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rezdesign · 07-24-2005, 01:36 PM

looks like crap to me, i'm not feeling the colors..

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

You made them revise the design 15 times? No wonder it looks stripped down. You are delusional and a designers nightmare and they should have charged you triple or refused your business.

Yes i did.

However, you seem to have missed the fact that in the first post is the ORIGINAL design they gave us and, a few posts above this one, are the revisions.

Theres no difference between the original and the revisions as far as i can tell, quality wise or are you looking at some other layouts?

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 01:39 PM

Before people respond to this thread they should realise that the design is 2 years old and that when Lee was advising Blue Design on what he wanted he got hit by a hurricane which caused a breakdown in communication.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Before people respond to this thread they should realise that the design is 2 years old and that when Lee was advising Blue Design on what he wanted he got hit by a hurricane which caused a breakdown in communication.

2 years or 2 centuries, the work quality is still crap

Regards,

Lee

TheDoc · 07-24-2005, 01:42 PM

15 times is a bit much.. Not sure which side should have called it quits first. After the 2nd or 3rd you should have made them start over fully, maybe worked out a deal for a higher quality site with a price break.

I would have just told ya to piss off to be honest and cut my loss on the design work.

chazer · 07-24-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

Had it been their usual quality they would have been paid $550 for it.

Regards,

Lee

If thats all they where charging you should pay them.

It's not all that great design, but it's not that bad either. You get what you pay for.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

15 times is a bit much.. Not sure which side should have called it quits first. After the 2nd or 3rd you should have made them start over fully, maybe worked out a deal for a higher quality site with a price break.

I would have just told ya to piss off to be honest and cut my loss on the design work.

Agreed thing is, im a perfectionist and the revisions were more about the 'quality' not the actual layout.

I beleive Andrew is also classfiying 'change this font, add this text, thats spelt wrong' as 'revisions'.

As you can see, there are only 3 versions of the main page in their portfolio

Regards,

Lee

MickeyG · 07-24-2005, 01:46 PM

I wouldn't pay for that shit either, it looks like crap. But then again a deal is a deal.. tough call.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 01:46 PM

I should say also, if Andrew isnt counting typos, text changes and font changes as 'revisions' he is more than welcome to post the othe missing 12 revisions he did for us

Regards,

Lee

Cory W · 07-24-2005, 01:46 PM

I can't believe this is over $550.

Andrew,

If you are charging $550 for work now, please hit me up.

Matt 26z · 07-24-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Design is subjective. Sometimes you have to pay even if you are not happy.

LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

BiggleJones · 07-24-2005, 01:59 PM

I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the rest BDS sites.

...But Lee, if you hadnt been such an asshole in your first post without any samples to back it up or if you made this thread a year and a half ago, more people would be on your side. But you didnt. And ss a designer, I would have told you to fuck off a long time ago.

...its over...stop crying about it alaready.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones

I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the rest BDS sites.

...But Lee, if you hadnt been such an asshole in your first post without any samples to back it up or if you made this thread a year and a half ago, more people would be on your side. But you didnt. And ss a designer, I would have told you to fuck off a long time ago.

...its over...stop crying about it alaready.

Andrew posted the sample, yet everyone was to blinded by the 'drama' to actually bother looking at the quality, Andrew has also been board stalking me for almost 2 years calling me a scammer, this is long overdue restitution on my part, as of yet Andrew still hasnt addressed the issues, lets just hope this causes him some lost work. Im not going to see anything from any of this but hopefully it will make others think twice before using Blue Design Studios for their design services.

Given the amount of crap i have gotten in the last 2 years over this crap i think its only just and fair that Andrew receives a small portion in return, wouldnt you say?

Regards,

Lee

xxxice · 07-24-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vanderweb

What did i miss ?

Wow I just took a nap still don't know what is going on and 2 pages already

Cory W · 07-24-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

Do you deal with a designer if they want payment upfront?

basschick · 07-24-2005, 02:12 PM

so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how grainy things are.

i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.

i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with these.

thaifan99 · 07-24-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Do you deal with a designer if they want payment upfront?

If they`re well known........50% up front is no biggie.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99

If they`re well known........50% up front is no biggie.

We usually give sharky 100% upfront because we know his work is of a high standard, same with Webin they have excellent work to, BDS was also supposed to be a well reccomended designer

Regards,

Lee

xxxdesign-net · 07-24-2005, 02:17 PM

Splash pages look good.. I like the 2nd and 3rd ones..

banner and main layout not that hot.. especially if you paid big $ ..

By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced...

Roald · 07-24-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Do you deal with a designer if they want payment upfront?

nothing wrong with asking half upfront imo, designers seem to get burned a lot by clients not paying and simply dissapearing.

On the other hand I had a client who asked for a paysite last week and I came up with 2 diffrent setups for him. He didn't like it so we agreed on refunding half of the ammount he paid upfront and we went both our ways without hard feelings. The guy had in mind very clearly what he wanted but it was hard for me to get it in a design, nothing wrong with that but it can be a bitch for a designer.

Things like this happen and in no way I would have came up with 15 diffrent revisions. Bitching about it for 2 years isn't making either of you looking good

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-24-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

There is a professional trade organization in the graphic design field called AIGA (The American Institute of Graphic Artists), which represents over 15,000 accredited professional graphic designers. The "total bullshit" (as you call it) position that I set forth is based upon AIGA's fair practice guidelines.

If you would like to learn about AIGA and fair design practices, their web site is www.AIGA.org - I have linked a section titled:
A Client's Guide to Design:
How to get the most out of the process, which some of you may find beneficial to understand how the graphic design industry actually works (as opposed to how you wish it would work).

Several people obviously have a misconception about design services. In a perfect world, every client is 100% satisfied with every design. In the end, that doesn't always happen. The client is still liable for payment (that's why many professional firms charge 50% upfront to new clients).

I'm not interested in continuing to argue with anyone, especially if they refuse to take the time to understand how the design industry actually operates.

Since I don't see either party changing their position, I can only conclude that:

BDS did the work, and did not intend to rip-off European Webmasters (which in another point I made, still only exists in name...why is that?).

European Webmasters is guilty of contracting for a service which was performed, and refuses to pay for it.

If anyone has been ripped off, it's BDS.

ADG Webmaster

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:43 PM

Some of you have commented on the color scheme, this is what Lee said in feb 2004:

As it stands we are looking to get a design similar in layout to www.gaywidewebmasters.com although we want to keep the existing color scheme on European Webmasters for this new design.

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:45 PM

Lee told us he liked the design - if Lee had any quality concerns when the design was done, he certainly had a funny way of saying it, this is what he told me after we did a range of versions for him to choose from:

#3 is the one we like

Couple of small changes though that will need to be made.

1) Please select your country to enter needs to go.

2) The navigation on the bottom, can you have that changed to graphics in a similar style to that on the index1 version however, we still need the flags to remain where they are and also to be in their own cell as they are now so we can change them around.

3) Also on the logo itself can you move the logo text further up in the arc and then move the logo further down the page, does that make sense?

I think once thats done we're good to go on the splash page

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:46 PM

And here we have Lee listing some of the changes he wants - once again no mention about quality a year and a half ago:

Few changes that need to be made to the main page design on EW.

Can find a screengrab of these marked changes at:

http://www.webmasteradvertising.com/ewsample.jpg

1) Logo needs to be smaller.. its just to big atm

2) Header height needs to be made smaller again, just to much of the page being wasted by the header right now

3) The cut corner needs to be removed, just looks naff

4) Navigation should form part of the header itself like it does on www.gaywidewebmasters.com makes it easier for us to use ssi on the site then

5) Dont really like that effect as a page opening

6) Needs to have some kind of footer to close the page off instead of just 'ending'

7) Text there should be graphical as a part of the actual image, prefer it to read 'Hot Sites'

8) Text again should be graphical as (7) above, prefer it to read ' Industry News'

9) Need to have some sort of background shading instead of just a white space to put text in bro.

10) As it stands the way the page is cut wont make it possible for me to fit an annual spot like we have on the directory + forums of GWW, that needs to be changed so we can put a 740x60 banner rotation between the page header and the main body of each page.

11) Page needs to be wider, prefer it to be 740 pixels in width

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:47 PM

And here you have it, the last thing I ever heard from Lee before a hurricane one year later caused him to not contact me ever again

the map on the main page logo in the top right still needs to come out of the brown background more
other than that i think we are done

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign

looks like crap to me, i'm not feeling the colors..

did Lee tell you that he choose the colors? He was very happy with them at the time

Roald · 07-24-2005, 02:51 PM

Next time ask for an upfront payment ;)))

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thaifan99

Layout idea was fine fine..but colour scheme / text/ quality didnt cut it.

Lee provided the layout and text - did he forget to mention that?

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

And here we have Lee listing some of the changes he wants - once again no mention about quality a year and a half ago:

Few changes that need to be made to the main page design on EW.

Can find a screengrab of these marked changes at:

http://www.webmasteradvertising.com/ewsample.jpg

1) Logo needs to be smaller.. its just to big atm

2) Header height needs to be made smaller again, just to much of the page being wasted by the header right now

3) The cut corner needs to be removed, just looks naff

4) Navigation should form part of the header itself like it does on www.gaywidewebmasters.com makes it easier for us to use ssi on the site then

5) Dont really like that effect as a page opening

6) Needs to have some kind of footer to close the page off instead of just 'ending'

7) Text there should be graphical as a part of the actual image, prefer it to read 'Hot Sites'

8) Text again should be graphical as (7) above, prefer it to read ' Industry News'

9) Need to have some sort of background shading instead of just a white space to put text in bro.

10) As it stands the way the page is cut wont make it possible for me to fit an annual spot like we have on the directory + forums of GWW, that needs to be changed so we can put a 740x60 banner rotation between the page header and the main body of each page.

11) Page needs to be wider, prefer it to be 740 pixels in width

Where are those changes BTW?

It still looks crap no matter what you say, who did you outsource the work to?

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 02:58 PM

Now lets address the quality shall we?

Would you say the quality of that design is your usual standard? A simple yes or no will suffice

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

The sites dont look like his other design examples ( but if you wanted one of his examples why didnt you just ask for it ) the designs are fine, but it seems its because he was trying to fit a "scheme" he had discussed with you ( i.e. colors etc )

You liked most of it, but suddenly feel you can cancel the whole deal because of a few details you didnt like ?

Did you discuss making changes with him first ? did you discuss any of the problems with him ?

As you can see from my transcripts of the situation above, Lee was very happy with the design at the time, and never mentioned any issues he claims to have about quality.

The design was using Lee's color scheme, text, layout etc - and the ones you're seeing now are after all his changes - which we did, as per his requests.

Lee never discussed any problems he had, unfortunatly due to miscommunication, Lee has been unable to respond to my emails / icq for 1.5 years now

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:05 PM

Lee - your design was made by our flagship designer, who designed many of our most popular sites i.e. Sunny Leone

Any attempts you've made to single out quality has backfired - why? because you provided the colors, text, gave direction to the layout etc - and after countless changes, what's left is a representation of whatever you had in mind for this site.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Any attempts you've made to single out quality has backfired

Sorry, GFY disagrees with you Andrew..

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Originally Posted by Dalai lama

banners & main.html looks like it could use more work

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs

I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like

the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted

samples.

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding

work".
The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a

pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new

graphists do .

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

The sites dont look like his other design examples

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

I will agree that the main page and banners need work.

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Originally Posted by Gunni

not the best design from them for sure

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did

something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you

didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy

with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an

electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning

lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once

the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way

around.

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Originally Posted by Godsmack

I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it

was outsourced? :-)

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

it looks stripped down.

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Originally Posted by rezdesign

looks like crap to me

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Originally Posted by chazer

It's not all that great design

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Originally Posted by MickeyG

I wouldn't pay for that shit either

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies

they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones

I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point

about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the

rest BDS sites.

Quote:

Originally Posted by basschick

so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how

grainy things are.

i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers

have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally

other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.

i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with

these.

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

banner and main layout not that hot

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced...

Or are you saying that all of those people are wrong too?

If it were just me saying the design quality was shit, i could give some leighway here but it isnt, ask yourself why?

Regards,

Lee

wjxxx · 07-24-2005, 03:11 PM

You ordered, they designed, you didn`t pay.
you = scammer. end of the story

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:11 PM

Lee if I went here finding all the posts of people who realise you're a scammer, I'd be here forever, I'm not going to waste my time doing that.. the site has been posted, you have repeatedly said you would pay for it - the sooner you can wrap this up the less damage you'll be doing to your reputation

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:13 PM

Lee if you had ANY concerns about quality - why did you NEVER tell me?

If you were not happy with anything in the design, you only had to say and it would be fixed.

That's why I don't buy your excuses, you have a different one each time you get cornered - and don't you think it's a bit weak that you have never responded to my emails / icq's on the issue? which is why we're here at GFY, because you didn't respond to my emails / icqs for over a year

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Lee if I went here finding all the posts of people who realise you're a scammer, I'd be here forever, I'm not going to waste my time doing that.. the site has been posted, you have repeatedly said you would pay for it - the sooner you can wrap this up the less damage you'll be doing to your reputation

Its been wrapped up by me..

You delivered low quality shit to us, you arent getting paid, end of story.

Keep on posting, the more people that know about you outsourcing design work the better, perhaps they will go to designers with skills 100% of the time like Webinc and AAAAdultDesigns.

For the record, if Todd or Sharky had delivered work of the same 'quality' as what you did, they wouldnt have been paid by us either, the difference is, they never have.

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

Lee if you had ANY concerns about quality - why did you NEVER tell me?

If you were not happy with anything in the design, you only had to say and it would be fixed.

That's why I don't buy your excuses, you have a different one each time you get cornered - and don't you think it's a bit weak that you have never responded to my emails / icq's on the issue? which is why we're here at GFY, because you didn't respond to my emails / icqs for over a year

You need to speak to your business partner, Wade, he was made fully aware of 'quality' issues when we last spoke.

The fact he never passed that information on to you is hardly *MY* problem now is it

Sounds like you may have some kind of internal breakdown of communication that you need to address.

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:16 PM

So lee you never answered:

1) why did you never tell me about any concerns you may have had with the quality of the design?

2) why did you not respond to my emails / icq's for over a year?

C'mon, GFY would like to know...

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

So lee you never answered:

1) why did you never tell me about any concerns you may have had with the quality of the design?

2) why did you not respond to my emails / icq's for over a year?

C'mon, GFY would like to know...

1) Because Wade was aware of them.
2) Because you fucked up by going to GFY, i want nothing more to do with you, as i say, its your loss not mine, to the tune of $550.

Perhaps next time you will think twice before outsourcing work to a third party.

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

You need to speak to your business partner, Wade, he was made fully aware of 'quality' issues when we last spoke.

The fact he never passed that information on to you is hardly *MY* problem now is it

Sounds like you may have some kind of internal breakdown of communication that you need to address.

Regards,

Lee

So are you saying it's my fault you have never responded to my emails / icq's?

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 03:19 PM

Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that.

Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong.

People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for.

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

1) Because Wade was aware of them.
2) Because you fucked up by going to GFY, i want nothing more to do with you, as i say, its your loss not mine, to the tune of $550.

Perhaps next time you will think twice before outsourcing work to a third party.

Regards,

Lee

You told Wade that you would pay for the design first before any changes were made - and you've never stuck to your word on this.

I FUCKED UP by going to GFY??????
So you were planning to respond to my emails / icq's in how many years????

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

So are you saying it's my fault you have never responded to my emails / icq's?

Yes.

You took it to GFY, private business should be handled, strangely enough, in private.

You fuck with me, i cut you off, it really is that simple and now, everyone knows that you are an idiot who tries to pass off low-quality designs on to your clients in the hopes that GFY will force them in to paying for the shoddy work.

Again, your loss not mine, im done with you

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that.

Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong.

People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for.

Please show me where i asked Andrew for 'a low quality design that isnt on par with your current portfolio' if you can do that ill glady pay the outstanding $550

The problem is, you cant

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that.

Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong.

People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for.

BINGO!!!

The design met all of Lee's objectives, workign around a complex range of issues Lee has, we dont' design for GFY, we design for the client - Lee was 100% satisfied at the time, it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks of the design, if Lee is the (paying) client and says he is happy ... then

WTF MORE CAN I DO????

BlueDesignStudios · 07-24-2005, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Yes.

You took it to GFY, private business should be handled, strangely enough, in private.

You fuck with me, i cut you off, it really is that simple and now, everyone knows that you are an idiot who tries to pass off low-quality designs on to your clients in the hopes that GFY will force them in to paying for the shoddy work.

Again, your loss not mine, im done with you

Regards,

Lee

lee - when you ignore my icq and emails for over a year, what shoudl I do, keep chasing you like an idiot?

Brujah · 07-24-2005, 03:29 PM

Wade is a kick-ass designer if I remember from even years and years ago. I can't believe that he designed that main.shtml page.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Wade is a kick-ass designer if I remember from even years and years ago. I can't believe that he designed that main.shtml page.

It must be true, Andrew says so

Regards,

Lee

Brujah · 07-24-2005, 03:31 PM

I do think it's mostly a communication problem. Lee may have been trying to communicate what he felt might improve the design of the main.shtml page ? BDS seemed to feel he was very happy with the design except for some specific things which they tried to provide him with. The drama after the fact is really too bad. Kiss and make up!

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rezdesign Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,502	looks like crap to me, i'm not feeling the colors.. __________________ Professional Web Design and Programming: xDesignStudio.com

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Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	Before people respond to this thread they should realise that the design is 2 years old and that when Lee was advising Blue Design on what he wanted he got hit by a hurricane which caused a breakdown in communication. __________________

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	15 times is a bit much.. Not sure which side should have called it quits first. After the 2nd or 3rd you should have made them start over fully, maybe worked out a deal for a higher quality site with a price break. I would have just told ya to piss off to be honest and cut my loss on the design work. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	I should say also, if Andrew isnt counting typos, text changes and font changes as 'revisions' he is more than welcome to post the othe missing 12 revisions he did for us Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

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Cory W Deeply shallow Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood, Ca. Posts: 9,133	I can't believe this is over $550. Andrew, If you are charging $550 for work now, please hit me up. __________________ ICQ: 292310358 Offering writing and content services (mainstream). Marketing for L3 Payments

07-24-2005, 01:46 PM	#58
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	I wouldn't pay for that shit either, it looks like crap. But then again a deal is a deal.. tough call.

07-24-2005, 01:59 PM	#62
BiggleJones Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Downtown LA Posts: 2,276	I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the rest BDS sites. ...But Lee, if you hadnt been such an asshole in your first post without any samples to back it up or if you made this thread a year and a half ago, more people would be on your side. But you didnt. And ss a designer, I would have told you to fuck off a long time ago. ...its over...stop crying about it alaready. __________________ ICQ-291.596.343

07-24-2005, 02:12 PM	#66
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how grainy things are. i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it. i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with these. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

07-24-2005, 02:17 PM	#69
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Splash pages look good.. I like the 2nd and 3rd ones.. banner and main layout not that hot.. especially if you paid big $ .. By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced... Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 07-24-2005 at 02:19 PM..

07-24-2005, 02:43 PM	#72
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	These are Lee's comments on the design Some of you have commented on the color scheme, this is what Lee said in feb 2004: As it stands we are looking to get a design similar in layout to www.gaywidewebmasters.com although we want to keep the existing color scheme on European Webmasters for this new design. __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 02:45 PM	#73
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	These are Lee's comments on the design Lee told us he liked the design - if Lee had any quality concerns when the design was done, he certainly had a funny way of saying it, this is what he told me after we did a range of versions for him to choose from: #3 is the one we like Couple of small changes though that will need to be made. 1) Please select your country to enter needs to go. 2) The navigation on the bottom, can you have that changed to graphics in a similar style to that on the index1 version however, we still need the flags to remain where they are and also to be in their own cell as they are now so we can change them around. 3) Also on the logo itself can you move the logo text further up in the arc and then move the logo further down the page, does that make sense? I think once thats done we're good to go on the splash page __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 02:46 PM	#74
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	These are Lee's comments on the design And here we have Lee listing some of the changes he wants - once again no mention about quality a year and a half ago: Few changes that need to be made to the main page design on EW. Can find a screengrab of these marked changes at: http://www.webmasteradvertising.com/ewsample.jpg 1) Logo needs to be smaller.. its just to big atm 2) Header height needs to be made smaller again, just to much of the page being wasted by the header right now 3) The cut corner needs to be removed, just looks naff 4) Navigation should form part of the header itself like it does on www.gaywidewebmasters.com makes it easier for us to use ssi on the site then 5) Dont really like that effect as a page opening 6) Needs to have some kind of footer to close the page off instead of just 'ending' 7) Text there should be graphical as a part of the actual image, prefer it to read 'Hot Sites' 8) Text again should be graphical as (7) above, prefer it to read ' Industry News' 9) Need to have some sort of background shading instead of just a white space to put text in bro. 10) As it stands the way the page is cut wont make it possible for me to fit an annual spot like we have on the directory + forums of GWW, that needs to be changed so we can put a 740x60 banner rotation between the page header and the main body of each page. 11) Page needs to be wider, prefer it to be 740 pixels in width __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 02:47 PM	#75
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	These are Lee's comments on the design And here you have it, the last thing I ever heard from Lee before a hurricane one year later caused him to not contact me ever again the map on the main page logo in the top right still needs to come out of the brown background more other than that i think we are done __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 02:51 PM	#77
Roald SecretFriends.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: IMC Headquarters Posts: 27,888	Next time ask for an upfront payment ;))) __________________ WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME ClubSweethearts \| ManUpFilms \| SinfulXXX \| HOT * AdultPrime * HOT Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com \| telegram: roaldr

07-24-2005, 02:58 PM	#80
European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	Now lets address the quality shall we? Would you say the quality of that design is your usual standard? A simple yes or no will suffice Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

07-24-2005, 03:05 PM	#82
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	Lee - your design was made by our flagship designer, who designed many of our most popular sites i.e. Sunny Leone Any attempts you've made to single out quality has backfired - why? because you provided the colors, text, gave direction to the layout etc - and after countless changes, what's left is a representation of whatever you had in mind for this site. __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 03:11 PM	#84
wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	You ordered, they designed, you didn`t pay. you = scammer. end of the story

07-24-2005, 03:13 PM	#86
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	Lee if you had ANY concerns about quality - why did you NEVER tell me? If you were not happy with anything in the design, you only had to say and it would be fixed. That's why I don't buy your excuses, you have a different one each time you get cornered - and don't you think it's a bit weak that you have never responded to my emails / icq's on the issue? which is why we're here at GFY, because you didn't respond to my emails / icqs for over a year __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 03:16 PM	#89
BlueDesignStudios Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 9,492	So lee you never answered: 1) why did you never tell me about any concerns you may have had with the quality of the design? 2) why did you not respond to my emails / icq's for over a year? C'mon, GFY would like to know... __________________ Blue Design Studios - Adult Design Specialists! Email me for a free quote: [email protected]

07-24-2005, 03:19 PM	#92
Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	Lee from the transcripts that have been posted it seems as though you asked for it o be like that. Can you also stop quoting me out of context with regard to this as I now think you are totally in the wrong. People may not like the way it is designed but that is what you asked for. __________________

07-24-2005, 03:29 PM	#98
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Wade is a kick-ass designer if I remember from even years and years ago. I can't believe that he designed that main.shtml page. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-24-2005, 03:31 PM	#100
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	I do think it's mostly a communication problem. Lee may have been trying to communicate what he felt might improve the design of the main.shtml page ? BDS seemed to feel he was very happy with the design except for some specific things which they tried to provide him with. The drama after the fact is really too bad. Kiss and make up! __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com