IT's official - I will NEVER EVER use a ccbill based program again - GoFuckYourself.com

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 07:21 AM

... I cant prove shit, but I KNOW those stats are wrong...
was on thehun, and made 2 sale the first hour (at night, so bad traffic) with some new fresh softcore content. then for the rest of the 48 hours.. nothing....
Its the same with the programs I use for upsell in the memberarea... no sale the last week.... nothing... from ANY of the CCbill based programs
All other non-ccbill converts like always

but again - cant prove shit.. but I know for sure I will never use CCbill again

The Heron · 07-11-2005, 07:23 AM

Good, more money for me.

bret · 07-11-2005, 07:23 AM

No shit! I am doing about 1:450 to nasty dollars and with pretty much the same traffic i am about 1:3500 with ccbill based programs.

BVF · 07-11-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

... (at night, so bad traffic)

how is night time traffic "bad traffic"?

lotusmike · 07-11-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF

how is night time traffic "bad traffic"?

We'll relative to time zones, if your programs are rooted in the US, most of that bad traffic is offshore. Asia and the like.

groark · 07-11-2005, 07:34 AM

You should check out teenrevenue then :PP

Bansheelinks · 07-11-2005, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

... I cant prove shit, but I KNOW those stats are wrong...
was on thehun, and made 2 sale the first hour (at night, so bad traffic) with some new fresh softcore content. then for the rest of the 48 hours.. nothing....
Its the same with the programs I use for upsell in the memberarea... no sale the last week.... nothing... from ANY of the CCbill based programs
All other non-ccbill converts like always

but again - cant prove shit.. but I know for sure I will never use CCbill again

any CB's over that period of time? you get a CB with ccbill and your ratios will get strangled by them, even if your in 'safe' territory for CBs and %

Shaft_1971 · 07-11-2005, 07:35 AM

We use paycom

Shaft

StuartD · 07-11-2005, 07:36 AM

that actually happens on the hun often. The hun is a big hit and miss game. Sometimes you can get 20 sales, sometimes none.... and sometimes you get a burst and then nothing.

That's just how it is... has nothing to do with the processor.

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

that actually happens on the hun often. The hun is a big hit and miss game. Sometimes you can get 20 sales, sometimes none.... and sometimes you get a burst and then nothing.

That's just how it is... has nothing to do with the processor.

Like i wrote, Its not only based on thehun. Its also bases on the banners in our memberareas.

Shags · 07-11-2005, 07:39 AM

Show the gallery or stfu.

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Shags

Show the gallery or stfu.

no... because we still use it on the sites, and dont want to oversaturate the content. Hit me up in 14 days, then we have our own sites running, and dont need the mentioned program any more - then you can have it

Basic_man · 07-11-2005, 07:56 AM

I don't use CCBill anymore for over 2 years, and thanks god I'm not wasting my traffic ! :D

Pete-KT · 07-11-2005, 07:59 AM

My last gallery on thehun.com got 1 sale Its a hit or miss game with there traffic.

Shags · 07-11-2005, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk

no... because we still use it on the sites, and dont want to oversaturate the content. Hit me up in 14 days, then we have our own sites running, and dont need the mentioned program any more - then you can have it

Thanks but i don't need any content to make a sale. Btw what is this shit: Location Denmark -> soon South America?

johndoebob · 07-11-2005, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shags

Thanks but i don't need any content to make a sale. Btw what is this shit: Location Denmark -> soon South America?

He'll scam everybody in denmark and on GFY and hide in south america

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by johndoebob

He'll scam everybody in denmark and on GFY and hide in south america

GOD DAMM IT.. im busted..

No. I put my mainstream company up for sale, and as soon as its sold, Im moving southwest :-)
My partner lives in southamerica and all the major keypersons in my network is located in the same timezone..
Add that to the low tax in Nicaragua and the other countrys in the area - then i dont se any reason to stay in denmark

Trax · 07-11-2005, 08:55 AM

been doing for years no
try to avoid cc where possible... my direct comparisms to epoch always showed a HUGE difference in favor to epoch
nothing personal

soukee · 07-11-2005, 09:06 AM

I thin the problem is in counting of clicks in stats (1st page raw vs. 2nd page unique). I am satisfied with CCBill but maybe sometimes declines more CCs than it is needed...

DutchTeenCash · 07-11-2005, 09:14 AM

let me get it right : youre upselling in the members area and zero sales from ccbill programs? that cant be right, I assume youre upselling the same niche as the site is right?

pradaboy · 07-11-2005, 09:16 AM

right back at ya

Gottis · 07-11-2005, 09:17 AM

Nicaragua is such a nice place to live at lol

At least make it Costa Rica if you're going there.

rockbear · 07-11-2005, 09:20 AM

I never had any luck too with CCbill sponsors.

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

I assume youre upselling the same niche as the site is right?

90% of the times yes

DutchTeenCash · 07-11-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

90% of the times yes

what kind of upsell is it? banners potd fhg exit?

SmokeyTheBear · 07-11-2005, 09:29 AM

I have noticed it as well. Maybe its the processing maybe its something else.. I dont really care, and i dont have the time to figure it out.

I stopped using them long ago. ( for the most part )

If it was good enough i might promote it, but so far i'm not missing anything..

I have noticed the same trend with NATS.. Maybe its just coincidence that every nats sponsor i have tried does well worse than non-nats sponsors.. then again its hard to compare one against the other.

blazin · 07-11-2005, 09:32 AM

Funny.. but I noticed a particular CCBILL site that although its main signup page is CCBILL... it cascades to another processor in case they get declined.

Of course, you won't get paid from the other processor only from ccbill sales, means more money the owner if ccbill decline.

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

what kind of upsell is it? banners potd fhg exit?

Textbanner in the footer

DutchTeenCash · 07-11-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Textbanner in the footer

so its in every gallery right? ok well could be summer slowdown ppl not using the members or a really low members base, but I doubt that all...

How many hits did you get on that banner? at least a few 100 right? I mean members area upsell must be under 1:100 normally, otherwise something else is wrong for sure...

chadglni · 07-11-2005, 09:36 AM

Everyone is finally catching on.

corvette · 07-11-2005, 09:39 AM

because our name was brought up, allow me to touch on a few things:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bret

No shit! I am doing about 1:450 to nasty dollars and with pretty much the same traffic i am about 1:3500 with ccbill based programs.

many programs measure their ratios different ways, as was mentioned previously, CCBill tracks raw clicks...not sure how ND tracks, but many programs track unique clicks(whatever unique is, could be one IP per 6 hour block, could be one ip per month), they could discount certain types of clicks/traffic, second page clicks, join form clicks, etc.

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

any CB's over that period of time? you get a CB with ccbill and your ratios will get strangled by them, even if your in 'safe' territory for CBs and %

We generally do not change anything scrubbing-related due to account chargeback issues?we try to locate and address the root of the cb problem rather than (arbitrarily) raising the scrub on the account

I have always recommended to clients that if you think that something is not working correctly, to test it out with your own card?if there is anything that we can do at this point, let us know 45471840-MG

cam4teen · 07-11-2005, 09:40 AM

Even me i tryed to signup some of my sites and other sites using CCbill with my 2 cards a VIsa and a Mastercard and all the two was declined
I have some Sexkey sites , and CCBILL is the processor for sexkey and the sales dropped 50% because of the declines of ccbill

Bansheelinks · 07-11-2005, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

We generally do not change anything scrubbing-related due to account chargeback issues?we try to locate and address the root of the cb problem rather than (arbitrarily) raising the scrub on the account

ummmm........yeah............riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ......how many ppl do you have at ccbill working on this, considering you must have 10's of thousands of accounts to look after? you must have thousands of employees devoted solely to this, no? cut it out already........you have an auto algorithmic system running the show, just like anyone else would.

DutchTeenCash · 07-11-2005, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam4teen

Even me i tryed to signup some of my sites and other sites using CCbill with my 2 cards a VIsa and a Mastercard and all the two was declined
I have some Sexkey sites , and CCBILL is the processor for sexkey and the sales dropped 50% because of the declines of ccbill

DutchTeenCash · 07-11-2005, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

ummmm........yeah............riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ......how many ppl do you have at ccbill working on this, considering you must have 10's of thousands of accounts to look after? you must have thousands of employees devoted solely to this, no? cut it out already........you have an auto algorithmic system running the show, just like anyone else would.

dbase not an algorithm

bret · 07-11-2005, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

because our name was brought up, allow me to touch on a few things:

many programs measure their ratios different ways, as was mentioned previously, CCBill tracks raw clicks...not sure how ND tracks, but many programs track unique clicks(whatever unique is, could be one IP per 6 hour block, could be one ip per month), they could discount certain types of clicks/traffic, second page clicks, join form clicks, etc.

We generally do not change anything scrubbing-related due to account chargeback issues?we try to locate and address the root of the cb problem rather than (arbitrarily) raising the scrub on the account

I have always recommended to clients that if you think that something is not working correctly, to test it out with your own card?if there is anything that we can do at this point, let us know 45471840-MG

well, yeah, i dont really care about ratios, all i care about is $$$. so lets say this, i am easily doing $105-140 per day with nastydollars and all of my ccbill sites combined (about 5 or 6 actively promoting at any given time) I am lucky to get $15/day.

corvette · 07-11-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

ummmm........yeah............riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ......how many ppl do you have at ccbill working on this, considering you must have 10's of thousands of accounts to look after? you must have thousands of employees devoted solely to this, no? cut it out already........you have an auto algorithmic system running the show, just like anyone else would.

Bansheelinks, it is one of my direct responsibilities to monitor this, its not nearly as absurd as you are making it out to be. By and large, most of our clients are very clean and don?t have cb issues, but anything that pops up, we find out what the issue is, address it with our clients, and then monitor/follow up until it is a non-issue. We have been doing this for a while.

khs · 07-11-2005, 09:58 AM

I have never had luck with ccbill either, won't try them again either

William-Xfactor · 07-11-2005, 09:58 AM

Quality is the key I believe
I don?t have time for promoting others but if I did I would find a few more like these

Furious_Male · 07-11-2005, 09:59 AM

I am convinced there is an account specific scrub involved as well. CB ratio or otherwise anyone that knows and watches their traffic closely and has historical stats as well can see the trends.

No one can tell me otherwise.

SleazyDream · 07-11-2005, 10:03 AM

posting that you can't make sales with ccbill is the same as posting that you don't have a clue how to make a gallery.

it's pretty fucking easy to make sales with ccbill if you have more than 12 iq points. I mean - i can do it - day in and day out and i'm an idiot. Posting that you can't is saying you're dumber than a complete idiot.

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bret

well, yeah, i dont really care about ratios, all i care about is $$$.

exactly my point.. I don care if tells me 1:500 or 1:700.. as long as i get the signups.. ratios alone is not important unless its combined with the traffic source

Bansheelinks · 07-11-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furious_Male

I am convinced there is an account specific scrub involved as well. CB ratio or otherwise anyone that knows and watches their traffic closely and has historical stats as well can see the trends.

No one can tell me otherwise.

I agree with you. We're not stupid. If you get a CB, and are in 'safe range' of being under 1%, the scrub gets turned up. I've seen it a million times. I think Corvette is only addressing accounts that are in CB range trouble; on that he is right. But don't tell me you don't have algorithms.

chadglni · 07-11-2005, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

posting that you can't make sales with ccbill is the same as posting that you don't have a clue how to make a gallery.

it's pretty fucking easy to make sales with ccbill if you have more than 12 iq points. I mean - i can do it - day in and day out and i'm an idiot. Posting that you can't is saying you're dumber than a complete idiot.

Oh dear God. We all got sales with CCBill, then we didn't. This has been going on for years and it's worthless. I wonder how much money you would have made by using other sponsors.

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

i'm an idiot.

well.. good for you

If you had the decency to actually read what i wrote, you would know that what your just stated, only have to do with you being a idiot - as you so nicely put it yourself.

I dident say I could not convert with CCbill.. I do.. But I said that there is errors in their system, but since they will never admit it, i desided never to use them anymore instead. The system sucks, and you are a fool if you cant se that. but then again, that will also be the reason you have been cheatet so many times with banners and stuff like that

mrthumbs · 07-11-2005, 10:12 AM

Its safe to say, based on the zillions of threads about ccbill, something is going on there thats not right.

I know these things are very hard to check. we do our own processing and some and
i know how strange statistics can be even on the largest numbers. But things like
1:400 for weeks going to 1:3000 all of the sudden are things that simply DONT happen
and thats a situation that happens a lot at ccbill if i can believe the threads i see here.,

On the other hand Ebus:
Are you sure it are 2 sales and not 1 customer fucking things up?

Machete_ · 07-11-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

On the other hand Ebus:
Are you sure it are 2 sales and not 1 customer fucking things up?

110% sure

Worldnet · 07-11-2005, 10:23 AM

Never any luck here with CC Bill sponsors either. Tried them off and on for several years.

swami · 07-11-2005, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I have noticed it as well. Maybe its the processing maybe its something else.. I dont really care, and i dont have the time to figure it out.

I stopped using them long ago. ( for the most part )

If it was good enough i might promote it, but so far i'm not missing anything..

I have noticed the same trend with NATS.. Maybe its just coincidence that every nats sponsor i have tried does well worse than non-nats sponsors.. then again its hard to compare one against the other.

What Smokey said.
I wonder if its tracking issues, which is why paysite owners love them as they get the sale regardless.I am probably way off but figures don't lie and we are not talking about ratios.

SeniorX · 07-11-2005, 11:20 AM

same here, rotated between ccbill sales and merchant account for a week - merchant account's ratios are pretty much around 1:200, whereas ccbill's doing 1:400 one day, then 1:1500 the next. It's like when someone is not at the office manually checking things they turn on the turbo-scrubber.

07-11-2005, 07:21 AM	#1
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	IT's official - I will NEVER EVER use a ccbill based program again ... I cant prove shit, but I KNOW those stats are wrong... was on thehun, and made 2 sale the first hour (at night, so bad traffic) with some new fresh softcore content. then for the rest of the 48 hours.. nothing.... Its the same with the programs I use for upsell in the memberarea... no sale the last week.... nothing... from ANY of the CCbill based programs All other non-ccbill converts like always but again - cant prove shit.. but I know for sure I will never use CCbill again

07-11-2005, 07:23 AM	#3
bret Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: detroit Posts: 766	No shit! I am doing about 1:450 to nasty dollars and with pretty much the same traffic i am about 1:3500 with ccbill based programs. __________________

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07-11-2005, 07:59 AM	#14
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	My last gallery on thehun.com got 1 sale Its a hit or miss game with there traffic.

07-11-2005, 08:55 AM	#18
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	been doing for years no try to avoid cc where possible... my direct comparisms to epoch always showed a HUGE difference in favor to epoch nothing personal

07-11-2005, 09:06 AM	#19
soukee Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: EU Posts: 1,108	I thin the problem is in counting of clicks in stats (1st page raw vs. 2nd page unique). I am satisfied with CCBill but maybe sometimes declines more CCs than it is needed... __________________ I am still looking for new mature trades. Let's trade

07-11-2005, 09:14 AM	#20
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07-11-2005, 09:16 AM	#21
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07-11-2005, 09:17 AM	#22
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07-11-2005, 09:20 AM	#23
rockbear Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 806	I never had any luck too with CCbill sponsors.

07-11-2005, 09:29 AM	#26
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	I have noticed it as well. Maybe its the processing maybe its something else.. I dont really care, and i dont have the time to figure it out. I stopped using them long ago. ( for the most part ) If it was good enough i might promote it, but so far i'm not missing anything.. I have noticed the same trend with NATS.. Maybe its just coincidence that every nats sponsor i have tried does well worse than non-nats sponsors.. then again its hard to compare one against the other. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

07-11-2005, 09:32 AM	#27
blazin Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,781	Funny.. but I noticed a particular CCBILL site that although its main signup page is CCBILL... it cascades to another processor in case they get declined. Of course, you won't get paid from the other processor only from ccbill sales, means more money the owner if ccbill decline. Last edited by blazin; 07-11-2005 at 09:33 AM..

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07-11-2005, 09:40 AM	#32
cam4teen Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51	CCbill decline a lot of good cards Even me i tryed to signup some of my sites and other sites using CCbill with my 2 cards a VIsa and a Mastercard and all the two was declined I have some Sexkey sites , and CCBILL is the processor for sexkey and the sales dropped 50% because of the declines of ccbill

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07-11-2005, 09:58 AM	#39
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07-11-2005, 09:59 AM	#40
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	I am convinced there is an account specific scrub involved as well. CB ratio or otherwise anyone that knows and watches their traffic closely and has historical stats as well can see the trends. No one can tell me otherwise. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

07-11-2005, 10:03 AM	#41
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	posting that you can't make sales with ccbill is the same as posting that you don't have a clue how to make a gallery. it's pretty fucking easy to make sales with ccbill if you have more than 12 iq points. I mean - i can do it - day in and day out and i'm an idiot. Posting that you can't is saying you're dumber than a complete idiot. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

07-11-2005, 10:12 AM	#46
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	Its safe to say, based on the zillions of threads about ccbill, something is going on there thats not right. I know these things are very hard to check. we do our own processing and some and i know how strange statistics can be even on the largest numbers. But things like 1:400 for weeks going to 1:3000 all of the sudden are things that simply DONT happen and thats a situation that happens a lot at ccbill if i can believe the threads i see here., On the other hand Ebus: Are you sure it are 2 sales and not 1 customer fucking things up? Last edited by mrthumbs; 07-11-2005 at 10:14 AM..

07-11-2005, 10:23 AM	#48
Worldnet Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 996	Never any luck here with CC Bill sponsors either. Tried them off and on for several years.

07-11-2005, 11:20 AM	#50
SeniorX Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 302	same here, rotated between ccbill sales and merchant account for a week - merchant account's ratios are pretty much around 1:200, whereas ccbill's doing 1:400 one day, then 1:1500 the next. It's like when someone is not at the office manually checking things they turn on the turbo-scrubber.