If you justify the murdering of the guy in UK by the police - GoFuckYourself.com

Theo · 07-23-2005, 12:30 PM

don't say you support democracy and human rights because murdering people "just because they could be suicide bombers" is not part of these.

Operation Kratos is unconstitutional. The british rule of the law says:

- The rights of individuals are determined by legal rules and not the arbitrary behaviour of authorities.

- There can be no punishment unless a court decides there has been a breach of law.

You can try to justify all you want kratos that more likely you didn't bother to even check what it means, but the reality is that Blair it taking away your rights faster than you perceive.

polle54 · 07-23-2005, 12:36 PM

Nope you can't justify it, because you are technically right.

But there are more to it.... In this situation we are forced to bend....

And pray that shit like this will not happen again.

Relish XXX · 07-23-2005, 12:37 PM

You cant justify the murder of anyone. However under the circumstances that the UK is under at the moment I would rather have this in place ensuring that it is difficult for bombs to go off.

Theo · 07-23-2005, 12:40 PM

sorry man but you are wrong. Terrorists hit USA, Spain, Turkey and Indonesia and authorities didn't get such orders. Several arrests were made without murdering people that happened to be suspects for a moment.

alexg · 07-23-2005, 12:41 PM

sometimes some human right must be limited or harmed in the name of national security (which is also essential in any democracy). in any democracy there needs to be a good balance between human rights and national security depending on the various current circumstances.

just as an example, most countries have an army. for some it is even essential to their existance.
the army is definitely not a democratic institute. soldiers don't enjoy many civil rights. but this has to be done in the name of national security.

wedouglas · 07-23-2005, 12:41 PM

If someone just tried to blow up a bus and the police ask you to stop and you start running, you are really asking for it. you are fucking retarded if you ask me. and why are you running in the first place? you must have done something wrong.

i think its too bad what happened to him, but he played his cards very poorly given the situation

polle54 · 07-23-2005, 12:43 PM

I would rather live with the knowlegde that I will be shot if I don't stop when the police tells me to than to live in a constant fear of terror

If they don't hit down hard here, this will grow and grow because of other extremists seeing it's possible

That will cause Anarcy and destroy democracy - so it's a lose - lose situation so we might have to acknowlegde the fact that this will be a rough period.

European Lee · 07-23-2005, 12:43 PM

The guy was probably from a council estate anyway, they did the UK a favor by shooting him

They need to visit Moss Side heavily and look for individuals carrying bags that dont stop, thatll solve a lot of the crime in the Manchester area

Regards,

Lee

Relish XXX · 07-23-2005, 12:43 PM

London has been under threat of terrorist bombing for years. First the IRA now the suicide bombers. Personally I go for the shoot to kill policy. Yes mistakes are going to be made but I have no sympathy with the guy that got shot dead. He jumped a turnstyle infront of loads of police. His fault.

polle54 · 07-23-2005, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexg

sometimes some human right must be limited or harmed in the name of national security (which is also essential in any democracy). in any democracy there needs to be a good balance between human rights and national security depending on the various current circumstances.

just as an example, most countries have an army. for some it is even essential to their existance.
the army is definitely not a democratic institute. soldiers don't enjoy many civil rights. but this has to be done in the name of national security.

Good example with the Military, completely agree - Thw world isn't black and white

Gunni · 07-23-2005, 12:56 PM

you have to be pretty stupid to try and run from the police in England these days (specially on the underground). It is sad, but the question comes in mind, why did he run?
He must have done something wrong, maybe it was petty who knows, mebe he was just an illegal immigrant I don't know. But I think the officers did the right thing if they thought he had a bomb and was about to set it off, if they would've been right they wold be heros today...
I just know I wouldn't want to be a police officer and have to make such decisions, imagine if this incident leads to another situation where the officers hesitate to shoot a real suicide bomber and lots of innocent people die

thaifan99 · 07-23-2005, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

don't say you support democracy and human rights because murdering people "just because they could be suicide bombers" is not part of these.

Operation Kratos is unconstitutional. The british rule of the law says:

- The rights of individuals are determined by legal rules and not the arbitrary behaviour of authorities.

- There can be no punishment unless a court decides there has been a breach of law.

You can try to justify all you want kratos that more likely you didn't bother to even check what it means, but the reality is that Blair it taking away your rights faster than you perceive.

What you need to remember is that the police are held accountable.

If they did wrong they WILL be punished.

And as to Blair taking away rights.....I have more rights now than i have ever had!! A ton more thanks to EU legislation.

Theo · 07-23-2005, 12:58 PM

You're gonna live in a constant state of fear anyhow if you follow this path while your liberties will be taken away day after day. Life is not some right, it is the ultimate civil right and murdering is the ultimate denial of it. The first reaction after the hit was to violate this. Why don't you admit wrong handling, reconsider it than taking the chance to create a status you would hate to live? Rights are gained very hard after a lot of fights. I don't see why they should be lost over night.

I've been in army myself and life is an ultimate civil right there as well.

jmk · 07-23-2005, 01:00 PM

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07-23-2005, 12:30 PM	#1
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	If you justify the murdering of the guy in UK by the police don't say you support democracy and human rights because murdering people "just because they could be suicide bombers" is not part of these. Operation Kratos is unconstitutional. The british rule of the law says: - The rights of individuals are determined by legal rules and not the arbitrary behaviour of authorities. - There can be no punishment unless a court decides there has been a breach of law. You can try to justify all you want kratos that more likely you didn't bother to even check what it means, but the reality is that Blair it taking away your rights faster than you perceive.

07-23-2005, 12:36 PM	#2
polle54 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Beach Posts: 4,626	Nope you can't justify it, because you are technically right. But there are more to it.... In this situation we are forced to bend.... And pray that shit like this will not happen again. __________________ ICQ# 143561781

07-23-2005, 12:37 PM	#3
Relish XXX Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: www.adultlabel.com Posts: 4,904	You cant justify the murder of anyone. However under the circumstances that the UK is under at the moment I would rather have this in place ensuring that it is difficult for bombs to go off. __________________

07-23-2005, 12:41 PM	#5
alexg IL4L.com Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Israel - ICQ: 162136565 Posts: 11,287	sometimes some human right must be limited or harmed in the name of national security (which is also essential in any democracy). in any democracy there needs to be a good balance between human rights and national security depending on the various current circumstances. just as an example, most countries have an army. for some it is even essential to their existance. the army is definitely not a democratic institute. soldiers don't enjoy many civil rights. but this has to be done in the name of national security. __________________ Find fuck buddies in your area!

07-23-2005, 12:43 PM	#7
polle54 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Beach Posts: 4,626	I would rather live with the knowlegde that I will be shot if I don't stop when the police tells me to than to live in a constant fear of terror If they don't hit down hard here, this will grow and grow because of other extremists seeing it's possible That will cause Anarcy and destroy democracy - so it's a lose - lose situation so we might have to acknowlegde the fact that this will be a rough period. __________________ ICQ# 143561781

07-23-2005, 12:40 PM	#4
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	sorry man but you are wrong. Terrorists hit USA, Spain, Turkey and Indonesia and authorities didn't get such orders. Several arrests were made without murdering people that happened to be suspects for a moment.

07-23-2005, 12:41 PM	#6
wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	If someone just tried to blow up a bus and the police ask you to stop and you start running, you are really asking for it. you are fucking retarded if you ask me. and why are you running in the first place? you must have done something wrong. i think its too bad what happened to him, but he played his cards very poorly given the situation

07-23-2005, 12:43 PM	#8
European Lee Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Daytona Beach Posts: 7,133	The guy was probably from a council estate anyway, they did the UK a favor by shooting him They need to visit Moss Side heavily and look for individuals carrying bags that dont stop, thatll solve a lot of the crime in the Manchester area Regards, Lee __________________ YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!! AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT

07-23-2005, 12:56 PM	#11
Gunni Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,385	you have to be pretty stupid to try and run from the police in England these days (specially on the underground). It is sad, but the question comes in mind, why did he run? He must have done something wrong, maybe it was petty who knows, mebe he was just an illegal immigrant I don't know. But I think the officers did the right thing if they thought he had a bomb and was about to set it off, if they would've been right they wold be heros today... I just know I wouldn't want to be a police officer and have to make such decisions, imagine if this incident leads to another situation where the officers hesitate to shoot a real suicide bomber and lots of innocent people die

07-23-2005, 12:58 PM	#13
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	You're gonna live in a constant state of fear anyhow if you follow this path while your liberties will be taken away day after day. Life is not some right, it is the ultimate civil right and murdering is the ultimate denial of it. The first reaction after the hit was to violate this. Why don't you admit wrong handling, reconsider it than taking the chance to create a status you would hate to live? Rights are gained very hard after a lot of fights. I don't see why they should be lost over night. I've been in army myself and life is an ultimate civil right there as well.

07-23-2005, 01:00 PM	#14
jmk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,391	Welcome to America?!