why do programs launch when they are not ready ? - GoFuckYourself.com

webgurl · 07-25-2005, 10:04 PM

I have been looking for several new programs in the past few months to promote and nothing is more
dissapointing then signing up to programs and going into the webmasters area to find empty or really lacking a) hosted galleries b) content
which is extremely important .

Advice , if you are not ready to launch your program you should keep
it in beta until you are . There is nothing worst then seeing a
half ass program come out with nothing to use for promo materials.
The majority of webmasters will give you one shot and
you'll be damn lucky if they return to your program for a 2nd look

SinSational · 07-25-2005, 10:05 PM

good question. i have found the same thing with some "content providers". they are "new" but really don't have much to promote.

wedouglas · 07-25-2005, 10:07 PM

I welcome early luanches. lets me get my SE shit up before it gets saturated.

Thurbs · 07-25-2005, 10:10 PM

oh webgurl

I got something for u to check out

Babagirls · 07-25-2005, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I welcome early luanches. lets me get my SE shit up before it gets saturated.

ya but at the same time, what if you dont have any content to promote it?

RogerV · 07-25-2005, 10:15 PM

we have something for everyone

wedouglas · 07-25-2005, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babagirls

ya but at the same time, what if you dont have any content to promote it?

i dont use content

Major (Tom) · 07-25-2005, 10:26 PM

talk to the program owner... he may give you a pass to get content or free hosting...
all u have to do is ask... never judge a book by its cover.
Duke

datatank · 07-25-2005, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

I have been looking for several new programs in the past few months to promote and nothing is more
dissapointing then signing up to programs and going into the webmasters area to find empty or really lacking a) hosted galleries b) content
which is extremely important .

Advice , if you are not ready to launch your program you should keep
it in beta until you are . There is nothing worst then seeing a
half ass program come out with nothing to use for promo materials.
The majority of webmasters will give you one shot and
you'll be damn lucky if they return to your program for a 2nd look

I love programs that are not ready.
Some of the programs that look half done and in beta are rocking joins that would make your head spin

webgurl · 07-25-2005, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

talk to the program owner... he may give you a pass to get content or free hosting...
all u have to do is ask... never judge a book by its cover.
Duke

i think i been doing the itty bitty grunt work long enough to know
never judge a book by its cover , thanks for the advice .... i think *sigh*

RogerV · 07-25-2005, 10:33 PM

You still havn't signed up with us. we are rockin conversions

just ask and you shall receive

webgurl · 07-25-2005, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

You still havn't signed up with us. we are rockin conversions

just ask and you shall receive

hey roger , yes been dealing with mitch thanks

wedouglas · 07-25-2005, 10:34 PM

Asking for access to stuff others might not have isnt "grunt work." Its an advantage. I'll submit all day if I have content that others don't. Oh yeah, and it's true about the beta sites. Mad signups on those. You're pushing never before seen stuff. It's hot.

webgurl · 07-25-2005, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Asking for access to stuff others might not have isnt "grunt work."

sorry i think you misunderstood what i meant but thats ok

venus · 07-25-2005, 11:37 PM

Allot of webmasters dont need promo material. Not everyone relies on TGP's you know. A really good placed text link will do wonders.
But I know I cant tell anyone on GFY that..

you want to convert traffic, do something different then the other 10,000 people .. have any of you taken a look at TGP's recently... they are nothing but the same exact content posted by 100 other webmasters to the same million tgp's. You can make good money, using the right site and some well placed text links or a banner.
How do you know what the right site is, well you test them, join some programs, advertise one site at a time and see who converts the best for that paticular traffic. Dont get mad over not having a million pics to post to the same tgp's ... do something different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

There is nothing worst then seeing a
half ass program come out with nothing to use for promo materials.
The majority of webmasters will give you one shot and
you'll be damn lucky if they return to your program for a 2nd look

venus · 07-25-2005, 11:39 PM

about time... someone who knows what they are doing.... didnt think there were any one GFY

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

i dont use content

wedouglas · 07-25-2005, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

about time... someone who knows what they are doing.... didnt think there were any one GFY

i think im going to promote your sites

webgurl · 07-26-2005, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

Allot of webmasters dont need promo material. Not everyone relies on TGP's you know. A really good placed text link will do wonders.
But I know I cant tell anyone on GFY that..

you want to convert traffic, do something different then the other 10,000 people .. have any of you taken a look at TGP's recently... they are nothing but the same exact content posted by 100 other webmasters to the same million tgp's. You can make good money, using the right site and some well placed text links or a banner.
How do you know what the right site is, well you test them, join some programs, advertise one site at a time and see who converts the best for that paticular traffic. Dont get mad over not having a million pics to post to the same tgp's ... do something different.

bottom line is you NEED to give out content no if whats and buts.
A simple link may work on your book but not for many others .
There is a reason why there are certain programs + sites you see on tons of tgps. Those affiliate programs are
VERY SUCCESSFULL and know what they're doing when your shit is saturated don't think these programs
are not making bank and saturation of sites is not neccessarily a bad thing .

Name one highly successfull program that does not offer free content , galleries , banners ... promo materials in general .
Plz don't say mumbojumbobucks.com i'm talking about a well known program here ....

The Ghost · 07-26-2005, 12:42 AM

Major aspects of a site not working does suck and should be addressed before launching. But we're all human and occasionally make mistakes. Just don't give up and be willing to give a program a second chance, even if it's a few months down the road.

I agree that early notification about a new program or site is great and making sure the all the content exists is extremely important

DWB · 07-26-2005, 12:48 AM

The guys who send me the most sales don't ask for content. I offer a FEW galleries but not tons. I think that is a bad idea to give out so much free content but if a webmaster does need some extra, all they have to do is ask.

bigdog · 07-26-2005, 02:55 AM

best thing for a sponsor to do is give access to their memeber area, so webmasters can get exactly what they want, it works for bangbros

reynold · 07-26-2005, 03:02 AM

Blame it to to limited input and untimely preparation.

Mako · 07-26-2005, 03:23 AM

The best affiliates never ask for 1. Hosted galleries (waaaay over saturated very quickly) or 2. Content (they prefer to use their own tried and true content, and usually their own tours also).

And that's why they're well into six-figures each year, and not posting threads on GFY asking for things that aren't needed. ;)

Dalai lama · 07-26-2005, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

I have been looking for several new programs in the past few months to promote and nothing is more
dissapointing then signing up to programs and going into the webmasters area to find empty or really lacking a) hosted galleries b) content
which is extremely important .

Advice , if you are not ready to launch your program you should keep
it in beta until you are . There is nothing worst then seeing a
half ass program come out with nothing to use for promo materials.
The majority of webmasters will give you one shot and
you'll be damn lucky if they return to your program for a 2nd look

Having no free hosted galleries or content doesnt mean the program is half done. Nowadays with the 2257 it's not likely that any new program gives out free content to any affiliate just like that. Besides that if you're a serious affiliate, all you have to do is ask.

beemk · 07-26-2005, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webgurl

bottom line is you NEED to give out content no if whats and buts.
A simple link may work on your book but not for many others .
There is a reason why there are certain programs + sites you see on tons of tgps. Those affiliate programs are
VERY SUCCESSFULL and know what they're doing when your shit is saturated don't think these programs
are not making bank and saturation of sites is not neccessarily a bad thing .

Name one highly successfull program that does not offer free content , galleries , banners ... promo materials in general .
Plz don't say mumbojumbobucks.com i'm talking about a well known program here ....

mumbojumbo bucks

beemk · 07-26-2005, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

The best affiliates never ask for 1. Hosted galleries (waaaay over saturated very quickly) or 2. Content (they prefer to use their own tried and true content, and usually their own tours also).

And that's why they're well into six-figures each year, and not posting threads on GFY asking for things that aren't needed. ;)

using their own content and their own tour.... get real. why would they need to promote someone elses site with their own content and tours? you must be thinking of avs sites. i dont think anyone in this thread is referring to any avs programs.

Mako · 07-26-2005, 04:06 AM

Get real?

Want to see my tax returns beemk?

I was describing myself ace, to a tee. Sounds like you've been too insulated at PW, living off the paid listings people like myself provide for you. Would love to see you swap places with me, force you to submit/pay for listings and see if you could beat me in sales. Doubt it.

Bottom line: Unless it's exclusive content, or a solo-girl site, real gallery pros don't need a typical sponsor's lousy tours, and lousy content. And as you well know, we use our own tours so we can still get PPS commissions at the "console" level instead of the $25 "no console" tour that every TGP forces (assuming paid gallery listings, which is all I do).

Feel free to ICQ me anytime Beemk, I can continue your education as you seem a bit out of touch with the real world. And also feel free to verify anything I've said here about myself with Parney, or GTS, they'll be happy to give you the 411.

Look before you leap next time my friend.

Rui · 07-26-2005, 04:10 AM

I just love sponsors that don't have not even 1 free hosted gallery

that means lots of chances to make alot more money

Mako · 07-26-2005, 04:12 AM

As the cliche goes Rui: Anything "free" is worth exactly what you paid for it.

Why · 07-26-2005, 04:30 AM

interesting thread. i could go both ways. but i have never used free content from anyone.

beemk · 07-26-2005, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

Get real?

Want to see my tax returns beemk?

I was describing myself ace, to a tee. Sounds like you've been too insulated at PW, living off the paid listings people like myself provide for you. Would love to see you swap places with me, force you to submit/pay for listings and see if you could beat me in sales. Doubt it.

Bottom line: Unless it's exclusive content, or a solo-girl site, real gallery pros don't need a typical sponsor's lousy tours, and lousy content. And as you well know, we use our own tours so we can still get PPS commissions at the "console" level instead of the $25 "no console" tour that every TGP forces (assuming paid gallery listings, which is all I do).

Feel free to ICQ me anytime Beemk, I can continue your education as you seem a bit out of touch with the real world. And also feel free to verify anything I've said here about myself with Parney, or GTS, they'll be happy to give you the 411.

Look before you leap next time my friend.

i buy lots of paid spots myself. i dont promote anything without exclusive content, theres too many good sites out there to promote some crappy non-exclusive sites. i only buy spots because its extra income, i will take free traffic over paid spots any day. and most of my sales come from search engines. you absolutely know nothing about me if you think all my income comes from paid pinkworld listings.

bigdog · 07-26-2005, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

Get real?

Want to see my tax returns beemk?

I was describing myself ace, to a tee. Sounds like you've been too insulated at PW, living off the paid listings people like myself provide for you. Would love to see you swap places with me, force you to submit/pay for listings and see if you could beat me in sales. Doubt it.

Bottom line: Unless it's exclusive content, or a solo-girl site, real gallery pros don't need a typical sponsor's lousy tours, and lousy content. And as you well know, we use our own tours so we can still get PPS commissions at the "console" level instead of the $25 "no console" tour that every TGP forces (assuming paid gallery listings, which is all I do).

Feel free to ICQ me anytime Beemk, I can continue your education as you seem a bit out of touch with the real world. And also feel free to verify anything I've said here about myself with Parney, or GTS, they'll be happy to give you the 411.

Look before you leap next time my friend.

good points, some sponsors are still in the dark and wonder why no one will push them with their shitty tours and shitty content on tgp traffic

TondaB · 07-26-2005, 09:17 AM

Hi Webgurl -

Have you tried out Adult Date Link? We have tons of promotional material and if you find you need something we don't have. I will be more than happy to get it for you

Hit me up on ICQ if you have any questions!

Phoenix · 07-26-2005, 09:19 AM

good question...i always say if you are going to do something..do it right

mrkris · 07-26-2005, 09:29 AM

I agree. I have been promoting princess cameron and her galleries really suck... they have very few .. so for my blog site i have to post very slow otherwise I will run out in a week, lol.

seeric · 07-26-2005, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I welcome early luanches. lets me get my SE shit up before it gets saturated.

not all programs launch before they are ready.

se people can be notified in advance as well.

DamageX · 07-26-2005, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

I just love sponsors that don't have not even 1 free hosted gallery

that means lots of chances to make alot more money

Actually, they can have one or two. Just enough to keep most people from listing them.

Dollarmansteve · 07-26-2005, 10:35 AM

07-25-2005, 10:04 PM	#1
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	why do programs launch when they are not ready ? I have been looking for several new programs in the past few months to promote and nothing is more dissapointing then signing up to programs and going into the webmasters area to find empty or really lacking a) hosted galleries b) content which is extremely important . Advice , if you are not ready to launch your program you should keep it in beta until you are . There is nothing worst then seeing a half ass program come out with nothing to use for promo materials. The majority of webmasters will give you one shot and you'll be damn lucky if they return to your program for a 2nd look

07-25-2005, 10:05 PM	#2
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07-25-2005, 10:26 PM	#8
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07-26-2005, 03:23 AM	#23
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	The best affiliates never ask for 1. Hosted galleries (waaaay over saturated very quickly) or 2. Content (they prefer to use their own tried and true content, and usually their own tours also). And that's why they're well into six-figures each year, and not posting threads on GFY asking for things that aren't needed. ;) __________________

07-25-2005, 10:07 PM	#3
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	I welcome early luanches. lets me get my SE shit up before it gets saturated.

07-25-2005, 10:10 PM	#4
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07-25-2005, 10:15 PM	#6
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	we have something for everyone

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RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	You still havn't signed up with us. we are rockin conversions just ask and you shall receive

07-25-2005, 10:34 PM	#13
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Asking for access to stuff others might not have isnt "grunt work." Its an advantage. I'll submit all day if I have content that others don't. Oh yeah, and it's true about the beta sites. Mad signups on those. You're pushing never before seen stuff. It's hot.

07-26-2005, 12:48 AM	#20
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	The guys who send me the most sales don't ask for content. I offer a FEW galleries but not tons. I think that is a bad idea to give out so much free content but if a webmaster does need some extra, all they have to do is ask.

07-26-2005, 02:55 AM	#21
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	best thing for a sponsor to do is give access to their memeber area, so webmasters can get exactly what they want, it works for bangbros

07-26-2005, 03:02 AM	#22
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Blame it to to limited input and untimely preparation.

07-26-2005, 04:06 AM	#27
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	Get real? Want to see my tax returns beemk? I was describing myself ace, to a tee. Sounds like you've been too insulated at PW, living off the paid listings people like myself provide for you. Would love to see you swap places with me, force you to submit/pay for listings and see if you could beat me in sales. Doubt it. Bottom line: Unless it's exclusive content, or a solo-girl site, real gallery pros don't need a typical sponsor's lousy tours, and lousy content. And as you well know, we use our own tours so we can still get PPS commissions at the "console" level instead of the $25 "no console" tour that every TGP forces (assuming paid gallery listings, which is all I do). Feel free to ICQ me anytime Beemk, I can continue your education as you seem a bit out of touch with the real world. And also feel free to verify anything I've said here about myself with Parney, or GTS, they'll be happy to give you the 411. Look before you leap next time my friend. __________________

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Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	I just love sponsors that don't have not even 1 free hosted gallery that means lots of chances to make alot more money

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Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	interesting thread. i could go both ways. but i have never used free content from anyone.

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