the shoe were on the other foot, and video companies got grouped with us at Internext- would any video companies be scared that they can be in trouble for sending spam?

Of course not-
AVN wants to cover the entire industry with a PORN umbrella the way I see it, which is totally not the way to go-
For starters-Internext is a community of webmasters
AEE is a community of porn video companies and looky loos' who feed off the exploitation of women ( pornstars) to me they are the blue collar side of this industry-

Webmasters exploit surfers- not women. If anything, AVN should do a consumer web show where the end users are all surfers with Gold Credit cards that can sign up at any booth in Vegas to see whatever sites they wish to see.

Instead what you will be seeing are 5,000 guys with CES badges coming to scope out porn stars and not doing any business-

Aren't we as an industry out to better ourselves and make more money by ingratiating ourselves with more online adult companies?Why do we need to be side by side of porn video companies?

How many of these porn companies need a web presence?
I know many people who sell these adult companies' content to webmasters already.

Do they really think we are stupid enough to believe that a Red Light District Video or Anabolic needs to talk to us about more traffic to their websites?

It's absurd, it's bullshit, and I know even Aly smells something fishy about it.

Don't be a bunch of sheep- AVN is lying to you once again.

And that attitude clearly rubs off on your parties, and it's exactly that type of attitude that I try to avoid. I know you could give a shit about what type of attitude I (or any other little person out there) cares about, but let me ask you this... Out of the thousands of the people who attend the Players Balls... how many of them are "Cadwells"? Very few, obviously. So what about the majority that makes up the rest of the party?

Your brother obviously wants to make his parties the best they can possibly be... for everybody, not ONLY the big players. And even if he means what you say, at least he has a tactful way of saying it. You could learn something from him.

Stay across the street at Treasure Island. The prices are significantly lower. I already booked my room.

Nah- My bro is a diplomat
I call it the way I see it-

Point is- maybe you'll aspire to do more business with our sponsors in the future, if not us-
We do this party for a reason
and it's BUSINESS

More HUGE business deals go down at a Players Ball than anywhere else in the tradeshow-
and that's a fact!

Missy I don't mean to sound rude or flippant- but we have had a lot of people get into these shows as well that don't belong there- and they are usually the first to come here bitching about something-

Hit me up Missy- [email protected]
I'll make sure you get in to this years show and I will introduce you to some real Players- and you'll see what I am talking about
and there are a shitload of whales that do not advertise in AVN or even post on boards-
and yes, D$ and I know them all....

Well, my view on why the Players Ball was created had the intent for only the biggest players to attend (only 20 to 100 people), which is what KB is probably referring about when he speaks on my behalf, which he really shouldn't do.

BUT, once the huge budgets starting happening I wanted to open the event up so that EVERY player or potential player had an opportunity to come and have fun. Which means big or small, I wanted everyone to attend and always had venues big enough to hold EVERYONE.

The last 2 years we limited the party to only 2000 people and that was a guest list created by the sponsors. They had the passes to give out.

I've worked hard over the years to please everyone with this event and I realize I can never please 100% of the people, though I still try very hard.

Players don't always have money or sign ups, sometimes they develope into the player years later. I see a little bit of player in everyone.

I agree that there are a lot of people coming to the shows that don't belong there. But I am not one of them. I may be a nobody, but I've been working for a fairly large adult company for the last 4 years, so please don't mistake me as one of those freeloaders who come to the shows and parties just for handouts and free booze.

I sincerely appreciate your offer and effort. I am not new to this industry. I have met many of the "real Players", but until or unless I am ready to do some real business with them, I have no desire or need to waste their time. I could meet them today, and tomorrow they would not even remember my name.

I guess my whole point is that this industry is made up of a lot more than just the big players. The person that you may treat disrespectfully today because you feel that they are not a big enough player may well be the person that could make or break very important deals with you in the future. You just never know what the future holds for all of us many "nobodys", and we all had to start out somewhere.

I agree 100%.

When I start to issue out Player Codes I'll be sure to give you the VIP passes (if we have VIP this time). So whatever I can do for you, I will.

Feel free to hit me up anytime to redeem them, probably in the next 2 weeks I'll begin that process.

And that's why you have my respect.

One of my very favorite people in this industry is the one who took us under his wing at our very first show and showed us the ropes. He did not care that we were just starting out, and he didn't care that we didn't make more than a few hundred dollars at that point. He saw potential in every person, and treated every person with equal respect. And in return, he will always have my respect, however little that may be worth.

I've always detested having the shows bunched together in Vegas.
The Consumer Electronic Show alone makes overcrowding a nightmare... and really, for the AVERAGE porn webmaster what?s the upside of having spill over attendance from them?
Very little, yet the price hikes they must put up with to accommodate it (hotels, booth prices etc) far outweigh pretty much everything they?d gain from it.

Doing the math for most porn membership sites, it simply doesn?t add up

I?m all for changing the dates to a few weeks down the calendar