where are you getting these #s from? pinkworlds traffic has grown substantially since they started using niche spots, nichespots wasnt the reason... but the site has grown. theres not really any difference with paid partner accounts. paid or not if the gallery isnt good or if its over exposed its going to get declined. i can only see your logic working on paid listings which are guranteed. paid spots have been around for several years.

The new school TGPs I'm talking about and not the CJ2 style trade based "TGPs" aren't listed on any traffic tracker because nobody in that business cares about selling spots or any kind of advertising.

But anyway, my original point was that submitters aren't really needed, oldschool TGPs just stick to their routine and want to keep it that way because of various reasons, till you came with your opinion that The Hun and Shemp are the biggest and must know everything better and do everything at the best possible level.

Argument finished.

That pretty much sums EVERYTHING up. :)

Matt

I think some people want this thread to die off.....

Have any of them associated with the site or the company(ies) posted in this thread? :)

Matt

everyone should just say fuck paying and then see what the fuck they all do.

TGP Gallery Submitters Union :1orglaugh

Actually I have been away all day at my friend's daughter's birthday party, just got back in now and am reading the thread.

Let me copy and paste the comment I made on another message board

"I'm sorry you guys don't feel the $100 a month Submit pass at Video-Post is good value. I can also understand and appreciate your concerns on the price changes and submission changes. Every change we have made recently has been in efforts to make things better (not to inflate Video-Post and GTS's pockets) Yes Boneless you can now chime in now and say how much of a ripoff we are and scammers LOL!

Our business is making our advertisers money, plain and simple...

If we had no advertisers we would have no business, so obviously it's in our best interest to make sure our advertisers are treated fairly and taken care of. If you feel you have been ripped off or taken advantage of in the slightest please e-mail me directly [email protected] and I will personally make sure you are refunded for whatever unused portion of your submitpass is still left.

GTS/Submitpasses/Video-Post are in this business for the long haul not a quick cash grab

Thanks,
DH"

Missing the point that it will eventually destroy the sites, but that's okay.

DrinkingHard - I know there's more than just you, and Video-post is a member here as well. And if you're in for the long haul, you're going to not make as much by milking people of their money now.

Oh, also surprised you can finally be a civil human being towards me. Being a horrible person towards someone isn't a good image for a business.. example, why you changed your name to DrinkingHard to DrinkingLight.. next word change should be from "Drinking" to "Crystal". Heh..

Matt

GTS sells much better traffic, but I would have to say VP wasn't one of them. I know DH can't agree, but I bet he would if he could.

So really it boils down to whether or not you're making money with VP or not. If you are, then $100 won't be a second thought anyway. If you're not, work with any of several other traffic sources.

Also, the point of always having advertisers; there will always be someone knew who comes along, and we won't ever know what your recurring rate for clients is.. and it's not forever, it won't be forever, the immediate 20% increase in gallery spot prices for sites who already sold spots for your own pocket pissed off a lot of people.. and of course your testing the waters to see what you can get out of people for gallery submissions, and in the end, time will tell; can't make even an educated estimate because of all of the unknown factors.

Matt

You mean the sites they represent now, who were helped being built up from free gallery submissions, and those submitters who provided content are now getting the shoulder ... and the company representing them trying to 'maximize profits' ... it just kills the little guys, I'm sure they don't care though, as long as they make more money... so, congrats on making money / more money..

Matt

im too old to change...

Nah you're just a clueless noob. :1orglaugh

No, I didn't mean any of that, nor did I say anything remotely similiar to any of that.

I said GTS sells better traffic sources than VP.

if u had a big site, im sure the allure of easy money will tempt u to do what he did.

im not going to jump on this pay to submit bandwagon...why should some goofball that has 40.00 to spend for an account, be treated better than a trusted gallery submitter that has helped me build my site up over the years..
im surprised some of these guys havent tried to make it retroactive...

"oh btw, ive been listing you for 3 years now, so you owe me 1440.00" ;)

SHhhhh! Don't be giving them ideas! :(

yes to the gallery submitters union!

shemp is a genuine oldschooler
there are only few guys like him left probably handfull :thumbsup
cheers xoxoxo

That's what I'm telling to myself more and more.

But they were needed in the past. For that reason many submitters think they deserve free traffic for life, like if they were sending us their galleries as an act of charity.

i say they're lucky they got free traffic as long as they did. you guys act like they were submitting because they wanted to help the tgp grow, they werent... they submitted because its free traffic and they get sales from it.

u never kiss my butt like that, deleting your partner account now

It's obvious that to raise your income via double your prices is not a smart idea.

sorry shemp gives me VIP status , your gallery reviewer doesn't like me
so he doesn't list me very often :1orglaugh

geez man you got that line on copy and paste or what?

sorry he seems to like guy's more

I figured that was your stance or you would have already jumped on the bandwagon. Even if you did decide to sell them I'd at least expect you wouldn't sell as many as people will buy no matter what. Seems to be the case many times these days.

on your knees, you know how it works

it's all about demand and supply. nothing else.

lol lol

____+

Ok, here is the rundown. We do not cap the number of accounts because I feel that a good webmaster should always have a chance to get in and submit his high quality galleries. That's what I need to keep loyal Video-Post visitors happy.

At $39 per month we sold way too many accounts which could only mean one thing: The price was too cheap for what we offered. Many webmasters had purchased 2, 3 or 4 accounts. Obviously they must have been making a killing. However the high amount of accounts reduces the value for all webmasters and creates other irritations such as a high number of overflow declines (which didn't even have any impact on the amount of galleries that actually got posted).

In order to reduce the amount of overflow declines we decided to only allow webmasters to submit one gallery every second day. While this took care of the overflow declines there were still way too many accounts. The only logical thing left to do was to increase the price to reduce the number of submitters and offer a better value to the core of quality webmasters we rely on.

How did I come to the new price? Paid links spot range 21-30 cost $500 for 30 galleries which is sold out 99% of all time (that means it's a good value). With a submit pass, a good webmaster submitting good galleries should be able to get 15 galleries listed per month (one gallery every second day). That would be $250 if it was paid links. But it isn't guaranteed (even though easily achievable) so let's take $50 off that price. Here we are at $200. Since the links will be posted under the 30th spot let's half that price again and we come to the current price of $100 per month. I think it's a damn good value.

Now to the whiny webmasters who can't make a dime and are going to cancel their account. Guess what? That's exactly what we want! Go and submit to the thousands of small sites offering free submissions where you won't even get a fraction of the traffic Video-Post sends out. Video-Post will only keep serious webmaster who know what they are doing and make good money. Less submitters, less accounts - better webmasters, more listings for them.

I understand that this was the worst time to introduce the change but the old system was totally fucked up and I am confident that this change will make things better for submitters in the long run.

Oh and $100 is only around 3 signups. With the amount of traffic Video-Post sends out, how hard is that to achieve?

Hehehe :1orglaugh

Awww you're such a little boy. Let's all pout and cancel our accounts at Video-Post :sadcrying

Let me give you a small lession is business. Video-Post refers a huge amount of signups every day through it's gallery listings. As soon as a dumb webmaster stops buying, a smart webmaster will come along and snatch up that value. Why? Because where there is money to be made there will always be smart people exploiting it. As long as Video-Post sends out traffic referring signups it is offering a value that will be exploited.....and the current price is fair for what you get (see above thread for how I came to the price). I didn't just make it up. The price/value ratio must be ok otherwise we won't make any money.

Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Ray

*sigh*

Time to bump my thread.

That's right, you better get busy filling out that McDonald's application form :1orglaugh

"At $39 per month we sold way too many accounts which could only mean one thing: The price was too cheap for what we offered. Many webmasters had purchased 2, 3 or 4 accounts"


You knew this was going to happen, you could have easily limited the amount of accounts that was going to be sold at $39 a month.

This also doesn't explain how your new reveiwer is a dick and will reject perfectly good galleries.

Thanks for reading my post. Here is the relevant part again:

We do not cap the number of accounts because I feel that a good webmaster should always have a chance to get in and submit his high quality galleries. That's what I need to keep loyal Video-Post visitors happy.

If you have a question about why a gallery was rejected, you can always email my reviewer at [email protected]

He will also tell you what you can improve to get listed more frequently.

The price is always determined by demand. Now that demand is too high, we increase the price. It's not really rocket science.