Paysite member emails - sell them? Use them? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mako · 07-05-2005, 10:22 PM

What's the GFY consensus on the best way to drive revenue from email addresses that are generated from paysite signups?

Meaning each address has gone through an Epoch/CCBill signup process for a paid trial or full paid membership using either a credit card or online check, and been ACCEPTED.

I'd imagine they're like gold to the right people, but I have no experience in that arena and would like to hear opinions. What are they even worth?

Cash · 07-05-2005, 10:26 PM

By selling those emails you're no better than a spammer.

Mako · 07-05-2005, 10:29 PM

Don't worry Cash, I'll hold yours back from the sale.

Not looking to sell, don't misunderstand me, I don't even know the legality of a move like that in the current climate. But I'm looking for info either way, want to learn.

synapse · 07-05-2005, 11:23 PM

There are a number of factors to consider ...

Are the recipients fully opt'ed in ? ie. have u told them during the sign-up process that they could receive emails from you and or business partners?

Is this something you want to run your self or outsource? If you run it as a 'newsletter' type service with relevant updates and 'recommended' upsells in my mind this will work much better then blindly spamming people.

You need to consider that if it's something that's coming from you you may fall fowl of various ISP's spam filters if the emails aren't formatted properly and bounce backs etc. aren't handled right. This would have the cascade effect of possibly hurting u'r initial sign-up process.

Just my

Kassidy · 07-05-2005, 11:33 PM

Why sell when those people have a proven interest in what YOU are offering? Those email addresses are worth their weight in gold. Use the power wisely and those addresses can create some nice return business for you.

Mako · 07-05-2005, 11:46 PM

Right...but lets hear the how. That's what I'm after in this thread, how specifically can valid emails be monetized.

It's easy to say they're a gold mine, they're solid leads, yada yada, but lets hear specific techniques people are using to do well with them while not running afowl of their ISP or the law.

datatank · 07-05-2005, 11:52 PM

Anyway to contact you ?

datatank · 07-05-2005, 11:57 PM

bighip.com will also help you

Alky · 07-06-2005, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Anyway to contact you ?

anyway to contact you?

datatank · 07-06-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alky

anyway to contact you?

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Alky · 07-06-2005, 12:12 AM

email sent

bdld · 07-06-2005, 12:15 AM

when they cancel send an email with a cheap price to re-join, or have them extend their membership and sign up for a 1 week free trial.

datatank · 07-06-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alky

email sent

Nothing yet

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Alky · 07-06-2005, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Nothing yet

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hrm... have icq ? 9287771

synapse · 07-06-2005, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

bighip.com will also help you

datatank have u used these guys they look like they have a service I'd be very interested in ?

datatank · 07-06-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by synapse

datatank have u used these guys they look like they have a service I'd be very interested in ?

I have a client who uses them and yes they great.
They actually will hold your hand to make sure you are doing EVERYTHING right.

venus · 07-06-2005, 12:44 AM

personally, I think you should sell them to me.

synapse · 07-06-2005, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

I have a client who uses them and yes they great.
They actually will hold your hand to make sure you are doing EVERYTHING right.

Thanx for the info data

I'll be calling them this week.

Dollarmansteve · 07-06-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

What's the GFY consensus on the best way to drive revenue from email addresses that are generated from paysite signups?

Meaning each address has gone through an Epoch/CCBill signup process for a paid trial or full paid membership using either a credit card or online check, and been ACCEPTED.

I'd imagine they're like gold to the right people, but I have no experience in that arena and would like to hear opinions. What are they even worth?

hit me up on ICQ and I can monetize those emails for you.

Dalai lama · 07-06-2005, 02:02 PM

Use them yourself.

sweetcuties · 07-06-2005, 02:08 PM

I remember when a so called "cool person" asked to trade lists... I didn't. I'll never trade or sell my list. Funny thing, that so called "cool person" is no longer in biz

Janet Reno · 07-06-2005, 02:11 PM

ever heard of epoch one-clicks? just keep in mind, if you choose to sell them, you will no longer be able to use that list again. lists like these get re-sold over and over until they are completely useless. no matter how tempting the offer, you can make more by mailing it yourself.

oh and stay far away from any of the scumbags at 'top dog internet'

Mako · 07-06-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dalai lama

Use them yourself.

Yup, already covered pretty much by the four others in this thread that said "use them".

Question remains for that sharp person that doesn't answer posts in one-liner obvious cliches: How?

Still waiting for that answer...all I see are a dozen posts by clowns trying to prevent the "omg blasphemy!!!111" of selling them, which was never a fucking consideration for me anyway. Just trying to LEARN about all aspects of the business, including what the VALUE of these sorts of emails are and WHY they are valuable.

How. Someone post your thoughts on HOW large sponsors monetize their memebship emails.

The Ghost · 07-06-2005, 03:59 PM

Great question for discussion. It seemed the best response was the one detailing utilizing them to continue selling them your products. If they purchased a membership to 'Examplesite.com' and cancelled, you could send them a new offer to renew their membership at a reduced price or some extended terms. Or maybe even send them what/who the newest updates are that they've missed or new site additions to the network. As mentioned before, privacy and the sharing of the information is a big concern to most online consumers and all consumers.

I'm sure no large sponsers will divulge EXACTLY what they do with the information. There's a difference between being helpful and giving away the keys to the castle. I can imagine your e-mail is getting flooded with tons of people who want to "help" you.

solonline · 07-06-2005, 04:02 PM

we dont sell them but do use them for newsletters updates, upsells etc.
They work great... always have ..
We just make sure theirs a clean Remove Me link that actuall does remove those who want to opt out. We have sent millions of emails out the past 4 years and have only ever had no more than 10 complaints. So yep used in the right way they are killer money earner!

Mako · 07-06-2005, 04:13 PM

Good feedback for sure...how do you overcome the recent changes in Hotmail and Yahoo mail, where any email note containging a webpage link is blocked from delivery?

Bastards aren't even sending it to the "Spam" box, it's just not being delivered at all.

bigdog · 07-06-2005, 04:39 PM

don't worry someone is already mailing to your surfers on a daily basis

07-05-2005, 10:22 PM	#1
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	Paysite member emails - sell them? Use them? What's the GFY consensus on the best way to drive revenue from email addresses that are generated from paysite signups? Meaning each address has gone through an Epoch/CCBill signup process for a paid trial or full paid membership using either a credit card or online check, and been ACCEPTED. I'd imagine they're like gold to the right people, but I have no experience in that arena and would like to hear opinions. What are they even worth? __________________

07-05-2005, 10:26 PM	#2
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07-05-2005, 10:29 PM	#3
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	Don't worry Cash, I'll hold yours back from the sale. Not looking to sell, don't misunderstand me, I don't even know the legality of a move like that in the current climate. But I'm looking for info either way, want to learn. __________________

07-05-2005, 11:33 PM	#5
Kassidy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Vancouverish... ICQ# 111432084 Posts: 1,219	Why sell when those people have a proven interest in what YOU are offering? Those email addresses are worth their weight in gold. Use the power wisely and those addresses can create some nice return business for you. __________________ The ORIGINAL micro niche program- All Original and exclusive content. Paying 60% recurring through CCBill, FHG, free content & gallery templates Well researched niches with on-target content. SUBSTANCE SELLS!

07-05-2005, 11:46 PM	#6
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	Right...but lets hear the how. That's what I'm after in this thread, how specifically can valid emails be monetized. It's easy to say they're a gold mine, they're solid leads, yada yada, but lets hear specific techniques people are using to do well with them while not running afowl of their ISP or the law. __________________

07-05-2005, 11:23 PM	#4
synapse NameNetwork.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,175	There are a number of factors to consider ... Are the recipients fully opt'ed in ? ie. have u told them during the sign-up process that they could receive emails from you and or business partners? Is this something you want to run your self or outsource? If you run it as a 'newsletter' type service with relevant updates and 'recommended' upsells in my mind this will work much better then blindly spamming people. You need to consider that if it's something that's coming from you you may fall fowl of various ISP's spam filters if the emails aren't formatted properly and bounce backs etc. aren't handled right. This would have the cascade effect of possibly hurting u'r initial sign-up process. Just my

07-05-2005, 11:52 PM	#7
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07-05-2005, 11:57 PM	#8
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07-06-2005, 12:12 AM	#11
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07-06-2005, 12:15 AM	#12
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	when they cancel send an email with a cheap price to re-join, or have them extend their membership and sign up for a 1 week free trial.

07-06-2005, 12:44 AM	#17
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07-06-2005, 02:08 PM	#21
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	I remember when a so called "cool person" asked to trade lists... I didn't. I'll never trade or sell my list. Funny thing, that so called "cool person" is no longer in biz __________________

07-06-2005, 02:11 PM	#22
Janet Reno Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 167	ever heard of epoch one-clicks? just keep in mind, if you choose to sell them, you will no longer be able to use that list again. lists like these get re-sold over and over until they are completely useless. no matter how tempting the offer, you can make more by mailing it yourself. oh and stay far away from any of the scumbags at 'top dog internet'

07-06-2005, 03:59 PM	#24
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	Great question for discussion. It seemed the best response was the one detailing utilizing them to continue selling them your products. If they purchased a membership to 'Examplesite.com' and cancelled, you could send them a new offer to renew their membership at a reduced price or some extended terms. Or maybe even send them what/who the newest updates are that they've missed or new site additions to the network. As mentioned before, privacy and the sharing of the information is a big concern to most online consumers and all consumers. I'm sure no large sponsers will divulge EXACTLY what they do with the information. There's a difference between being helpful and giving away the keys to the castle. I can imagine your e-mail is getting flooded with tons of people who want to "help" you. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

07-06-2005, 04:02 PM	#25
solonline Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: EU- Posts: 718	we dont sell them but do use them for newsletters updates, upsells etc. They work great... always have .. We just make sure theirs a clean Remove Me link that actuall does remove those who want to opt out. We have sent millions of emails out the past 4 years and have only ever had no more than 10 complaints. So yep used in the right way they are killer money earner!

07-06-2005, 04:13 PM	#26
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	Good feedback for sure...how do you overcome the recent changes in Hotmail and Yahoo mail, where any email note containging a webpage link is blocked from delivery? Bastards aren't even sending it to the "Spam" box, it's just not being delivered at all. __________________

07-06-2005, 04:39 PM	#27
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	don't worry someone is already mailing to your surfers on a daily basis