Video-Post jacks up Prices for PA - GoFuckYourself.com

wdsguy · 07-29-2005, 12:45 PM

Anyone got the email that its now $100/month to get a PA with them?

HoHoHo · 07-30-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

Anyone got the email that its now $100/month to get a PA with them?

Yes, I got it...Personaly I think it's to much money for submitting a gallery every second day. So...no more video-post for me

Corleone · 07-30-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HoHoHo

Yes, I got it...Personaly I think it's to much money for submitting a gallery every second day. So...no more video-post for me

made some good sales?

chadglni · 07-30-2005, 08:56 AM

These TGPs are just saying thanks to all of the webmasters that helped them grow over the years. You should be honored that want your money.

Theo · 07-30-2005, 08:57 AM

lol lol

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Sosa · 07-30-2005, 10:13 AM

I didn't do well with video-post and cancelled after the 2nd month.

candyflip · 07-30-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

These TGPs are just saying thanks to all of the webmasters that helped them grow over the years. You should be honored that want your money.

I think you've hit that one head on.

johndoebob · 07-30-2005, 10:25 AM

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These TGPs are just saying thanks to all of the webmasters that helped them grow over the years.

In times of FHGs nobody really needs free submitters anymore, why should anybody be thankful when he was building the traffic he send you for free and also does the review work.

Video-Post accs were worth nowdays price last year and you could easily make at least 600$ off their traffic per month when they still costed a 1$ onetime fee till the new reviewer came that fucked up my acceptance percent and denied all perfectly good galleries that were even listed at the hun without problems.

Since then no submits to video-post anymore for me.

fris · 07-30-2005, 10:27 AM

ever since the nazis came on board like submit pass and let all the n00bs get partner accounts , while the trusted submitters have built the sites over the years. the prod has gone down.

so its bascially a big fuck you.

i am paying for partner accounts still but going directly to the owner, skipping submit pass, i will be no part of this crap, and paying for listings on sites that are brokered by gts, but skipping the middle man.

because i want to interact through the owner.

boneless · 07-30-2005, 10:28 AM

got it to, sucks pretty hard imho, first they let you submit one per day but you get declined for complete bs reasons, then they say well submit once every second day so there will be less submits and acceptence ratio will go up. After that they give the exact same reason for uppering the price, so they will sell less passes and get less submits and therefor you should get more listings. Problem is they should have stoped selling passes at a X number of passes instead of being greedy and wheeling in more cash for the same delivered.

One thing i learned from Scarface : Never underestimate the other mans greed.

Lee · 07-30-2005, 10:55 AM

Well I havent received the email but this is a real bolt from the blue. I made my feelings clear in the other thread re: changing to one every two days but theres no way I am paying $100 when mine is up. I can get a Worldsex/al4a pass for less than that & submit every day alternately.

VeriSexy · 07-30-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

These TGPs are just saying thanks to all of the webmasters that helped them grow over the years. You should be honored that want your money.

p1mpdogg · 07-30-2005, 11:18 AM

tgp's are the new paysites.. im assuming its a recurring charge?

join and forget.. the paysite model...

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

ever since the nazis came on board like submit pass and let all the n00bs get partner accounts , while the trusted submitters have built the sites over the years. the prod has gone down.

so its bascially a big fuck you.

i am paying for partner accounts still but going directly to the owner, skipping submit pass, i will be no part of this crap, and paying for listings on sites that are brokered by gts, but skipping the middle man.

because i want to interact through the owner.

Yes, and the price jacks are probably based on demand; whether it makes the customers money or not.

Matt

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boneless

got it to, sucks pretty hard imho, first they let you submit one per day but you get declined for complete bs reasons, then they say well submit once every second day so there will be less submits and acceptence ratio will go up. After that they give the exact same reason for uppering the price, so they will sell less passes and get less submits and therefor you should get more listings. Problem is they should have stoped selling passes at a X number of passes instead of being greedy and wheeling in more cash for the same delivered.

One thing i learned from Scarface : Never underestimate the other mans greed.

Yup, they can accept twice the submittions now, doubling their money, plus they're charging more.

So, who's greed is it? Video-post or owner of the Submit Passes?.. I wonder. Would be nice to know actually, not merely for myself.

Wouldn't anyone else like to know that?

Matt

boneless · 07-30-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nysus

Yup, they can accept twice the submittions now, doubling their money, plus they're charging more.

So, who's greed is it? Video-post or owner of the Submit Passes?.. I wonder. Would be nice to know actually, not merely for myself.

Wouldn't anyone else like to know that?

Matt

jup woulkd love to know who made the actual decision to upper the price from 39 per month to 100 per month. allmost 200% on top of the price.

webgurl · 07-30-2005, 11:35 AM

oh boy ...
Thanks for the news .

Ray@TastyDollars · 07-30-2005, 12:19 PM

We emailed all VP clients with a very clear expination.

Why are we rasing prices?

1- VP asked us to
2- VP whats to make sure EVEY submitter gets a fair chance in getting listed
3- VP wants to increase gallery acceptance ratio by reducing the amount of partner accounts sold.
4- Most everyone will get their galleries listed if they are up to Video-post standards.

Submitpasses & Video-post will strive for customer satisfaction in order to achieve the best results.

If anyone has any question, please email me at rayATnichespotsDOTcom. I will be glad to help anyone out....as I/we always do.

Over and out, I'll be back on Monday. Have a good weekend

thx,
Ray

Theo · 07-30-2005, 12:22 PM

2,3,4 sound bullshit to me

VP wants to make more money and it's understandable

chadglni · 07-30-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

2,3,4 sound bullshit to me

VP wants to make more money and it's understandable

I heart Soul_Rebel. ;)

jollyperv · 07-30-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob

In times of FHGs nobody really needs free submitters anymore

Ask shemp about that one.

SomeCreep · 07-30-2005, 01:44 PM

The TGP model has evolved. The days of the TGPer getting paid for just working hard and submitting galleries are over. Nowadays the TGPer must pay the TGP he is submitting to, and work hard, and submit galleries. For most TGPers, this new model means less profit than before.

jollyperv · 07-30-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

The TGP model has evolved. The days of the TGPer getting paid for just working hard and submitting galleries are over. Nowadays the TGPer must pay the TGP he is submitting to, and work hard, and submit galleries. For most TGPers, this new model means less profit than before.

To a point, yes, but there are still plenty of people making tons of money off galleries and they don't pay a fucking dime for partner accounts.

johndoebob · 07-30-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv

Ask shemp about that one.

Shemp, The Hun and a few others think that high quality custom galleries make them more unique and get them more bookmarkers, but in fact that isn't necessary.

Pornopat · 07-30-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob

Shemp, The Hun and a few others think that high quality custom galleries make them more unique and get them more bookmarkers, but in fact that isn't necessary.

I love it when people think they know better then The Hun or Shemp.

leg4 · 07-30-2005, 02:53 PM

It's too much... do not accept this.

Fight back.

SomeCreep · 07-30-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob

Shemp, The Hun and a few others think that high quality custom galleries make them more unique and get them more bookmarkers, but in fact that isn't necessary.

Unless you run a TGP as successful as shemp.com or thehun.com, then you are not qualified to make this type of statement.

johndoebob · 07-30-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

I love it when people think they know better then The Hun or Shemp.

It's their concept and it works for them but it isn't neccecary to operate like this and you can make more money through other ways, if you don't get that you probably don't know much.

They're big oldskool TGPs and aren't going to change anything because things work for them the way they do it and they don't aim for more, that's all...

johndoebob · 07-30-2005, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Unless you run a TGP as successful as shemp.com or thehun.com, then you are not qualified to make this type of statement.

Use your brain...

fris · 07-30-2005, 03:07 PM

ray knows nothing about the world of submitting, he just likes contacting every high traffic site and gets them to sell out to submitpass.

since submitpass was implemented all the sites have gone down in prod.

chadglni · 07-30-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob

Use your brain...

The statements you made above are the absolute most ignorant shit I've ever seen posted on here. And I've seen a lot.

joy · 07-30-2005, 03:12 PM

What the fuck! Shut the fuck up already!!!

Here is a thought, instead of crying like fucking loser kinds why dont you stop for a sec and realize that the free ride is OVER and instead of bitching at VP thank him for the many years of free traffic?

How many fucking years did he give you fucking losers a free ride? $39/month was a fucking joke..$100 is more than fair (let not forget the many years of free traffic).

Simple math ok? I got the email as well. If they are saying your acceptence ratio will go up, what is the problem? Lets say you sbmit 1 gallery every 2nd day (thats 15/month for the idiots) and lets say your galls are not that bad and you get 10 listed. That means that each galls costs you only $10..now lets say your a newbie submitter and you get only 5 galls listed, still thats only $20 each. Wake the fuck up!!!!!!!!

VP and Submitpasses...keep up the great work and dont worry about some newbies have to say.

Joy

rhizome · 07-30-2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by joy

What the fuck! Shut the fuck up already!!!
Simple math ok? I got the email as well. If they are saying your acceptence ratio will go up, what is the problem? Lets say you sbmit 1 gallery every 2nd day (thats 15/month for the idiots) and lets say your galls are not that bad and you get 10 listed. That means that each galls costs you only $10..now lets say your a newbie submitter and you get only 5 galls listed, still thats only $20 each. Wake the fuck up!!!!!!!!

And because of idiots like this SubmitPasses is here to stay. Why don't you shut up for a second and look at your stats - there is no fuckin' way you are making a sale for every gallery listed in like position 50. For some people this is a business and not an ass kissing contest.

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

2,3,4 sound bullshit to me

VP wants to make more money and it's understandable

Yeah, my first thoughts too, to make it .. anyway.

Business is business. There will be people who will pay to try it out, but eventually enough people will know if it still makes them money or not.. Really, you could just make a program to see what and how many sponsors / new advertisers there are each month, and you'll find out their client retention... that simply says they're either breaking even, or not even (to their expectations, it might take 3 months to see if they make money from it though as well, not saying otherwise or tryng to leave anything out).

Anyways...

Matt

Lee · 07-30-2005, 03:26 PM

Oh god I hate having to spell it out to idiots

Work this one out:

$39 a month, 1 submit per day, as it was 2-3 weeks ago with a ratio in the low 50% range (lets round it down to 50) = 15 galleries listed.

$39 a month 1 submit every two days with one hundred percent acceptance = 15 galleries per month. Thats what was touted in the other thread and as much as I grumbled I could live with it as in essence nothing changed although in reality it isnt 100%.

Now a price increase that puts them above the Worldsex/Al4a deal and is still alternate days?

It wouldnt be so bad if it was put back to every day, but then could you trust them to not change it back a few months down the line?

chadglni · 07-30-2005, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by joy

What the fuck! Shut the fuck up already!!!

Here is a thought, instead of crying like fucking loser kinds why dont you stop for a sec and realize that the free ride is OVER and instead of bitching at VP thank him for the many years of free traffic?

How many fucking years did he give you fucking losers a free ride? $39/month was a fucking joke..$100 is more than fair (let not forget the many years of free traffic).

Simple math ok? I got the email as well. If they are saying your acceptence ratio will go up, what is the problem? Lets say you sbmit 1 gallery every 2nd day (thats 15/month for the idiots) and lets say your galls are not that bad and you get 10 listed. That means that each galls costs you only $10..now lets say your a newbie submitter and you get only 5 galls listed, still thats only $20 each. Wake the fuck up!!!!!!!!

VP and Submitpasses...keep up the great work and dont worry about some newbies have to say.

Joy

You are such a tool, but here's a reply for you anyhow.

First of all, I don't submit galleries so eat a pile of shit and keep your mouth shut in that regard.

Second, where do you think the years of free traffic came from? The onwner of these TGP's didn't buy content, they didn't pay to have galleries made, they didn't purchase recips from others. What did they do? They built their sites on the backs of loyal submitters for YEARS. Now that they don't need addtional traffic they charge you to pay for galleries, buy content, and submit to the TGP you had a part in growing.

Sell the top X spots, fine. Sell every spot after there are tens of thousands of galleries with recips to your site thanks to hardworking webmasters? Ha, pretty shitty if you ask me. There aren't many TGP's that would be where they are today if it weren't for submitters and who is getting fucked in the ass? Submitters. The same ones that brought in traffic, gave backlinks, helped SE rankings, and on and on.

Oh, and since you think you'll magically get more accepted with the new pricing, I'm sure you will! The new price is over 2.5 times more than the old one. They could accept 10% less buyers and still approve a higher % while making more money at the same time.

Pornopat · 07-30-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob

It's their concept and it works for them but it isn't neccecary to operate like this and you can make more money through other ways, if you don't get that you probably don't know much.

They're big oldskool TGPs and aren't going to change anything because things work for them the way they do it and they don't aim for more, that's all...

Your original point was about bookmarkers and not about making money. Offcourse there is other ways of making money.

Now kindly check out the growth of the Hun over the last year. You might be in for a surprise.
I am not gonna point at the absolute number of uniques they grow each month. That would be unfair since they are the biggest. Take a look at the percentage of growth though. Then come back to me and tell me which reasonable sized new school tgp's do better. k?

chadglni · 07-30-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Your original point was about bookmarkers and not about making money. Offcourse there is other ways of making money.

Now kindly check out the growth of the Hun over the last year. You might be in for a surprise.
I am not gonna point at the absolute number of uniques they grow each month. That would be unfair since they are the biggest. Take a look at the percentage of growth though. Then come back to me and tell me which reasonable sized new school tgp's do better. k?

Haha, even if new tgps grew at the same % it would be a shit comparison. New TGP's get tons of traded traffic that closes the site as soon as it is opened.

Pornopat · 07-30-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Haha, even if new tgps grew at the same % it would be a shit comparison. New TGP's get tons of traded traffic that closes the site as soon as it is opened.

Word.

johndoebob · 07-30-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Second, where do you think the years of free traffic came from? The onwner of these TGP's didn't buy content, they didn't pay to have galleries made, they didn't purchase recips from others. What did they do? They built their sites on the backs of loyal submitters for YEARS. Now that they don't need addtional traffic they charge you to pay for galleries, buy content, and submit to the TGP you had a part in growing.

99% of all submitters are affiliates that don't buy content and neither do they pay others for making galleries.

The TGP owner builds up the traffic, do it yourself if you can and play by your own rules.

beemk · 07-30-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

since submitpass was implemented all the sites have gone down in prod.

where are you getting these #s from? pinkworlds traffic has grown substantially since they started using niche spots, nichespots wasnt the reason... but the site has grown. theres not really any difference with paid partner accounts. paid or not if the gallery isnt good or if its over exposed its going to get declined. i can only see your logic working on paid listings which are guranteed. paid spots have been around for several years.

johndoebob · 07-30-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Now kindly check out the growth of the Hun over the last year. You might be in for a surprise.
I am not gonna point at the absolute number of uniques they grow each month. That would be unfair since they are the biggest. Take a look at the percentage of growth though. Then come back to me and tell me which reasonable sized new school tgp's do better. k?

The new school TGPs I'm talking about and not the CJ2 style trade based "TGPs" aren't listed on any traffic tracker because nobody in that business cares about selling spots or any kind of advertising.

But anyway, my original point was that submitters aren't really needed, oldschool TGPs just stick to their routine and want to keep it that way because of various reasons, till you came with your opinion that The Hun and Shemp are the biggest and must know everything better and do everything at the best possible level.

Argument finished.

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

You are such a tool, but here's a reply for you anyhow.

First of all, I don't submit galleries so eat a pile of shit and keep your mouth shut in that regard.

Second, where do you think the years of free traffic came from? The onwner of these TGP's didn't buy content, they didn't pay to have galleries made, they didn't purchase recips from others. What did they do? They built their sites on the backs of loyal submitters for YEARS. Now that they don't need addtional traffic they charge you to pay for galleries, buy content, and submit to the TGP you had a part in growing.

Sell the top X spots, fine. Sell every spot after there are tens of thousands of galleries with recips to your site thanks to hardworking webmasters? Ha, pretty shitty if you ask me. There aren't many TGP's that would be where they are today if it weren't for submitters and who is getting fucked in the ass? Submitters. The same ones that brought in traffic, gave backlinks, helped SE rankings, and on and on.

Oh, and since you think you'll magically get more accepted with the new pricing, I'm sure you will! The new price is over 2.5 times more than the old one. They could accept 10% less buyers and still approve a higher % while making more money at the same time.

That pretty much sums EVERYTHING up.

Matt

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 05:36 PM

I think some people want this thread to die off.....

Have any of them associated with the site or the company(ies) posted in this thread?

Matt

keyboard warrior · 07-30-2005, 07:14 PM

everyone should just say fuck paying and then see what the fuck they all do.

candyflip · 07-30-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by keyboard warrior

everyone should just say fuck paying and then see what the fuck they all do.

TGP Gallery Submitters Union

GTS Mark · 07-30-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nysus

I think some people want this thread to die off.....

Have any of them associated with the site or the company(ies) posted in this thread?

Matt

Actually I have been away all day at my friend's daughter's birthday party, just got back in now and am reading the thread.

Let me copy and paste the comment I made on another message board

"I'm sorry you guys don't feel the $100 a month Submit pass at Video-Post is good value. I can also understand and appreciate your concerns on the price changes and submission changes. Every change we have made recently has been in efforts to make things better (not to inflate Video-Post and GTS's pockets) Yes Boneless you can now chime in now and say how much of a ripoff we are and scammers LOL!

Our business is making our advertisers money, plain and simple...

If we had no advertisers we would have no business, so obviously it's in our best interest to make sure our advertisers are treated fairly and taken care of. If you feel you have been ripped off or taken advantage of in the slightest please e-mail me directly [email protected] and I will personally make sure you are refunded for whatever unused portion of your submitpass is still left.

GTS/Submitpasses/Video-Post are in this business for the long haul not a quick cash grab

Thanks,
DH"

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 08:11 PM

Missing the point that it will eventually destroy the sites, but that's okay.

DrinkingHard - I know there's more than just you, and Video-post is a member here as well. And if you're in for the long haul, you're going to not make as much by milking people of their money now.

Oh, also surprised you can finally be a civil human being towards me. Being a horrible person towards someone isn't a good image for a business.. example, why you changed your name to DrinkingHard to DrinkingLight.. next word change should be from "Drinking" to "Crystal". Heh..

Matt

Brujah · 07-30-2005, 08:15 PM

GTS sells much better traffic, but I would have to say VP wasn't one of them. I know DH can't agree, but I bet he would if he could.

So really it boils down to whether or not you're making money with VP or not. If you are, then $100 won't be a second thought anyway. If you're not, work with any of several other traffic sources.

Nysus · 07-30-2005, 08:16 PM

Also, the point of always having advertisers; there will always be someone knew who comes along, and we won't ever know what your recurring rate for clients is.. and it's not forever, it won't be forever, the immediate 20% increase in gallery spot prices for sites who already sold spots for your own pocket pissed off a lot of people.. and of course your testing the waters to see what you can get out of people for gallery submissions, and in the end, time will tell; can't make even an educated estimate because of all of the unknown factors.

Matt

07-29-2005, 12:45 PM	#1
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	Video-Post jacks up Prices for PA Anyone got the email that its now $100/month to get a PA with them?

07-30-2005, 08:56 AM	#4
chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	These TGPs are just saying thanks to all of the webmasters that helped them grow over the years. You should be honored that want your money. __________________ Sign up here - Dating Site affiliate program

07-30-2005, 10:27 AM	#9
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	ever since the nazis came on board like submit pass and let all the n00bs get partner accounts , while the trusted submitters have built the sites over the years. the prod has gone down. so its bascially a big fuck you. i am paying for partner accounts still but going directly to the owner, skipping submit pass, i will be no part of this crap, and paying for listings on sites that are brokered by gts, but skipping the middle man. because i want to interact through the owner. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

07-30-2005, 10:28 AM	#10
boneless Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: in your head Posts: 3,625	got it to, sucks pretty hard imho, first they let you submit one per day but you get declined for complete bs reasons, then they say well submit once every second day so there will be less submits and acceptence ratio will go up. After that they give the exact same reason for uppering the price, so they will sell less passes and get less submits and therefor you should get more listings. Problem is they should have stoped selling passes at a X number of passes instead of being greedy and wheeling in more cash for the same delivered. One thing i learned from Scarface : Never underestimate the other mans greed. __________________ icq:148573096 skype:dabone2 email:boneless(a)mgpteam(.)com

07-30-2005, 11:18 AM	#13
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	tgp's are the new paysites.. im assuming its a recurring charge? join and forget.. the paysite model... __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

07-30-2005, 08:57 AM	#5
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	lol lol ____

07-30-2005, 10:13 AM	#6
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	I didn't do well with video-post and cancelled after the 2nd month.

07-30-2005, 10:55 AM	#11
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	Well I havent received the email but this is a real bolt from the blue. I made my feelings clear in the other thread re: changing to one every two days but theres no way I am paying $100 when mine is up. I can get a Worldsex/al4a pass for less than that & submit every day alternately.

07-30-2005, 11:35 AM	#17
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	oh boy ... Thanks for the news .

07-30-2005, 12:19 PM	#18
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	We emailed all VP clients with a very clear expination. Why are we rasing prices? 1- VP asked us to 2- VP whats to make sure EVEY submitter gets a fair chance in getting listed 3- VP wants to increase gallery acceptance ratio by reducing the amount of partner accounts sold. 4- Most everyone will get their galleries listed if they are up to Video-post standards. Submitpasses & Video-post will strive for customer satisfaction in order to achieve the best results. If anyone has any question, please email me at rayATnichespotsDOTcom. I will be glad to help anyone out....as I/we always do. Over and out, I'll be back on Monday. Have a good weekend thx, Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

07-30-2005, 12:22 PM	#19
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	2,3,4 sound bullshit to me VP wants to make more money and it's understandable

07-30-2005, 01:44 PM	#22
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	The TGP model has evolved. The days of the TGPer getting paid for just working hard and submitting galleries are over. Nowadays the TGPer must pay the TGP he is submitting to, and work hard, and submit galleries. For most TGPers, this new model means less profit than before. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

07-30-2005, 02:53 PM	#26
leg4 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 4,429	It's too much... do not accept this. Fight back. __________________ >>> Contact me here email me here

07-30-2005, 03:07 PM	#30
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	ray knows nothing about the world of submitting, he just likes contacting every high traffic site and gets them to sell out to submitpass. since submitpass was implemented all the sites have gone down in prod. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

07-30-2005, 03:12 PM	#32
joy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 97	What the fuck! Shut the fuck up already!!! Here is a thought, instead of crying like fucking loser kinds why dont you stop for a sec and realize that the free ride is OVER and instead of bitching at VP thank him for the many years of free traffic? How many fucking years did he give you fucking losers a free ride? $39/month was a fucking joke..$100 is more than fair (let not forget the many years of free traffic). Simple math ok? I got the email as well. If they are saying your acceptence ratio will go up, what is the problem? Lets say you sbmit 1 gallery every 2nd day (thats 15/month for the idiots) and lets say your galls are not that bad and you get 10 listed. That means that each galls costs you only $10..now lets say your a newbie submitter and you get only 5 galls listed, still thats only $20 each. Wake the fuck up!!!!!!!! VP and Submitpasses...keep up the great work and dont worry about some newbies have to say. Joy

07-30-2005, 03:26 PM	#35
Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kernow Posts: 2,977	Oh god I hate having to spell it out to idiots Work this one out: $39 a month, 1 submit per day, as it was 2-3 weeks ago with a ratio in the low 50% range (lets round it down to 50) = 15 galleries listed. $39 a month 1 submit every two days with one hundred percent acceptance = 15 galleries per month. Thats what was touted in the other thread and as much as I grumbled I could live with it as in essence nothing changed although in reality it isnt 100%. Now a price increase that puts them above the Worldsex/Al4a deal and is still alternate days? It wouldnt be so bad if it was put back to every day, but then could you trust them to not change it back a few months down the line?

07-30-2005, 05:36 PM	#44
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	I think some people want this thread to die off..... Have any of them associated with the site or the company(ies) posted in this thread? Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

07-30-2005, 07:14 PM	#45
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	everyone should just say fuck paying and then see what the fuck they all do. __________________ - nothing here -

07-30-2005, 08:11 PM	#48
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Missing the point that it will eventually destroy the sites, but that's okay. DrinkingHard - I know there's more than just you, and Video-post is a member here as well. And if you're in for the long haul, you're going to not make as much by milking people of their money now. Oh, also surprised you can finally be a civil human being towards me. Being a horrible person towards someone isn't a good image for a business.. example, why you changed your name to DrinkingHard to DrinkingLight.. next word change should be from "Drinking" to "Crystal". Heh.. Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html Last edited by Nysus; 07-30-2005 at 08:13 PM..

07-30-2005, 08:15 PM	#49
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	GTS sells much better traffic, but I would have to say VP wasn't one of them. I know DH can't agree, but I bet he would if he could. So really it boils down to whether or not you're making money with VP or not. If you are, then $100 won't be a second thought anyway. If you're not, work with any of several other traffic sources. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-30-2005, 08:16 PM	#50
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Also, the point of always having advertisers; there will always be someone knew who comes along, and we won't ever know what your recurring rate for clients is.. and it's not forever, it won't be forever, the immediate 20% increase in gallery spot prices for sites who already sold spots for your own pocket pissed off a lot of people.. and of course your testing the waters to see what you can get out of people for gallery submissions, and in the end, time will tell; can't make even an educated estimate because of all of the unknown factors. Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html