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bigdog · 06-12-2005, 02:43 PM

paysite owners what percentage of your daily sales come from affilates using fhg?

Shap · 06-12-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

paysite owners what percentage of your daily sales come from affilates using fhg?

Hey Bigdog. What's up? Funny you should ask. I've been working on those stats this weekend

By the looks of it FHG account for 23.9% of our sales.

DamageX · 06-12-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

Hey Bigdog. What's up? Funny you should ask. I've been working on those stats this weekend

By the looks of it FHG account for 23.9% of our sales.

Hey Shap, since we got you in here, what's the average CTR to the paysite your FHG's get?

Shap · 06-12-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Hey Shap, since we got you in here, what's the average CTR to the paysite your FHG's get?

Hey DamageX. How's it going?

Our average click thru rate seems to be between 2% and 5%. I haven't kept accurate numbers on them in the past 6 months but that is what they were. Our single model galleries tend to have lower click thrus and our 4 girl galleries get very high CTRs (sometimes up to 6% and 7%). I will say thumb tgps have really really shit CTR for us.

BTW, I'm surprised nobody has come out with a Gallery specific script. You've got ucj and comus etc for Free sites. Affiliate software for paysites. You'd think somebody would jump on the opportunity to put together a simple and effective Gallery tracking Script. It could be as simple as counting incoming hits and click thrus and displaying CTR by gallery and then you could sort by date or by incoming referrer etc. What do you think good idea? I might have to get my programmer on this

If anybody else cares to write it feel free to hit me up for ideas on it as long as I get a free copy

DamageX · 06-12-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

Hey DamageX. How's it going?

Our average click thru rate seems to be between 2% and 5%. I haven't kept accurate numbers on them in the past 6 months but that is what they were. Our single model galleries tend to have lower click thrus and our 4 girl galleries get very high CTRs (sometimes up to 6% and 7%). I will say thumb tgps have really really shit CTR for us.

BTW, I'm surprised nobody has come out with a Gallery specific script. You've got ucj and comus etc for Free sites. Affiliate software for paysites. You'd think somebody would jump on the opportunity to put together a simple and effective Gallery tracking Script. It could be as simple as counting incoming hits and click thrus and displaying CTR by gallery and then you could sort by date or by incoming referrer etc. What do you think good idea? I might have to get my programmer on this

If anybody else cares to write it feel free to hit me up for ideas on it as long as I get a free copy

Shap, you're referring to CTR from gallery to paysite, not from TGP to gallery, correct? This could be a good idea, however, I'm not sure about a few things. I'm thinking, if you ran an analysis on your FHG's, the least exposed ones should have the highest CTR, at least in theory. Meaning that if you were to push harder a gallery with high CTR, some of those clicks will eventually go away due to overexposure. Factor in the fact that every TGP owner will list the same and use the same galleries and you'll get some very chaotic click tracking, which would eventually get you back to square one. Rule of averages would kick in and CTR would level across your whole FHG collection.

Tat2Jr · 06-12-2005, 03:19 PM

Hey! This is a business thread... with actual conversations about business?????? Do you guys want to get banned?

DamageX · 06-12-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

Hey! This is a business thread... with actual conversations about business?????? Do you guys want to get banned?

Ssssshhhh, don't let the cat out of the bag!

Shap · 06-12-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Shap, you're referring to CTR from gallery to paysite, not from TGP to gallery, correct? This could be a good idea, however, I'm not sure about a few things. I'm thinking, if you ran an analysis on your FHG's, the least exposed ones should have the highest CTR, at least in theory. Meaning that if you were to push harder a gallery with high CTR, some of those clicks will eventually go away due to overexposure. Factor in the fact that every TGP owner will list the same and use the same galleries and you'll get some very chaotic click tracking, which would eventually get you back to square one. Rule of averages would kick in and CTR would level across your whole FHG collection.

To the first point. Correct it is CTR from gallery to tour.

You may be right about the second point. I think a simple script could show some interesting stats. If you kept it hits in and clicks out and delivering CTR per gallery you'd be able to get some great information especially when matching it up to the sales per gallery. You'd be able to tell how good each gallery design really is.

DamageX · 06-12-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

To the first point. Correct it is CTR from gallery to tour.

You may be right about the second point. I think a simple script could show some interesting stats. If you kept it hits in and clicks out and delivering CTR per gallery you'd be able to get some great information especially when matching it up to the sales per gallery. You'd be able to tell how good each gallery design really is.

Well, I'm personally an advocate of less fancy designs. While you no doubt have to take into account the possibility of branding your paysite with the help of your FHG's, I'd still say that galleries created to sell more aggressively would make you more in the long run, without necessarily deceiving the surfer. I think one big mistake many program owners make is that they shell out shitloads for fancy gallery designs and only update their FHG's once in a blue moon... Personally I would rather concentrate on churning out new galleries on a regular basis, make them A LOT LESS graphically heavy and make sure they have clear-cut, in-your-face links for the surfer to click. Also I'd reduce the number of pics on each gallery to 8-10, as this would be a big enough amount to give the surfer a proper look at the content, while enticing him to move on to the paysite to get more. Many paysites have lots of really good content, so I don't think having enough material to create FHG's from would be any problem. I'd also concentrate more on getting some sleazy smack-talk story on the gallery, instead of lots of graphics to fill out the white space. Increase CTR, increase the number of signups, simple as that.

Hinc · 06-12-2005, 03:55 PM

I agree with DamageX on that one.
The percentage of sales, dunno - but its makes a great deal....

Btw - i need some gallery templates...hehe, spam me with cheap & effective offers

DamageX · 06-12-2005, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hinc

I agree with DamageX on that one.
The percentage of sales, dunno - but its makes a great deal....

Btw - i need some gallery templates...hehe, spam me with cheap & effective offers

I don't know about cheap, but I can make you some effective ones for $25 each. damagex at damagex dot com if you're interested and I'll get them done tomorrow.

beemk · 06-12-2005, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shap

Hey DamageX. How's it going?

Our average click thru rate seems to be between 2% and 5%. I haven't kept accurate numbers on them in the past 6 months but that is what they were. Our single model galleries tend to have lower click thrus and our 4 girl galleries get very high CTRs (sometimes up to 6% and 7%). I will say thumb tgps have really really shit CTR for us.

BTW, I'm surprised nobody has come out with a Gallery specific script. You've got ucj and comus etc for Free sites. Affiliate software for paysites. You'd think somebody would jump on the opportunity to put together a simple and effective Gallery tracking Script. It could be as simple as counting incoming hits and click thrus and displaying CTR by gallery and then you could sort by date or by incoming referrer etc. What do you think good idea? I might have to get my programmer on this

If anybody else cares to write it feel free to hit me up for ideas on it as long as I get a free copy

i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure BVCash.com does that. i cant seem to find my login right now or i would tell you for sure.

bigdog · 06-19-2005, 06:19 AM

bump la bump

seven · 06-19-2005, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

Hey! This is a business thread... with actual conversations about business?????? Do you guys want to get banned?

lol good one

good thread. keep on going guys.

diesel · 06-19-2005, 06:43 AM

We got 30% from FHGs in last 19 days.Since we are changing the system now and we will offer free hosting with unique domain name per affiliate, I believe the number will double itself soon.

jayeff · 06-19-2005, 07:14 AM

Overall the figures quoted here don't look too bad and in any case, the least useful value of the raw stats is in helping make decisions about the value of FHG's per se.

You start with confidence in your product (in this case your site(s)) and then work on the basis that all exposure is worth having. Apart from sales which come directly from FHG's (and bear in mind when looking at the raw stats that you cannot easily determine if someone bought after visiting one, six or a dozen of your galleries: although it might be interesting to try), you also have to figure that if surfers get a generally positive reaction to your galleries, then each one they see is enhancing your brand recognition and making an eventual sale more likely. Each gallery they see of yours, is also denying exposure to your competitors.

The real value of these stats would be helping you identify which niches/models/designs to focus on in future. Incidentally, now that more sponsors are being persuaded to provide descriptions for galleries, perhaps we can start getting them to provide niche identification for their galleries too? Yes - shock, horror - this might make life still easier for the "lazy" webmasters, but the real point is that it provides the sponsor with more control and sponsors should know best (from experience and from analysis of their stats) whether their teen galleries (for example) are best promoted as teens, hardcore, movies, or whatever. Far better to encourage webmasters to categorize galleries in the way that works best, than leave it to them to get it right. Or wrong...

bigdog · 06-23-2005, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

Overall the figures quoted here don't look too bad and in any case, the least useful value of the raw stats is in helping make decisions about the value of FHG's per se.

You start with confidence in your product (in this case your site(s)) and then work on the basis that all exposure is worth having. Apart from sales which come directly from FHG's (and bear in mind when looking at the raw stats that you cannot easily determine if someone bought after visiting one, six or a dozen of your galleries: although it might be interesting to try), you also have to figure that if surfers get a generally positive reaction to your galleries, then each one they see is enhancing your brand recognition and making an eventual sale more likely. Each gallery they see of yours, is also denying exposure to your competitors.

The real value of these stats would be helping you identify which niches/models/designs to focus on in future. Incidentally, now that more sponsors are being persuaded to provide descriptions for galleries, perhaps we can start getting them to provide niche identification for their galleries too? Yes - shock, horror - this might make life still easier for the "lazy" webmasters, but the real point is that it provides the sponsor with more control and sponsors should know best (from experience and from analysis of their stats) whether their teen galleries (for example) are best promoted as teens, hardcore, movies, or whatever. Far better to encourage webmasters to categorize galleries in the way that works best, than leave it to them to get it right. Or wrong...

good post

DamageX · 06-29-2005, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jayeff

The real value of these stats would be helping you identify which niches/models/designs to focus on in future. Incidentally, now that more sponsors are being persuaded to provide descriptions for galleries, perhaps we can start getting them to provide niche identification for their galleries too? Yes - shock, horror - this might make life still easier for the "lazy" webmasters, but the real point is that it provides the sponsor with more control and sponsors should know best (from experience and from analysis of their stats) whether their teen galleries (for example) are best promoted as teens, hardcore, movies, or whatever.

Good post. Would make sense for the sponsors to label each of their galleries into a main niche. But it'd also make sense for them to actually create the sites and FHG's according to the niche they want to cater to. Many don't realize that just because the site and galleries have a "teen" design, the content won't look teen no matter how much you Photoshop it. Same for mature (WTF, 32 is mature?!?) and so on.

spooky181 · 06-29-2005, 02:44 AM

We are at around 45% FHG sales...

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-29-2005, 02:49 AM

Well fuck me...
DamageX knows some shit.

Who would have thought.

Good readin.
Though FHG numbers for most programs are not exactly sterling results IMHO.
Guess its about leveraging TGP traffic to some extent for exposure.

Price in the bandwidth and pray for the recurring I suppose.

Anna_O · 06-29-2005, 03:17 AM

Over 50% FHG sales.

Manowar · 06-29-2005, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

Hey! This is a business thread... with actual conversations about business?????? Do you guys want to get banned?

HarlotCash Dyker · 06-29-2005, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

paysite owners what percentage of your daily sales come from affilates using fhg?

Everyone will come up with a different figure depending on the % of sales generated by the programmes owners.

We were getting around 20% sales from fhg's (sounds low, but in fact we work harder at generating our own sales than we will ever do generating advertising for webmasters to hear about us and use our fhgs!
One thing we do well tho is this - I always look at the hit ratio/ctr of galleries and those performing well will be looked at to find out why - Then we replace the images and maybe even the tenplate of the galleries not performing as well.
I did this recently and added close on 10% to the sales from fhgs.

DamageX · 06-29-2005, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by HarlotCash Dyker

Everyone will come up with a different figure depending on the % of sales generated by the programmes owners.

We were getting around 20% sales from fhg's (sounds low, but in fact we work harder at generating our own sales than we will ever do generating advertising for webmasters to hear about us and use our fhgs!
One thing we do well tho is this - I always look at the hit ratio/ctr of galleries and those performing well will be looked at to find out why - Then we replace the images and maybe even the tenplate of the galleries not performing as well.
I did this recently and added close on 10% to the sales from fhgs.

This thread is down-right evil. It's attracting all kinds of business reason. Don't think it has anything to do on GFY.

justsexxx · 06-29-2005, 04:24 AM

I measure my CTR of galleries(listed on other TGP's then mine) by simply looking at how many hits to the gallery, and with my linktracking script with unique ID's I can see which page(s) has the highest CTR.

Example I make 10 galleries with green background in the teen niche.

I list them on my dir

domain.com/teen/green/01/
domain.com/teen/green/02/
domain.com/teen/green/03/
etc

I use linktracking id?=greenteen for my linkingcode

After a few days, I look how much request for the dir teen/green/ and I look at how many clicks on linktracking id?=greenteen and I know my CTR.

However, as you proberly all know, a higher CTR doesn't always mean more sales.

When I make a link like, join here for a full month membership for only 29.95 my CTR will be lower, then when I use MORE FREE SMUT HERE. However, the conversions will be lower as well. Could end in making more sales...

Anyway you get the point

Anna_O · 06-29-2005, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HarlotCash Dyker

Everyone will come up with a different figure depending on the % of sales generated by the programmes owners.

I thought the question was only about affiliates since they are the ones using the FHGs... In case it's overall our numbers are around 20-25%.

justsexxx · 06-29-2005, 07:57 AM

bump 8chars

FilthyRob · 06-29-2005, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shap

Hey Bigdog. What's up? Funny you should ask. I've been working on those stats this weekend

By the looks of it FHG account for 23.9% of our sales.

Looks like I am about to add your galleries to my TGP.

DamageX · 06-29-2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

bump 8chars

Va2k · 06-29-2005, 08:02 AM

Wow very nice read, keep it going folks.
TOM

DamageX · 06-30-2005, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Va2k

Wow very nice read, keep it going folks.
TOM

I have a feeling it ain't gonna be going for much longer. It simply can't complete with all the "would you hit it?" as well as Juicy's threads...

justsexxx · 06-30-2005, 02:59 AM

this was it? jeez how sad

Anna_O · 06-30-2005, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

this was it? jeez how sad

Well, atleast we tried to keep a biz thread alive on GFY

DamageX · 06-30-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Well, atleast we tried to keep a biz thread alive on GFY

The thought counts. Commendable attempt.

Bake · 06-30-2005, 03:35 AM

Be nice to know sales verus BW and real costs of running FHG. the hosting and the costs of making them what is the net value?

SBJ · 06-30-2005, 08:52 AM

Nice thread! I just looked and it looks like for this month our FHG's are 43% which means it was a good idea that we had many gallery designers making our galleries.

I think I'll make up a few new ones today and I would love to have something to better track CTR from my galleries and from what part of the gallery they were coming from.

gdog · 06-30-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hinc

I agree with DamageX on that one.
The percentage of sales, dunno - but its makes a great deal....

Btw - i need some gallery templates...hehe, spam me with cheap & effective offers

I just ICQ'ed you, I got guys that bang out really cool FHG's for as low as 4.50 per gallery when ordered in bulk. But they do smaller orders at around $6.50 per gallery.

Depends on what you need too, they can do simple templates like this:
http://www.995hardcore.com/porn/daph...ore/index.html
http://www.995boobs.com/boobs/vanessa2/index.html

which are great for SE work too, and more complicated ones too like
http://www.995busty.com/free-porn/tara/index.html

but they were not as succesful for us as the ones above it.

Let me know how many you need made at gavin at adult-ventures.com, the minimum order is 100 for $650 on 2 templates, or 1000 hosted galleries for $4200.

Let me know, these guys do killer work.

gavin at adult-ventures.com

G

gdog · 06-30-2005, 09:47 AM

On a program note, I have noticed that our fast loading FHG's that are simple with the text in the middle get a better click through rate than our "prettier" hosted galleries. I use 2 other guys that create fresh galleries and submit and those do really well

Some examples
http://www.995blowjobs.com/galleries.../13/index.html
http://www.995shaved.com/angie/submit/05/0531/

If you want to spend a little cash each month and get some galleries made and then these guys are the way to go.

gavin at adult-ventures.com if you need them, they are always looking for more work.

CTR is not like it used to be back in the day that is for sure since the galleries are way more graphic and there are just so many programs out there that you can really jack off looking at galleries without having to go to the site.

G

Pornwolf · 06-30-2005, 10:08 AM

Great thread guys.

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Overall the figures quoted here don't look too bad and in any case, the least useful value of the raw stats is in helping make decisions about the value of FHG's per se. You start with confidence in your product (in this case your site(s)) and then work on the basis that all exposure is worth having. Apart from sales which come directly from FHG's (and bear in mind when looking at the raw stats that you cannot easily determine if someone bought after visiting one, six or a dozen of your galleries: although it might be interesting to try), you also have to figure that if surfers get a generally positive reaction to your galleries, then each one they see is enhancing your brand recognition and making an eventual sale more likely. Each gallery they see of yours, is also denying exposure to your competitors. The real value of these stats would be helping you identify which niches/models/designs to focus on in future. Incidentally, now that more sponsors are being persuaded to provide descriptions for galleries, perhaps we can start getting them to provide niche identification for their galleries too? Yes - shock, horror - this might make life still easier for the "lazy" webmasters, but the real point is that it provides the sponsor with more control and sponsors should know best (from experience and from analysis of their stats) whether their teen galleries (for example) are best promoted as teens, hardcore, movies, or whatever. Far better to encourage webmasters to categorize galleries in the way that works best, than leave it to them to get it right. Or wrong...

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justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	I measure my CTR of galleries(listed on other TGP's then mine) by simply looking at how many hits to the gallery, and with my linktracking script with unique ID's I can see which page(s) has the highest CTR. Example I make 10 galleries with green background in the teen niche. I list them on my dir domain.com/teen/green/01/ domain.com/teen/green/02/ domain.com/teen/green/03/ etc I use linktracking id?=greenteen for my linkingcode After a few days, I look how much request for the dir teen/green/ and I look at how many clicks on linktracking id?=greenteen and I know my CTR. However, as you proberly all know, a higher CTR doesn't always mean more sales. When I make a link like, join here for a full month membership for only 29.95 my CTR will be lower, then when I use MORE FREE SMUT HERE. However, the conversions will be lower as well. Could end in making more sales... Anyway you get the point __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

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