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bhutocracy · 07-16-2005, 08:22 PM

In addition to whats already been suggested, don't you think image choice may have played a part?

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one looks like a bored stripper just thinking about getting out of there,

the other looks like someone i want to spill my load on.

Image choice is very important.. she needs to smile more and not just the "stripper smirk"

fiddy better tour pics.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 08:22 PM

i just got owned on the 50 post

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 08:26 PM

also, damn

the pic beside the butterfly is one of my favs

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

In addition to whats already been suggested, don't you think image choice may have played a part?

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more

one looks like a bored stripper just thinking about getting out of there,

the other looks like someone i want to spill my load on.

Image choice is very important.. she needs to smile more and not just the "stripper smirk"

fiddy better tour pics.

very true... i keep saying make her smile and look like shes enjoying herself and less skanky,.... how u doin andrew?

Probono · 07-16-2005, 08:31 PM

I am going to dare to make a suggestion here since I have been working with amateur single girl sites for years. I understand your site is more polished and professional than those I do but that may well be an issue.

A Single girl site needs something to disinguish it from the masses, a niche like extreme Holly, a real personality like ellinude. You also need a stream of traffic looking for that girl, her personality. You need to make the buyer fall in love with that girl to pull the card out.

bhutocracy · 07-16-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

also, damn

the pic beside the butterfly is one of my favs

to me it looks like she's thinking "i can't believe i have to do this shit"

And the one with the lolly pop is "this is my 50th 10 second position today, when's lunch"

the first good way says "what the hell are you waiting for? fill my ass from behind before i change my mind" she looks hungrier than bored. Still not 100% but way better than the other stuff.

A photographer can pick out 2 shots out of 50 to use in a magazine.. thats how you have to be with your tour...

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

to me it looks like she's thinking "i can't believe i have to do this shit"

And the one with the lolly pop is "this is my 50th 10 second position today, when's lunch"

the first good way says "what the hell are you waiting for? fill my ass from behind before i change my mind" she looks hungrier than bored. Still not 100% but way better than the other stuff.

A photographer can pick out 2 shots out of 50 to use in a magazine.. thats how you have to be with your tour...

gotcha... i'll look around for different pics...

and thanks probono, i agree

The Other Steve · 07-16-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Actually, I believe it is closer to 50%, but he does have a join link on the front page, it is just too small to see.

BTW, I noticed you guys got a flurry of signups . . . does that mean you are promoting your site again?

I think the boss lady might have been putting a few links here and there

Alien - feel free to ask baddog what our ratio is with a one page tour and bugger all traffic.

baddog - if he asks give him the figures, modesty prevents me from bragging.

bhutocracy · 07-16-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

very true... i keep saying make her smile and look like shes enjoying herself and less skanky,.... how u doin andrew?

not bad.. about to get totally whipped by the gf if im not ready to leave to see sin city in about 5 min though lol - just had to make the point of how important the tour images are, even though it's a fairly obvious one.

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

to me it looks like she's thinking "i can't believe i have to do this shit"

And the one with the lolly pop is "this is my 50th 10 second position today, when's lunch"

the first good way says "what the hell are you waiting for? fill my ass from behind before i change my mind" she looks hungrier than bored. Still not 100% but way better than the other stuff.

A photographer can pick out 2 shots out of 50 to use in a magazine.. thats how you have to be with your tour...

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

not bad.. about to get totally whipped by the gf if im not ready to leave to see sin city in about 5 min though lol - just had to make the point of how important the tour images are, even though it's a fairly obvious one.

one of the best movies i've seen .... don't go in there expecting anything and enjoy it

jonesy · 07-16-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

-make second page a little shoorter, and add a 'next page' at bottom that goes to join
-have all the small pics link to join page
-make join page a little more fuller (there was a recent study done on how people react differently when people are staring at them... pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)
-the text is horrible... sounds like every other site out there... make it more personal...

-definitel have a trailer on each page.. or maybe just one... but have her tease and not show too much... you want the surfer's attention and the feind to join to see more.... same with the tour.. you dont want to show everything all in tour....
...

agreed

my

the tour needs to have continuity - the girl next door/nice girl pics, not the stripper looking ones - work in that she gets nasty but without showing it or maybe a tease shot but nothing to give it all away

like al said - get the surfer wanting to see the good shit and want to join.

dude check out the biggest solo girl sites out there , study them, do your homework then apply it to yours.

im not saying copy but apply the methods

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

agreed

my

the tour needs to have continuity - the girl next door/nice girl pics, not the stripper looking ones - work in that she gets nasty but without showing it or maybe a tease shot but nothing to give it all away

like al said - get the surfer wanting to see the good shit and want to join.

dude check out the biggest solo girl sites out there , study them, do your homework then apply it to yours.

im not saying copy but apply the methods

good advice, thanks.. yah i have a lot of people icqing me with suggestions and i want to thank everyone in this thread, and on icq helping me out

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

agreed

my

the tour needs to have continuity - the girl next door/nice girl pics, not the stripper looking ones - work in that she gets nasty but without showing it or maybe a tease shot but nothing to give it all away

like al said - get the surfer wanting to see the good shit and want to join.

dude check out the biggest solo girl sites out there , study them, do your homework then apply it to yours.

im not saying copy but apply the methods

like my art teacher would always say... "if you're gonna copy, copy the best"
hehe... best teacher I ever had

Chris · 07-16-2005, 09:27 PM

I'm not an expert by anymeans
I am just another fellow webmaster voicing his opinion.

The site strains my eyes. To much blue
alot of brightness
hard to read the words that are gfx

just my opinion though

baddog · 07-16-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

-make second page a little shoorter, and add a 'next page' at bottom that goes to join
-have all the small pics link to join page
-make join page a little more fuller (there was a recent study done on how people react differently when people are staring at them... pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)
-the text is horrible... sounds like every other site out there... make it more personal...
-i dont like her makeup and you should listen to wargames.... make her hair smooth, put less/softer makeup... make her young.... less skanky outfits.. and NO high heels(the stripper kind!)
-make her young and cute... get her to smile more often...
-tell the photographer not to shoot her from top.. ruins proportians, and have him use the white balance on the camera and manual mode... too much tint on the pics...
-definitel have a trailer on each page.. or maybe just one... but have her tease and not show too much... you want the surfer's attention and the feind to join to see more.... same with the tour.. you dont want to show everything all in tour....

i tihnk thats it for now..... i still have more to say about the members area...

wow, how much are you charging for all that info? SOS, I hope you were paying attention.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

wow, how much are you charging for all that info? SOS, I hope you were paying attention.

i am, and i've also talked about it on icq with him.. abyss al is a good guy

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

wow, how much are you charging for all that info? SOS, I hope you were paying attention.

i hope so too... and my fees are small.... just his first born is mine...

baddog · 07-16-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

baddog - if he asks give him the figures, modesty prevents me from bragging.

I wish you would brag . . . . and promote more. With those ratios I really don't know what is stopping you.

Alien, just a hint . . . if he was converting at 1:700 he would think I was shaving the living fuck out of him.

The Other Steve · 07-16-2005, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I wish you would brag . . . . and promote more. With those ratios I really don't know what is stopping you.

Alien, just a hint . . . if he was converting at 1:700 he would think I was shaving the living fuck out of him.

baddog if Marie or I bragged about it no-one would believe us - and these days you wouldn't believe what we're making from our writing business

baddog · 07-16-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

baddog if Marie or I bragged about it no-one would believe us - and these days you wouldn't believe what we're making from our writing business

Congrats on that . . . now throw some anchor text into your writings linking it to your site.

Yeah, the last pay period was a little radical, it makes it tough, never being able to give ratios because you know no one will believe it

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I wish you would brag . . . . and promote more. With those ratios I really don't know what is stopping you.

Alien, just a hint . . . if he was converting at 1:700 he would think I was shaving the living fuck out of him.

Is it TGP traffic?
It is my opinion that the traffic sources are not the best so far for Julia Blue.
1 in 700 for basic TGP traffic? I would say its not so bad for a solo girl site. It held its own, and maybe the traffic has not run its course yet from his stated sources.

I did what I could with the tour.
Love how some of ya guys like to swoop down knowing it was just my design...

Ya can not play off the traffic sources he is currently using and say 1 in 700 is bad.

baddog · 07-16-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Love how some of ya guys like to swoop down knowing it was just my design...

My advice to him has very little to do with the tour. There are a couple tweaks, easy to change shit, but this isn't about the tour as much as it is his traffic management.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

My advice to him has very little to do with the tour. There are a couple tweaks, easy to change shit, but this isn't about the tour as much as it is his traffic management.

Well then I do not think it is proper for you to give the tour shit by your previous statements of "1 in 700 and he would think your shaving em".

WTF.

It's not the best fucking tour I ever built, but I do like it.
In my opinion it will hold its own very well once some things are done.

Particularly the traffic sources and locking down the text on all the pages.

Quickdraw · 07-16-2005, 10:27 PM

Just a couple quick comments(I think

)

The tour goes from first person, to someone else talking about Julia on the join page. This can be a bit of a mental stumbling block.
For instance, the tour everything is "I"-- then the join says
"You get to give input on what you want julia to do"
maybe
"Do you want me to do something sexy, just for you? Let me make your dreams come true!"
Or something a horny guy wants to hear.

Notice the use of the same text for both join options. The text doesn't need to be duplicated for each option. Put the options together and lose the second copy.

In fact the graphics on the tour might reflect a little more first person feel.
I understand it is important to brand the site, but other ways are possible.
'ACCESS JULIA BLUE TONIGHT' could be "Chat with me tonight, right now, instantly..." or something else depending on her chat schedule.

"I KNOW YOU WILL LIKE MY EXCLUSIVE MEMBERS AREA!GET ACCESS NOW!" is used twice on the same page. They should love, not like your members area

Less redundancy and sexier copy.

On http://juliablue.com/p2.html at the the top. The graphic with grey background. 'VIdeos' might look better as 'Videos' as the other small i's are with the dot. Just stuck out to me.

The site tour/graphics are ok and a decent start, but they don't look complete. The little details to help give it a finishing touch are missing. Just odds and ends like the butterfly, just more bits of it. You know subtle stuff in the background that noone notices but brings things together more.

What are her stats? bust, waist, hip, likes, dislikes, sign, etc.

Does every set you show have 65 pics, or are there 65 pics total for all galleries? "65 Hi Rez pics" could be '65 Hi Rez pics of me getting erect nips in my black lingerie' (as I assume there are 65 for each gallery)
The the next one something different and sexy '65 HUGE images of me getting sticky with a lollipop'

The photographer needs to work on bringing her personality(assuming there is one) to the photos which might help the designer 'bring things to life'-- More smiles, playful smirks, scrunched nose, and so many other thigns like this

I have gone on much longer than I expected..
This is of course meant to be constructive criticism and my personal opinion, which amounts to a net value of about

. Your mileage may vary

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 10:30 PM

damn quickdraw, one of the best replies in this thread.. thanks man

this thread is bookmark worthy for people in my shoes in the future

baddog · 07-16-2005, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well then I do not think it is proper for you to give the tour shit by your previous statements of "1 in 700 and he would think your shaving em".

WTF.

It's not the best fucking tour I ever built, but I do like it.
In my opinion it will hold its own very well once some things are done.

Particularly the traffic sources and locking down the text on all the pages.

See, this is where proper medication would be of great benefit.

I was not giving you shit about your tour. As I recall, you were telling Steve he did not know what he was talking about when he suggested that you should be giving the surfer an earlier opportunity to join. To stop hiding the join button. You said he was full of shit, and he suggested that he was doing a lot better rations than SOS is, and he has been doing solo girl sites since sos started sprouting pubic hair.

I don't know how to break it to you, but not everything is about you.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

and he has been doing solo girl sites since sos started sprouting pubic hair.

i'm persian... so that was at about age 3

The Other Steve · 07-16-2005, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well then I do not think it is proper for you to give the tour shit by your previous statements of "1 in 700 and he would think your shaving em".

WTF.

It's not the best fucking tour I ever built, but I do like it.
In my opinion it will hold its own very well once some things are done.

Particularly the traffic sources and locking down the text on all the pages.

Alien - I think that there has been some misunderstanding between you and baddog - he was referring to me when he said " if he converted at 1:700 ..." - because last week we converted at 1:11 (on very low traffic numbers) but that doesn't surprise me much at all.

When it was a paysite I could convert at 1:20 on a mixture of TGP/TGP2/Free Site traffic

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 10:38 PM

NO Bad dog I said he was full of shit on his statement that longer tours with multiple pages tend to have worse ratios...

Which is not true at all and bullshit.

Take your own meds.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Alien - I think that there has been some misunderstanding between you and baddog - he was referring to me when he said " if he converted at 1:700 ..." - because last week we converted at 1:11 (on very low traffic numbers) but that doesn't surprise me much at all.

When it was a paysite I could convert at 1:20 on a mixture of TGP/TGP2/Free Site traffic

ON what Free Ezines or subscription sites asking the surfer to shell 24.95?

The Other Steve · 07-16-2005, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

ON what Free Ezines or subscription sites asking the surfer to shell 24.95?

Alien - you're now just making yourself look dumb - I said earlier that it was our own solo girl paysite - for which we charged the average membership for a site like that.

baddog · 07-16-2005, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

NO Bad dog I said he was full of shit on his statement that longer tours with multiple pages tend to have worse ratios...

Which is not true at all and bullshit.

Take your own meds.

Okay, let's make this fair . . . show me a multiple page tour, that converts well, and doesn't give you an easy to find join button on every page of the tour, beginning with page 1.

JOKER · 07-16-2005, 10:51 PM

Could we stay on focus here and not get into a fight please

Thanx alot, great advice so far, good read

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Other Steve

FWIW - the text where your girl talks to the surfer is weak - at least on the first page.

And from my experience you can count on losing around 25% of your surfers for each new page they have to move to - so if you have a three page tour and 200 surfers hit the front by page two your down to 150 and even less will go throught to the join page.

Well...

Lets REALLY be fair here...

Where did he specify a solo girl site in this?
Hows one supposed to connect reference to this statement pertaining to solo girl sites? The number of pages even a solo girl site has is irrelevant. If the pages are good it makes no difference.

Case and point:
http://www.fionaluv.com

Lots of pages. Does great.

baddog · 07-17-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well...

Lets REALLY be fair here...

Where did he specify a solo girl site in this?

His very next post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Don't be a total fuckwit Alien - my partner and I ran a solo girl site for 6 years so go stick you're head back up your arse.

Quote:

Hows one supposed to connect reference to this statement pertaining to solo girl sites? The number of pages even a solo girl site has is irrelevant. If the pages are good it makes no difference.

Case and point:
http://www.fionaluv.com

Lots of pages. Does great.

and there is a join link up top, and easy to find on every page.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-17-2005, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

His very next post:

and there is a join link up top, and easy to find on every page.

Really?

Explain this.
http://www.fionaluv.com/covers/087.html

Click the big image? Is that whats next?
Duh...

But no prominate join link.

Prolly an error on there part but the sites do good.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-17-2005, 12:09 AM

Feeling destroid yet?

natas · 07-17-2005, 12:10 AM

no offence - but do you mean destroyed?

The Other Steve · 07-17-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by natas

no offence - but do you mean destroyed?

Shhhh Natas - don't destroy his rhetoric - let the poor fool dream on.

baddog · 07-17-2005, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Really?

Explain this.
http://www.fionaluv.com/covers/087.html

Click the big image? Is that whats next?
Duh...

But no prominate join link.

Prolly an error on there part but the sites do good.

yeah, you are right . . . the only way to exit the page is to click to the join form, or go back to http://www.fionaluv.com/chapters.htm with the prominent join link.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-17-2005, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by natas

no offence - but do you mean destroyed?

Yeah that too

Donny · 07-17-2005, 12:19 AM

www.sexcounter.com

put an invisible counter on your main page to see how many uniques you're getting to it. i do.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-17-2005, 12:22 AM

I will tell all you "experts" why Julia Blue is not doing so hot though.

Julia Blue is not in love with the camara. I spoke to a couple people about this, this evening. Same thing I thought as well from the get go.
That has everything to do with it.
She will get the hang of it I hope and bring out that "Character".

New girls always have a hard time.
She is hot and has a ton of potential.

Lets hope she finds it with SoS

I think she can.

RazorSharpe · 07-17-2005, 12:27 AM

WarChild, you seem to have a beef with AlienQ, and while that is your perrogative, it is in immense bad taste to come in on THIS thread and berate him .... in fact berate anyone for that matter.

SoS is simply trying, unlike most people, to get a dialogue going that will help him fine tune his site. He hardly needs people coming in here and turning it to shit based on their dislike for someone who is participating in the thread.

People can be so overly selfish sometimes!

My post is not meant to incite you in anyway; on the contrary, it was intended to remove the blindfolds of hate that cloud your judgment and cause you to do inappropriate things at inappropriate times (like waking up in the middle of the night and pissing out your bedroom window .... ).

Start your very own "I hate AlienQ" thread and let SoS's thread be the productive one he was hoping it would be.

Cheers ....

WarChild · 07-17-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

WarChild, you seem to have a beef with AlienQ, and while that is your perrogative, it is in immense bad taste to come in on THIS thread and berate him .... in fact berate anyone for that matter.

SoS is simply trying, unlike most people, to get a dialogue going that will help him fine tune his site. He hardly needs people coming in here and turning it to shit based on their dislike for someone who is participating in the thread.

People can be so overly selfish sometimes!

My post is not meant to incite you in anyway; on the contrary, it was intended to remove the blindfolds of hate that cloud your judgment and cause you to do inappropriate things at inappropriate times (like waking up in the middle of the night and pissing out your bedroom window .... ).

Start your very own "I hate AlienQ" thread and let SoS's thread be the productive one he was hoping it would be.

Cheers ....

Sam is doing just fine on his own. I've talked to him a couple of times on ICQ and if he wanted me to leave his thread alone he'd just ask me himself. He's a big boy and he's not getting bullied around here.

Now that I've said that, I'd like to remind you that AlienQ is a serious douche bag and sucks some major ass. Fucking fruitcake.

abyss_al · 07-17-2005, 12:35 AM

the only reason julia blue is not doing good or its not converting or ratio is bad or whatever else.... IS BECAUSE ITS ONLY BEEN UP A FEW DAYS!

you goota give it at least a month.. AT LEAST..... before making any changes.... 700 hits is nothing to guesstimate anything...

natas · 07-17-2005, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abyss_al

700 hits is nothing to guesstimate anything...

so true

sonofsam · 07-17-2005, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abyss_al

the only reason julia blue is not doing good or its not converting or ratio is bad or whatever else.... IS BECAUSE ITS ONLY BEEN UP A FEW DAYS!

you goota give it at least a month.. AT LEAST..... before making any changes.... 700 hits is nothing to guesstimate anything...

oh i wasn't really worried about that.. i was just pissed off about the lack of stats etc...but thats fixed now with nats

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-17-2005, 12:40 AM

SOS ya got a wealth of knowledge in this thread bud.

Take it for what its worth.

Alot of good meat in here to chew on.
Take it up

If Ya need touch ups in the process I am here for ya.

Abyss is right also, its to early to tell still but I have to agree adjustments on the tour are needed, text wise to get the "Your invited" feel.

Right now without being able to track anything your swinging in the dark.

07-16-2005, 08:22 PM	#101
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	In addition to whats already been suggested, don't you think image choice may have played a part? less more one looks like a bored stripper just thinking about getting out of there, the other looks like someone i want to spill my load on. Image choice is very important.. she needs to smile more and not just the "stripper smirk" fiddy better tour pics. Last edited by bhutocracy; 07-16-2005 at 08:23 PM..

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sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	i just got owned on the 50 post __________________ I like turtles.

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sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	also, damn the pic beside the butterfly is one of my favs __________________ I like turtles.

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Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	I'm not an expert by anymeans I am just another fellow webmaster voicing his opinion. The site strains my eyes. To much blue alot of brightness hard to read the words that are gfx just my opinion though __________________ [email protected]

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sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	damn quickdraw, one of the best replies in this thread.. thanks man this thread is bookmark worthy for people in my shoes in the future __________________ I like turtles.

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Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	I am going to dare to make a suggestion here since I have been working with amateur single girl sites for years. I understand your site is more polished and professional than those I do but that may well be an issue. A Single girl site needs something to disinguish it from the masses, a niche like extreme Holly, a real personality like ellinude. You also need a stream of traffic looking for that girl, her personality. You need to make the buyer fall in love with that girl to pull the card out.

07-16-2005, 10:27 PM	#125
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	Just a couple quick comments(I think ) The tour goes from first person, to someone else talking about Julia on the join page. This can be a bit of a mental stumbling block. For instance, the tour everything is "I"-- then the join says "You get to give input on what you want julia to do" maybe "Do you want me to do something sexy, just for you? Let me make your dreams come true!" Or something a horny guy wants to hear. Notice the use of the same text for both join options. The text doesn't need to be duplicated for each option. Put the options together and lose the second copy. In fact the graphics on the tour might reflect a little more first person feel. I understand it is important to brand the site, but other ways are possible. 'ACCESS JULIA BLUE TONIGHT' could be "Chat with me tonight, right now, instantly..." or something else depending on her chat schedule. "I KNOW YOU WILL LIKE MY EXCLUSIVE MEMBERS AREA!GET ACCESS NOW!" is used twice on the same page. They should love, not like your members area Less redundancy and sexier copy. On http://juliablue.com/p2.html at the the top. The graphic with grey background. 'VIdeos' might look better as 'Videos' as the other small i's are with the dot. Just stuck out to me. The site tour/graphics are ok and a decent start, but they don't look complete. The little details to help give it a finishing touch are missing. Just odds and ends like the butterfly, just more bits of it. You know subtle stuff in the background that noone notices but brings things together more. What are her stats? bust, waist, hip, likes, dislikes, sign, etc. Does every set you show have 65 pics, or are there 65 pics total for all galleries? "65 Hi Rez pics" could be '65 Hi Rez pics of me getting erect nips in my black lingerie' (as I assume there are 65 for each gallery) The the next one something different and sexy '65 HUGE images of me getting sticky with a lollipop' The photographer needs to work on bringing her personality(assuming there is one) to the photos which might help the designer 'bring things to life'-- More smiles, playful smirks, scrunched nose, and so many other thigns like this I have gone on much longer than I expected.. This is of course meant to be constructive criticism and my personal opinion, which amounts to a net value of about . Your mileage may vary

07-16-2005, 10:38 PM	#130
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	NO Bad dog I said he was full of shit on his statement that longer tours with multiple pages tend to have worse ratios... Which is not true at all and bullshit. Take your own meds. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

07-16-2005, 10:51 PM	#134
JOKER Facit Omnia Voluntas Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Offshore Posts: 2,105	Could we stay on focus here and not get into a fight please Thanx alot, great advice so far, good read __________________ Facilitation - BizDev - Traffic - Consulting - Marketing Skype: jokerempire \| Silent Circle: joker

07-17-2005, 12:09 AM	#138
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Feeling destroid yet? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

07-17-2005, 12:10 AM	#139
natas Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: : unknown Posts: 3,377	no offence - but do you mean destroyed?

07-17-2005, 12:19 AM	#143
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	www.sexcounter.com put an invisible counter on your main page to see how many uniques you're getting to it. i do.

07-17-2005, 12:22 AM	#144
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I will tell all you "experts" why Julia Blue is not doing so hot though. Julia Blue is not in love with the camara. I spoke to a couple people about this, this evening. Same thing I thought as well from the get go. That has everything to do with it. She will get the hang of it I hope and bring out that "Character". New girls always have a hard time. She is hot and has a ton of potential. Lets hope she finds it with SoS I think she can. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 07-17-2005 at 12:24 AM..

07-17-2005, 12:27 AM	#145
RazorSharpe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,238	WarChild, you seem to have a beef with AlienQ, and while that is your perrogative, it is in immense bad taste to come in on THIS thread and berate him .... in fact berate anyone for that matter. SoS is simply trying, unlike most people, to get a dialogue going that will help him fine tune his site. He hardly needs people coming in here and turning it to shit based on their dislike for someone who is participating in the thread. People can be so overly selfish sometimes! My post is not meant to incite you in anyway; on the contrary, it was intended to remove the blindfolds of hate that cloud your judgment and cause you to do inappropriate things at inappropriate times (like waking up in the middle of the night and pissing out your bedroom window .... ). Start your very own "I hate AlienQ" thread and let SoS's thread be the productive one he was hoping it would be. Cheers .... __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

07-17-2005, 12:35 AM	#147
abyss_al LOOKING FOR TRADES Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 15,605	the only reason julia blue is not doing good or its not converting or ratio is bad or whatever else.... IS BECAUSE ITS ONLY BEEN UP A FEW DAYS! you goota give it at least a month.. AT LEAST..... before making any changes.... 700 hits is nothing to guesstimate anything... __________________ EMAIL: allen @ vasmediagroup.com \| ICQ: 311329761 \| SKYPE: abyss.al \| AIM: xABYSSxALx

07-17-2005, 12:40 AM	#150
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	SOS ya got a wealth of knowledge in this thread bud. Take it for what its worth. Alot of good meat in here to chew on. Take it up If Ya need touch ups in the process I am here for ya. Abyss is right also, its to early to tell still but I have to agree adjustments on the tour are needed, text wise to get the "Your invited" feel. Right now without being able to track anything your swinging in the dark. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|