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juanito 07-23-2005 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt_WC
If you hire someone to design stuff for you, you pay the bill PERIOD.

word!

.........

tenderobject 07-24-2005 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n
so, are we going to get to see the designs so this fucktard will be forced into paying you?


yeah so right man.. post it bluedesignstudios :) everybody loves your works! :thumbsup

jonesy 07-24-2005 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

You never once mentioned you had any concerns about the design itself or it's quality (we did around 15 versions for you and carried out all the changes you required)

And now, after two years, while I'm still unpaid for the design, you've got a new excuse.


15 VERSIONS?

WTF?

tell lee to fuck off

The Ghost 07-24-2005 01:44 AM

I guess it's time to go up and click the search button to find the designs. Not that it matters, just out of curiosity.

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 02:06 AM

do you guys really think Lee will keep his word?

It's been posted before and he still doesn't pay up

alan-l 07-24-2005 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
do you guys really think Lee will keep his word?

It's been posted before and he still doesn't pay up

OK, but now Im curious and couldn't find the post with the designs :winkwink:

graphicsbytia 07-24-2005 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Pro Sales
I guess it's time to go up and click the search button to find the designs. Not that it matters, just out of curiosity.

I was curious too.. so I looked.. didn't find them.. but I did find this where Lee said he was going to pay BDS
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...sign+Stud ios

Lee.. I've been your friend for a long time now.. but I gotta tell ya, this isn't looking good for you in my eyes

From what I understand, this whole project was only $550? Dang Lee.. how can you justify this to yourself or anyone else?

Look, I know you're trying to become the drama king of the world.. but damn hon.. don't you have any self respect at all?

If you weren't happy with the designs.. the time to bitch about it was after you paid for the work.. You not paying only makes YOU look bad.. I don't blame BDS for not posting the designs.. it wouldn't make any difference, you'd find something else to say about it after that. You know.. someone on this board, (who I hope is banned by now) did this type of thing to me

I'll tell ya.. if it were me.. and you did what you're doing, I'd be seeing you in court

graphicsbytia 07-24-2005 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graphicsbytia
I was curious too.. so I looked.. didn't find them.. but I did find this where Lee said he was going to pay BDS
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...sign+Stud ios

Lee.. I've been your friend for a long time now.. but I gotta tell ya, this isn't looking good for you in my eyes

From what I understand, this whole project was only $550? Dang Lee.. how can you justify this to yourself or anyone else?

Look, I know you're trying to become the drama king of the world.. but damn hon.. don't you have any self respect at all?

If you weren't happy with the designs.. the time to bitch about it was after you paid for the work.. You not paying only makes YOU look bad.. I don't blame BDS for not posting the designs.. it wouldn't make any difference, you'd find something else to say about it after that. You know.. someone on this board, (who I hope is banned by now) did this type of thing to me

I'll tell ya.. if it were me.. and you did what you're doing, I'd be seeing you in court

Let me just edit something I said here.. I actually wouldn't take someone to court for only $550, because it wouldn't be worth the trouble.. and I think you knew that right from the start when you decided you didn't want to pay BDS

Centurion 07-24-2005 02:38 AM

Even on acid, this thread is so FUCKING LAME!!

RyuLion 07-24-2005 03:16 AM

They did good work for me..they're in my pimp book of fame!

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graphicsbytia
I was curious too.. so I looked.. didn't find them.. but I did find this where Lee said he was going to pay BDS
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...sign+Stud ios

Lee.. I've been your friend for a long time now.. but I gotta tell ya, this isn't looking good for you in my eyes

From what I understand, this whole project was only $550? Dang Lee.. how can you justify this to yourself or anyone else?

Look, I know you're trying to become the drama king of the world.. but damn hon.. don't you have any self respect at all?

If you weren't happy with the designs.. the time to bitch about it was after you paid for the work.. You not paying only makes YOU look bad.. I don't blame BDS for not posting the designs.. it wouldn't make any difference, you'd find something else to say about it after that. You know.. someone on this board, (who I hope is banned by now) did this type of thing to me

I'll tell ya.. if it were me.. and you did what you're doing, I'd be seeing you in court

Listen to your friend Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 04:29 AM

Interesting thread you found there, 9 months old, and Lee says he will pay out of principle - wonder what happened to these principles?

Trev_UK 07-24-2005 04:55 AM

I?m also interested in seeing these designs.

kaktuz 07-24-2005 07:57 AM

shit i read it all , what do u care? bds u wont loose anything , i like your stuff also
u rule. so post it , let him pay. done , and if he doesnt pay even after gfy said its da shit , then he will be the moron after this thread closed (since he pulled it)

brand0n 07-24-2005 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
I?m also interested in seeing these designs.

and if they are up to par will you admitt you are friends with a scamming homo?

(the homo part is a lock)

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kaktuz
shit i read it all , what do u care? bds u wont loose anything , i like your stuff also
u rule. so post it , let him pay. done , and if he doesnt pay even after gfy said its da shit , then he will be the moron after this thread closed (since he pulled it)

thanks for the kudos - I will post as soon as Lee deposits the payment with a 3rd party - we've done this all before and Lee has never paid up, so I want to make sure this time we get some closure on the issue

jayeff 07-24-2005 08:25 AM

"It's your fault." "No it's not, it's yours." "Prove it." "No, you prove it." "I'm not going to prove it because that's what you want me to do." "I'm not going to prove it because that's what you want."

Repeat (with sigs) ad nauseam...

Friends and enemies are not likely to switch sides as a result of such persuasive arguments. But I wonder if people who decide to handle threads this way ever stop to think how many "bystanders" will make a note never to deal with either of the parties involved.

By way of contrast, John of NATS and Rand of ePassporte come to mind as two of the people here who actually deal with critical threads professionally and emerge with their personal credibility intact. At worst they limit the damage to their services and often turn the situation around.

Aric 07-24-2005 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff
Friends and enemies are not likely to switch sides as a result of such persuasive arguments. But I wonder if people who decide to handle threads this way ever stop to think how many "bystanders" will make a note never to deal with either of the parties involved.

I'll always do business with BDS. Once you go Blue, you never go.... hmm.. nothing rhymes .. but you get the point :pimp

MickeyG 07-24-2005 08:37 AM

POST THE FUCKING DESIGNS ALREADY

Relish XXX 07-24-2005 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MickeyG
POST THE FUCKING DESIGNS ALREADY

I second that motion. This is now pissing me off.

Trev_UK 07-24-2005 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brand0n
and if they are up to par will you admitt you are friends with a scamming homo?

(the homo part is a lock)

That isn't going to happen, plus BlueDesign have held off posting the designs for so long that they could have redone any "poor" or substandard" designs by now.

Persignup Qon 07-24-2005 09:02 AM

its sorta stupid that anyone wants to see these designs... they really don't matter. YOU place an order with designer (one that YOU have chosen probably based on their previous work), then you tell'em what YOU want, they deliver & you don't like it? you STILL OWE FOR THE TIME THEY'VE SPENT ON THE WORK YOU HIRED THEM TO DO - IT WAS YOUR CHOICE NOT TO ACCEPT IT, YOU SHOULD BARE THE COST OF THAT DECISION. its just that simple.

maybe some of you cats don't own a business or expect to maintin some sort of respectable reputation but that's how things are handled in this business (or at least how professional, reputable people handle it). done. :2 cents:




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Cory W 07-24-2005 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff
"It's your fault." "No it's not, it's yours." "Prove it." "No, you prove it." "I'm not going to prove it because that's what you want me to do." "I'm not going to prove it because that's what you want."

Repeat (with sigs) ad nauseam...

Friends and enemies are not likely to switch sides as a result of such persuasive arguments. But I wonder if people who decide to handle threads this way ever stop to think how many "bystanders" will make a note never to deal with either of the parties involved.

By way of contrast, John of NATS and Rand of ePassporte come to mind as two of the people here who actually deal with critical threads professionally and emerge with their personal credibility intact. At worst they limit the damage to their services and often turn the situation around.


The only note that I have made is that I will use BDS again in the future. It is more of a follow-up note more than anything.

TDF 07-24-2005 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Persignup Qon
its sorta stupid that anyone wants to see these designs... they really don't matter. YOU place an order with designer (one that YOU have chosen probably based on their previous work), then you tell'em what YOU want, they deliver & you don't like it? you STILL OWE FOR THE TIME THEY'VE SPENT ON THE WORK YOU HIRED THEM TO DO - IT WAS YOUR CHOICE NOT TO ACCEPT IT, YOU SHOULD BARE THE COST OF THAT DECISION. its just that simple.

maybe some of you cats don't own a business or expect to maintin some sort of respectable reputation but that's how things are handled in this business (or at least how professional, reputable people handle it). done. :2 cents:




...




bingo....

Trev_UK 07-24-2005 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Persignup Qon
its sorta stupid that anyone wants to see these designs... they really don't matter. YOU place an order with designer (one that YOU have chosen probably based on their previous work), then you tell'em what YOU want, they deliver & you don't like it? you STILL OWE FOR THE TIME THEY'VE SPENT ON THE WORK YOU HIRED THEM TO DO - IT WAS YOUR CHOICE NOT TO ACCEPT IT, YOU SHOULD BARE THE COST OF THAT DECISION. its just that simple.

maybe some of you cats don't own a business or expect to maintin some sort of respectable reputation but that's how things are handled in this business (or at least how professional, reputable people handle it). done. :2 cents:
...

Personally I think the designs are of the utmost importance in this matter.


Quote:

YOU place an order with designer (one that YOU have chosen probably based on their previous work
That is exactly why they matter, because it is being claimed that the designs are not up to the designer?s usual standard. As for bearing the cost anyway I think that's a rather poor way to run a business... ?Oh thanks for the shit design and here's your $500? - Don't make me laugh

Cory W 07-24-2005 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Trev_UK
Personally I think the designs are of the utmost importance in this matter.



That is exactly why they matter, because it is being claimed that the designs are not up to the designer?s usual standard. As for bearing the cost anyway I think that's a rather poor way to run a business... ?Oh thanks for the shit design and here's your $500? - Don't make me laugh

Designs are subjective, however time is not.

Based on your theory, I should just hire out 10 design teams with the intention of paying one of them for the final services.

Paying for a design that you feel is sub-par is a cost of doing business. Affiliate programs do it all the time. I have done it. It is life. If the design is devoid of the basic concept, you may have an argument, but I doubt highly a design team such as BDS would not follow the basic instructions or save jpg files as gif.

I eat out a lot. Sometimes, the food is not that great. When the bill comes, I pay it. I pay it every time. My class is more important than my restaurant experience. I also tip 20 percent, as a starting point.

I have a personal perception of what is a professional business procedure in concern with my own projects, as well as Weg projects. I pay for services every time. I pay my bills. My reputation is unblemished in that regard. I intend it to remain such, as it is important to me as a person, businessman and company publicist / marketing director.


I have sent more than a few wires to BDS. I have contacts all over this industry that go out of there way to help me.

I am not trying to start a fight, nor am I playing towards friends. Just voicing my opinion on it.

I could care less about this issue. At the end of the day, Andrew needs to enjoy his weekend and move on. He needs to write off the time as a "cost of doing business." Two way street on how these things work, however, I doubt I am telling him anything he does not know.

Relish XXX 07-24-2005 10:56 AM

I wouldnt pay if the design was shit. Why should I have my company image tarnnished by a shit designer.

Brujah 07-24-2005 11:00 AM

I just wanted to see the designs because Blue Design Studios usuallly has great quality stuff and I like to see what top designers are whipping out.

lotusmike 07-24-2005 11:12 AM

What was the project cost and why doesn't Lee or BDS post samples of work in progress? If you are making this public, POST A FUCKING LINK ALREADY. :2 cents:

SmokeyTheBear 07-24-2005 11:32 AM

Has anyone EVER seen a bad design by BDS ?

This just sounds like a case of "don't wanna pay blues"

Lee had a verbal contract , he broke that contract and hasn't explained why properly.

fuzzypeach 07-24-2005 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by European Lee
... we would still pay him out of principle even though GFY is no place for principles :2 cents:

Regards,

Lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee
Because it seems that employees of BDS still want to continue with the drama.

Im just indulging them :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee
Yeah but it was a communications failure on both our parts as to why it wasnt completed.

Regards,

Lee

BDS is getting shafted :Oh crap

European Lee 07-24-2005 11:57 AM

Bump for Andrew...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=495668

Regards,

Lee

JFK 07-24-2005 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chase
It *is* funny that Lee called BDS cocksuckers, though, lol. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, haha, I don't know what is.

that is pretty Funny :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

European Lee 07-24-2005 01:25 PM

C'mon people dont let this thread die, Andrew hasnt given you his explanation yet...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=495668

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 02:54 PM

So Lee - are you going to stick to your word and pay up for these designs now?

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
So Lee - are you going to stick to your word and pay up for these designs now?

You still want paying for shitty incomplete work? Damn Andrew you have big balls ill give you that much :1orglaugh

Lets have a little recap of what GFY thinks..

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Originally Posted by Dalai lama
banners & main.html looks like it could use more work :error

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Originally Posted by mrthumbs
I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either

[QUOTE=Brujah]I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted samples. [QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding work".
The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new graphists do .

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
The sites dont look like his other design examples

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX
I will agree that the main page and banners need work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunni
not the best design from them for sure

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc
I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsmack
I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it was outsourced? :-)

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Originally Posted by cherrylula
it looks stripped down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign
looks like crap to me

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Originally Posted by chazer
It's not all that great design

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Originally Posted by MickeyG
I wouldn't pay for that shit either

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z
LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones
I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the rest BDS sites.

Quote:

Originally Posted by basschick
so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how grainy things are.

i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.

i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
banner and main layout not that hot

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced... :2 cents:

What do YOU think the answer is?

Regards,

Lee

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
Ok so you are saying if I post the desings, you will pay for them?

GFY has spoken, your 'design' that you delivered was pure shite, dont expect to see a dime in payment.

Regards,

Lee

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:08 PM

how come you never told those people that you were thrilled with the design?

did you ever tell them who choose the color scheme, layout text?

BlueDesignStudios 07-24-2005 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee
GFY has spoken, your 'design' that you delivered was pure shite, dont expect to see a dime in payment.

Regards,

Lee

You're delusional if you think GFY is on your side - like I said, put your money where your mouth is, be a man, I've got nothing to hide or lose since you are the one who fucked me over - why do you keep hiding behind your pathetic self?

European Lee 07-24-2005 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios
You're delusional if you think GFY is on your side - like I said, put your money where your mouth is, be a man, I've got nothing to hide or lose since you are the one who fucked me over - why do you keep hiding behind your pathetic self?

Andrew, read some of the responses man...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalai lama
banners & main.html looks like it could use more work

:error

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrthumbs
I agree.. woudlnt accept that work either

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
I agree with you about the banners, and main. Doesn't look like

the usual BDS quality I've seen in their portfolio and when others have posted

samples.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre
I have to agree that this isn't what I'd call "outstanding

work".
The ideas aren't so bad ... but it seems like the guy who did the job isn't a

pro and very experienced graphists ... did a lot of mistakes a lot of new

graphists do .

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
The sites dont look like his other design examples

Quote:

Originally Posted by Relish XXX
I will agree that the main page and banners need work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunni
not the best design from them for sure

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc
I'm not sure why people here though are bitching that you did

something wrong by not paying them. If "you" aren't happy with the work and you

didn't publish the work then you shouldn't pay for the work until you are happy

with the work. Period..

I don't pay for designs unless I'm happy with the work. I don't pay an

electrician for work if I'm not satisfied with his job. I don't pay the cleaning

lady if she does a shitty job, I make her ass come back and then I pay her once

the job is done correctly. This is how the world works, not the other way

around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsmack
I agree, does not look like their quality standard.. maybe it

was outsourced? :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula
it looks stripped down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezdesign
looks like crap to me

Quote:

Originally Posted by chazer
It's not all that great design

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyG
I wouldn't pay for that shit either

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z
LOL What total bullshit.

Webmasters choose a designer based on their portfolio.

If the end result isn't of the same quality level that their portfolio implies

they are capable of, then it's a bait and switch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiggleJones
I really hate to say it, but I think Lee has a legit point

about the quality of the design. I dont think the quality is up there with the

rest BDS sites.

Quote:

Originally Posted by basschick
so they didn't use the colors you required, and we can see how

grainy things are.

i dunno - i don't expect to pay for designs i don't like. plenty of designers

have managed to meet my requirements, but if you make a design in a totally

other color scheme, you can 100% expect that i won't be buying it.

i don't know the guy at blue, but i wouldn't have been thrilled with

these.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
banner and main layout not that hot

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net
By looking at the navigation bar.. it seems outsourced...

:2 cents:

Its there in black (well grey) and white.

Regards,

Lee


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