BREAKING NEWS: Blue Design Studios Updates Their Portfolio - GoFuckYourself.com

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:25 AM

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/1/index.html
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/2/index.html
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...w_banners.html

High quality work for sure

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/portfolio.php

Who wouldnt accept such great work when compared to the excellent stuff that have in their portfolio?

Maybe now this drama will be resolved, Andrew, you delivered sub-par work, not of a quality expected from you, grainy and pixellated banners, amateur looking layouts, looks like you outsourced our work.

Lets see how many people agree this looks like the usual standard of work in your portfolio because, wuite franlly if they do, they are smoking more crack than you.

Regards,

Lee

xxxice · 07-24-2005, 11:27 AM

What did i miss ?

Funky Bastard · 07-24-2005, 11:29 AM

How much was that going to set you back?

Theo · 07-24-2005, 11:30 AM

creta island is missing!

CaptainHowdy · 07-24-2005, 11:31 AM

Come awww, come awww!!...

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

How much was that going to set you back?

Had it been their usual quality they would have been paid $550 for it.

Regards,

Lee

Dalai lama · 07-24-2005, 11:32 AM

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

doesnt look that bad

it's just that they forget the dutch flag

banners & main.html looks like it could use more work

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalai lama

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

doesnt look that bad

it's just that they forget the dutch flag

banners & main.html looks like it could use more work

Agreed the splash page wasnt the problem it was the banners and the main.shtml that was.

The splash was basically the same version as what EW already had, they just swapped images around.

Regards,

Lee

Brujah · 07-24-2005, 11:35 AM

I really like this splash page.
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

The colors are kind of lame though, is that your sites colors already ? What's with the logo looking kind of like a star trek symbol ? I guess I'm not getting that.

thaifan99 · 07-24-2005, 11:35 AM

Layout idea was fine fine..but colour scheme / text/ quality didnt cut it.

mrthumbs · 07-24-2005, 11:36 AM

I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either: could do it myself.

Brujah · 07-24-2005, 11:36 AM

I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted samples. The colors though, ick.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I really like this splash page.
http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

The colors are kind of lame though, is that your sites colors already ? What's with the logo looking kind of like a star trek symbol ? I guess I'm not getting that.

The color scheme we told them to use were blue, grey and orange.

Again, the splash isnt really the problem here, they did 3 versions and we pretty much liked all 3 versions, its the rest of the shit we had problems with

Waiting to see how BDS explain this shoddy workmanship away

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio

Think that could be why Andrew was avoiding posting the links himself?

I mean, if they had nothing to hide and all that

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 11:40 AM

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

I like that design. Allowing you had communication problems with them and couldnt relay to them what you wanted I think they have done an excellent job.

It was a breakdown in communication and hurricanes didnt do alot to help it but I still think it is very good.

Sawblade2dahead · 07-24-2005, 11:41 AM

Fucking europeans always bitching about something. Your probably a fag so that explains this stupid thread

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European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html

I like that design. Allowing you had communication problems with them and couldnt relay to them what you wanted I think they have done an excellent job.

It was a breakdown in communication and hurricanes didnt do alot to help it but I still think it is very good.

Again, the splash page isnt at issue here, the main pages and banners are, would you have accepted THAT quality from BDS?

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 11:43 AM

Thing is people will compare this to their paysite portfolio which is much more 'explosive' in design as it is selling to surfers. This layout needs to be practical yet stylish which I think it is.

I really dont think this situtation would be happening if you had kept talking to each other.

WhiteCash · 07-24-2005, 11:45 AM

Dont look to bad for $550. But if I was Andrew I would tell you to fuck off and not worry about it. 2 yrs is long enough to have to deal with someone trying to collect. Why is it in the 2 yrs you havnt just had it redesigned? And forgot all about blue design?

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 11:47 AM

You stopped talking to them so it made it hard for them to finish what you wanted. It is like getting someone to build you a house then you stop talking to them after they have laid the foundations and you complain when it is a few bedrooms short and missing a bathroom.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteCash

Dont look to bad for $550. But if I was Andrew I would tell you to fuck off and not worry about it. 2 yrs is long enough to have to deal with someone trying to collect. Why is it in the 2 yrs you havnt just had it redesigned? And forgot all about blue design?

Because for 2 years BDS has been saying they delived comparable work in their portfolio and making US out to be the scammers, as it transpires, that isnt the case as you can quite clearly see from their shitty work on the main page and the banners

Regards,

Lee

Theo · 07-24-2005, 11:50 AM

rhodes island is missing too

ts ts ts

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 11:50 AM

Lee you cant compare a webmaster resource area with a pay site. Google is a shit design to the untrained eye in comparison to a pay site.

The whole idea is the functionality and the overall ergonomic set up.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Lee you cant compare a webmaster resource area with a pay site. Google is a shit design to the untrained eye in comparison to a pay site.

The whole idea is the functionality and the overall ergonomic set up.

True enough.

Instead, compare the 'design' they did for us with that of the SetGo design, another resource, im sure that ven you will agree there are significant quality differences

Hopefully Andrew will be in this thread soon explaining why we got given shitty work and maybe he will even name which outsourcing company he used for the work

Regards,

Lee

greentea · 07-24-2005, 11:52 AM

European Pee please give it a fucking rest! bottom line is your a scammer and can't be trusted, this thread is a WASTE of bandwidth and should be deleted along with your GFY account.

Doctor Dre · 07-24-2005, 11:54 AM

I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding work".
The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new graphists do .

SmokeyTheBear · 07-24-2005, 11:58 AM

The sites dont look like his other design examples ( but if you wanted one of his examples why didnt you just ask for it ) the designs are fine, but it seems its because he was trying to fit a "scheme" he had discussed with you ( i.e. colors etc )

You liked most of it, but suddenly feel you can cancel the whole deal because of a few details you didnt like ?

Did you discuss making changes with him first ? did you discuss any of the problems with him ?

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Did you discuss making changes with him first ? did you discuss any of the problems with him ?

Yes, this is the result of around 15 revisions (Andrews own words) and it still looks like shit.

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 11:59 AM

Lee you lost communication with him so it wasnt finished how you wanted it. I think it is good it just needs some tidying up here and there.

Quashe and I are doing a site which is set to launch this week www.povstrippers.com there are gliches in this design as it is not working with the CMS properly. I am not calling him out we are working together to get it so that the design is spot on and sells well.

The key to getting a good design is to keep talking to the designer as they are trying to interpret your vision and make it an online reality.

Manowar · 07-24-2005, 12:00 PM

i'd have paid for that

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Lee you lost communication with him so it wasnt finished how you wanted it. I think it is good it just needs some tidying up here and there.

Quashe and I are doing a site which is set to launch this week www.povstrippers.com there are gliches in this design as it is not working with the CMS properly. I am not calling him out we are working together to get it so that the design is spot on and sells well.

The key to getting a good design is to keep talking to the designer as they are trying to interpret your vision and make it an online reality.

You seem to be missing the point that Andrew bought this to GFY originally not me, i would have been willing to continue working with them on the quality issues.

That being said however, there comes a time probably after the 16th revision, that you must say enough is enough and cut your losses. if a design company cant get it right after the 15th attempt, well....

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 12:06 PM

Lee, by your own words in various threads you said you werent able to talk to them. I have seen this before in design. It was a breakdown in communication. The job wasnt a standard job for them but I think what they have done is good. the front splash is excellent. I will agree that the main page and banners need work. Other than that there is nothing wrong.

Gunni · 07-24-2005, 12:10 PM

not the best design from them for sure, also it is missing Iceland!!

badmunchkin · 07-24-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

Who wouldnt accept such great work when compared to the excellent stuff that have in their portfolio?

Maybe now this drama will be resolved, Andrew, you delivered sub-par work, not of a quality expected from you, grainy and pixellated banners, amateur looking layouts, looks like you outsourced our work.

Lets see how many people agree this looks like the usual standard of work in your portfolio because, wuite franlly if they do, they are smoking more crack than you.

Regards,

Lee

If you contracted them to do the work, you pay them. I'm sure they would have worked with you on revisions. There's really no excuses, you have a lot of balls to whine like you're the victim when you owe them money.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin

If you contracted them to do the work, you pay them. I'm sure they would have worked with you on revisions. There's really no excuses, you have a lot of balls to whine like you're the victim when you owe them money.

If you buy a Ferrari and instead get delivered a Ford you'd still pay $200k?

Damn why isnt Ferrari just substituting Fords when people buy a Ferrari, they'd make a killing if they did

Regards,

Lee

Sawblade2dahead · 07-24-2005, 12:20 PM

Fucking europeans always bitching about something. You probably a fags so that explains this stupid thread

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Trev_UK · 07-24-2005, 12:34 PM

It's understandable why Blue Design were in no hurry to post those samples, the quality is below piss poor in comparison to the work they've done else where.

I'd have shit canned those designs and the designer if they were done for me!

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK

It's understandable why Blue Design were in no hurry to post those samples, the quality is below piss poor in comparison to the work they've done else where.

I'd have shit canned those designs and the designer if they were done for me!

The designs are over 2 years old and unfinished.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

and unfinished.

His name was B-I-N-G-O

Yet they still want paying for unfinished work whilst making me look like a scammer.

Out of interest, how many revisions in your opinion should have been done before the work would have been accepted? 10,15,30,100?

Just curious to know the answer to that one

Regards,

Lee

TheDoc · 07-24-2005, 12:41 PM

The design isn't bad at all, if anything they only needed to clean some text up.. It's for sure not a project you should have paid without getting your adjustments first.

I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way around.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-24-2005, 12:41 PM

I don't think I have ever commented on this long drawn out drama. I am not involved in business with either side, nor do I know anyone personally from either side, or have any beef with either party.

Here are my unbiased observations and opinions...

It looks like BDS provided you with a design, so you should provide them with the money you owe them for their creative services.

If they re-designed it 15 times, then you definitely owe them money. Most design firms may give you two concepts initially to choose from, and then they will generally only change the one that you select once or twice. After that they may charge you for change orders.

It seems as if BDS went out of their way to accomodate you. Design is subjective. Sometimes you have to pay even if you are not happy. Designers should not be expected to work for free. If you are unsatisfied with their work then don't work with them in the future. You still have to pay them though.

I noticed the EuropeanWebmasters.com site is still not online, which might cause some to think that you decided to postpone/scrap that site, which might really be the reason you are not paying.

I also took a look at your GayWideWebmasters site. The design doesn't seem substantially better than the BDS design, and since art is subjective, one could argue it is worse than what BDS designed for you.

The bottom line is, it looks like BDS provided you with a design, so you should provide them with the money you owe them for their creative services.

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European Lee · 07-24-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The design isn't bad at all, if anything they only needed to clean some text up.. It's for sure not a project you should have paid without getting your adjustments first.

I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way around.

Get out of here... GFY has no place for people speaking common sense

Regards,

Lee

TheDoc · 07-24-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Get out of here... GFY has no place for people speaking common sense

Regards,

Lee

I will give ya another bump, common sense posts always seems to kill threads around here.

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I will give ya another bump, common sense posts always seems to kill threads around here.

LOL im expecting this thread to drop like flies anyway, it seems people only like threads about me when they put me in a negative view.

Guess people love to hate me on GFY

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-24-2005, 12:56 PM

Lee you stopped talking to them, how could they have finished the designs?

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

Lee you stopped talking to them, how could they have finished the designs?

They did 15 revisions already, how much more of my time should i have wasted on them?

They certainly werent going to recompense me for my time in doing revisions with them again, how long would you work with any designer to get something right? It seems to me, 15 revisions is way more than enough to get something right by ANY designer, even an outsourcing company can deliver something half decent after the 2nd or 3rd revision.

Regards,

Lee

European Lee · 07-24-2005, 01:00 PM

I just found some of the 'revisions' too here ya go..

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html

http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html

Any significant change in the quality of those revisions that you can see?

If you can see a change in quality please let me know, because i certainly cant.

Regards,

Lee

Godsmack · 07-24-2005, 01:09 PM

I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it was outsourced? :-)

kektex · 07-24-2005, 01:24 PM

I agree with regards to the main page...I wouldn`t like it either.

cherrylula · 07-24-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

Yes, this is the result of around 15 revisions (Andrews own words) and it still looks like shit.

Regards,

Lee

You made them revise the design 15 times? No wonder it looks stripped down. You are delusional and a designers nightmare and they should have charged you triple or refused your business.

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European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	BREAKING NEWS: Blue Design Studios Updates Their Portfolio http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/1/index.html http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/2/index.html http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...w_banners.html High quality work for sure http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/portfolio.php Who wouldnt accept such great work when compared to the excellent stuff that have in their portfolio? Maybe now this drama will be resolved, Andrew, you delivered sub-par work, not of a quality expected from you, grainy and pixellated banners, amateur looking layouts, looks like you outsourced our work. Lets see how many people agree this looks like the usual standard of work in your portfolio because, wuite franlly if they do, they are smoking more crack than you. Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

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Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/...s/3/index.html I like that design. Allowing you had communication problems with them and couldnt relay to them what you wanted I think they have done an excellent job. It was a breakdown in communication and hurricanes didnt do alot to help it but I still think it is very good. __________________

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Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	Thing is people will compare this to their paysite portfolio which is much more 'explosive' in design as it is selling to surfers. This layout needs to be practical yet stylish which I think it is. I really dont think this situtation would be happening if you had kept talking to each other. __________________

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WhiteCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ICQ 220962302 whitestats.com whitestats.com Posts: 118	Dont look to bad for $550. But if I was Andrew I would tell you to fuck off and not worry about it. 2 yrs is long enough to have to deal with someone trying to collect. Why is it in the 2 yrs you havnt just had it redesigned? And forgot all about blue design? __________________ Got Celeb Traffic ICQ ME 220962302. We will convert it for you

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Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	Lee you lost communication with him so it wasnt finished how you wanted it. I think it is good it just needs some tidying up here and there. Quashe and I are doing a site which is set to launch this week www.povstrippers.com there are gliches in this design as it is not working with the CMS properly. I am not calling him out we are working together to get it so that the design is spot on and sells well. The key to getting a good design is to keep talking to the designer as they are trying to interpret your vision and make it an online reality. __________________

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Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	Lee, by your own words in various threads you said you werent able to talk to them. I have seen this before in design. It was a breakdown in communication. The job wasnt a standard job for them but I think what they have done is good. the front splash is excellent. I will agree that the main page and banners need work. Other than that there is nothing wrong. __________________

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Trev_UK Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: UK Posts: 83	It's understandable why Blue Design were in no hurry to post those samples, the quality is below piss poor in comparison to the work they've done else where. I'd have shit canned those designs and the designer if they were done for me!

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The design isn't bad at all, if anything they only needed to clean some text up.. It's for sure not a project you should have paid without getting your adjustments first. I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy with the work. Period.. I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way around. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 07-24-2005 at 12:42 PM..

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I don't think I have ever commented on this long drawn out drama. I am not involved in business with either side, nor do I know anyone personally from either side, or have any beef with either party. Here are my unbiased observations and opinions... It looks like BDS provided you with a design, so you should provide them with the money you owe them for their creative services. If they re-designed it 15 times, then you definitely owe them money. Most design firms may give you two concepts initially to choose from, and then they will generally only change the one that you select once or twice. After that they may charge you for change orders. It seems as if BDS went out of their way to accomodate you. Design is subjective. Sometimes you have to pay even if you are not happy. Designers should not be expected to work for free. If you are unsatisfied with their work then don't work with them in the future. You still have to pay them though. I noticed the EuropeanWebmasters.com site is still not online, which might cause some to think that you decided to postpone/scrap that site, which might really be the reason you are not paying. I also took a look at your GayWideWebmasters site. The design doesn't seem substantially better than the BDS design, and since art is subjective, one could argue it is worse than what BDS designed for you. The bottom line is, it looks like BDS provided you with a design, so you should provide them with the money you owe them for their creative services. ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

07-24-2005, 12:56 PM	#45
Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	Lee you stopped talking to them, how could they have finished the designs? __________________

07-24-2005, 01:00 PM	#47
European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	I just found some of the 'revisions' too here ya go.. http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html http://www.bluedesignstudios.com/hp/.../main_eng.html Any significant change in the quality of those revisions that you can see? If you can see a change in quality please let me know, because i certainly cant. Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

07-24-2005, 01:09 PM	#48
Godsmack Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,525	I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it was outsourced? :-) __________________ Download the much improved Free Tube Script adult/mainstream tube solution for FREE!

07-24-2005, 01:24 PM	#49
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	I agree with regards to the main page...I wouldn`t like it either. __________________ exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!