Why do people complain about having to join FSC? (mooches) - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

smack · 06-23-2005, 04:50 PM

fiddy tax write offs

Snake Doctor · 06-23-2005, 04:50 PM

50 mooches

fuck....51 mooches.

V_RocKs · 06-23-2005, 04:55 PM

Will the FSC membership list serve as a calling list to investigators if they do not get the injunction and if they lose the case altogether?

jonesy · 06-23-2005, 04:55 PM

its amazing these assholes compaling about supporting FSC finacially when its FSC whos in court fighting for them

The Sultan Of Smut · 06-23-2005, 05:02 PM

Awesome link Choker! For $100 if you don't join then you're truely pathetic. EVERY webmaster that is incorporated (or according to Choker not incorporated) can pay that. Period. Shit I'm even thinking about giving them some money and I'm Canadian.

Furious_Female · 06-23-2005, 05:13 PM

I'm so sick of people complaining about 2257, yet they did not lift a finger to prevent it from happening or do anything about it after it came to be. All these people do is bitch, bitch, bitch... and bitch some more when the government and others make decisions for them.

I believe the majority of people in this industry do not think long term. Webmasters (I use that word loosely) have become lazy, ignorant, whiney bastards. They want sponsors to do everything for them. They want everything handed to them; as if because this is such a lax industry at times, money is free. It's not free. Many of us work our asses off to treat this like any other business and then some spoiled idiot comes along; who was surfing TGPs galleries a month ago, decides they shouldn't have to put any effort into anything; just hand everything over to them, because "the world owes them." I can't stand people who only want to make a fast buck and don't think 6 months, a year, or 5 years ahead. It's frustrating; mainly because there's no way to regulate these clowns.

If you are not behind the scenes in some way (programmer, writer, account rep etc) or model/talent and cannot figure out how to generate traffic, sales, and contribute to the fight against threatening causes such as 2257, please step aside and let others who can.

"A litte less conversation, a little more action please..."

It's time to start taking the $ Webmasters $ "click here for money" links off of join pages and stop enticing surfers into an industry they know nothing about. I hate to say it, but *maybe* some stricter laws are needed to weed out some of the morons and make it harder for just anyone to decide to become a 'pornographer' or some other industry related career.

Sarah_Jayne · 06-23-2005, 05:24 PM

thanks FF now I have that Elvis song stuck in my head

Ramos · 06-23-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FunForOne

I liked your option to hook up your trusted webmasters with memberships.

I've sent my request in to ramos, but he is extremely busy. Anything we can do to make sure we get that done in time?

Hey Bro..I thought we already talked about this today on ICQ, I got you covered....I will email you more information tomorrow (friday) Thanks and I always have time for all my webmasters!

SiMpLe · 06-23-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

If one can't afford $300 in legal fees, one should focus on a new, more lucrative occupation, rather than participating in a business.

That's what I'm saying - It's not that friggn hard to cough up the $300 if you opt to make payments. IE: $25 per month for a year people and you all are bitchin!

Shit I blow that every day at 7/11 on my way to work.

Furious_Female · 06-23-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

thanks FF now I have that Elvis song stuck in my head

haha no prob!

LadyMischief · 06-23-2005, 05:54 PM

This kind of thing is just another cost of doing business.. If people are retarded enough to think they can flout the law and get away with it simply because their too cheap to keep their ducks in a row, that's their problem.

Hornydog4cooter · 06-23-2005, 05:57 PM

"A master list of members will be submitted to the special master on Wednesday and will include all FSC members as of 2 p.m. (PST) on Saturday."

http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9249

You can keep your FSC membership

Sosa · 06-23-2005, 05:58 PM

What is done with this list after the court trial? Win or Lose?

GigoloJustin · 06-23-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tootie

What about people who can't afford it? There are alot of little guys in this industry that are barely scraping a living out of it. $300 could pay alot of bills, and some people never even have $300 at one time. And yeah, they COULD get a job at McDonald's, but why should they? As long as they're making a living, why should they have any less right to exist in the industry than someone making $300k a year?

This is a High Risk industry. That's obvious.

So if they can not handle the legal burdons that come a long with it, it's time to move on.

pornguy · 06-23-2005, 06:01 PM

I contributed some time ago, but I still dont like the idea that they made the deal for only the paying members.

GatorB · 06-23-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

You could discuss the Government's rational in the agreement without your approval, but to say that the FSC should have to fight for a non-member is rather ludicrous.

Yes back in the 1960's the NAACP should have only fought for blacks that were actual members and not ALL minorities. Does the ACLU only fight for members? Does the NRA, or do they fight for ALL gun owners?

Redrob · 06-23-2005, 06:09 PM

FSC is pleased to announce that all membership and litigation contributions can be processed over the telephone as of 6:00 am Pacific Time Friday morning, June 24, 2005, through 2:00 pm, Saturday, June 25, 2005. Call 800.681.0403. Credit cards will be processed over the telephone.

Mr.Fiction · 06-23-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes back in the 1960's the NAACP should have only fought for blacks that were actual members and not ALL minorities. Does the ACLU only fight for members? Does the NRA, or do they fight for ALL gun owners?

The NAACP is a civil rights group. FSC is a business trade group.

If you want to make the world a better place, join the ACLU. If you want to protect your business, join FSC. If you're smart, join both!

GatorB · 06-23-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

The NAACP is a civil rights group. FSC is a business trade group.

If you want to make the world a better place, join the ACLU. If you want to protect your business, join FSC. If you're smart, join both!

My point totally went over your head. So what is the NRA?

Cory W · 06-23-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

My point totally went over your head. So what is the NRA?

The FSC is a plaintiff. This is how the law works. The agreement protects the plaintiffs, which in this case happen to be those that donate to current and future litigations.

You are asking that they litigate on behalf of those that do not financially assist with the litigation. Not too mention the fact that the fee is small and supports a business that should yield an individual this type of income.

Not fighting with you, just making the point...

Mr.Fiction · 06-23-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

My point totally went over your head. So what is the NRA?

The NRA is like the ACLU for gun owners?

chadglni · 06-23-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tootie

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I know at least 10 designers and text writers in this business that are making decent livings, better than working at a fast food joint, but just enough to scrape by. These people don't have any less right to exist in the business than anyone else. Period. $300 is an unbelivable amount to some of them, and even $50 would be a stretch. I really feel for alot of people that want to join and just can't.

In short, they need to find a new fucking business. $300 is NOTHING when you run your own business. If they want to play in adult they can pay the price, fight for themselves, or hope they don't get on a hit list.

Sheesh.

Mr.Fiction · 06-23-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

In short, they need to find a new fucking business. $300 is NOTHING when you run your own business. If they want to play in adult they can pay the price, fight for themselves, or hope they don't get on a hit list.

Sheesh.

When one of those people who can't afford $300 gets arrested what will they do to defend themselves?

chadglni · 06-23-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

When one of those people who can't afford $300 gets arrested what will they do to defend themselves?

I imagine they'll have a friend set up a legal defense fund and post on GFY for them begging for donations. Then once again all of the people that give a shit about this business will pony up some cash and all of the cheap ass beggars will see the thread as good news, for now they know they can beg for money if they ever get busted. Pathetic.

Atticus · 06-23-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

The NAACP is a civil rights group. FSC is a business trade group.

If you want to make the world a better place, join the ACLU. If you want to protect your business, join FSC. If you're smart, join both!

Exactly, so I wish everybody would quit with the free speech bullshit. This has absolutely nothing to do with free speech nor your freedom. This also has nothing to do with webmasters protecting models. This has to do with the government issuing regulations (because the industry couldnt do it for themselves) that cause certain webmasters to actually spend more money or more time to become compliant. For some its about saving their ass since they have been using content that hasnt been properly documented. They dont like it but fighting a child pornography law by saying "this will cost me money" isnt a good case, so they go with the "free speech" angle.

Bill8 · 06-23-2005, 07:40 PM

All you folks saying "Comply, just comply, it's the law now" are convieniently ignoring the fact that it's a badly constructed and almost certainly unconstitutional regulation.

It's unamerican to blindly obey an unconstitutional regulation.

To those saying "this industry needs regulation", maybe so, but in what conceivable way does the 2257 record-keeping requirements regulate anything important about the industry.

What needs to be regulated is billing, truth in advertising, spam, spyware, and toolbars. There is no flood of underage porn ANYWHERE in legitimate adult that needs to be regulated.

AmeliaG · 06-23-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Ummm, I thought you settled with Acacia. I think most others thought the same thing.

I actually thought that too. Probably because of Playboy Cash, given that Playboy settled.

Belated kudos to you.

FightThisPatent · 06-23-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Ummm, I thought you settled with Acacia. I think most others thought the same thing.

I thinkt that in the beginning, adult.com was looking at the options... you know, cheaper to settle than spend money on lawyers, and in the end, adult.com is a litigant against Acacia....so no, they did not settle.

Fight the Patent!

GigoloJustin · 06-23-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Exactly, so I wish everybody would quit with the free speech bullshit. This has absolutely nothing to do with free speech nor your freedom. This also has nothing to do with webmasters protecting models. This has to do with the government issuing regulations (because the industry couldnt do it for themselves) that cause certain webmasters to actually spend more money or more time to become compliant. For some its about saving their ass since they have been using content that hasnt been properly documented. They dont like it but fighting a child pornography law by saying "this will cost me money" isnt a good case, so they go with the "free speech" angle.

I don't think that's true for all of us. I'm not against stricter regs at all. There are some people in the industry who play on the wrong side and should be fucked. The problem is that some of these new regs just really don't make any sense.

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06-23-2005, 04:55 PM	#54
jonesy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,688	its amazing these assholes compaling about supporting FSC finacially when its FSC whos in court fighting for them __________________ . Shooting Bikini Girls

06-23-2005, 05:02 PM	#55
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	Awesome link Choker! For $100 if you don't join then you're truely pathetic. EVERY webmaster that is incorporated (or according to Choker not incorporated) can pay that. Period. Shit I'm even thinking about giving them some money and I'm Canadian. Last edited by The Sultan Of Smut; 06-23-2005 at 05:05 PM..

06-23-2005, 05:13 PM	#56
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	I'm so sick of people complaining about 2257, yet they did not lift a finger to prevent it from happening or do anything about it after it came to be. All these people do is bitch, bitch, bitch... and bitch some more when the government and others make decisions for them. I believe the majority of people in this industry do not think long term. Webmasters (I use that word loosely) have become lazy, ignorant, whiney bastards. They want sponsors to do everything for them. They want everything handed to them; as if because this is such a lax industry at times, money is free. It's not free. Many of us work our asses off to treat this like any other business and then some spoiled idiot comes along; who was surfing TGPs galleries a month ago, decides they shouldn't have to put any effort into anything; just hand everything over to them, because "the world owes them." I can't stand people who only want to make a fast buck and don't think 6 months, a year, or 5 years ahead. It's frustrating; mainly because there's no way to regulate these clowns. If you are not behind the scenes in some way (programmer, writer, account rep etc) or model/talent and cannot figure out how to generate traffic, sales, and contribute to the fight against threatening causes such as 2257, please step aside and let others who can. "A litte less conversation, a little more action please..." It's time to start taking the $ Webmasters $ "click here for money" links off of join pages and stop enticing surfers into an industry they know nothing about. I hate to say it, but maybe some stricter laws are needed to weed out some of the morons and make it harder for just anyone to decide to become a 'pornographer' or some other industry related career. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

06-23-2005, 04:55 PM	#53
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	Will the FSC membership list serve as a calling list to investigators if they do not get the injunction and if they lose the case altogether?

06-23-2005, 05:24 PM	#57
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	thanks FF now I have that Elvis song stuck in my head

06-23-2005, 05:54 PM	#61
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	This kind of thing is just another cost of doing business.. If people are retarded enough to think they can flout the law and get away with it simply because their too cheap to keep their ducks in a row, that's their problem. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

06-23-2005, 05:57 PM	#62
Hornydog4cooter Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,859	"A master list of members will be submitted to the special master on Wednesday and will include all FSC members as of 2 p.m. (PST) on Saturday." http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9249 You can keep your FSC membership

06-23-2005, 05:58 PM	#63
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	What is done with this list after the court trial? Win or Lose?

06-23-2005, 06:01 PM	#65
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I contributed some time ago, but I still dont like the idea that they made the deal for only the paying members. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

06-23-2005, 06:09 PM	#67
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	FSC is pleased to announce that all membership and litigation contributions can be processed over the telephone as of 6:00 am Pacific Time Friday morning, June 24, 2005, through 2:00 pm, Saturday, June 25, 2005. Call 800.681.0403. Credit cards will be processed over the telephone.

06-23-2005, 07:40 PM	#76
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	All you folks saying "Comply, just comply, it's the law now" are convieniently ignoring the fact that it's a badly constructed and almost certainly unconstitutional regulation. It's unamerican to blindly obey an unconstitutional regulation. To those saying "this industry needs regulation", maybe so, but in what conceivable way does the 2257 record-keeping requirements regulate anything important about the industry. What needs to be regulated is billing, truth in advertising, spam, spyware, and toolbars. There is no flood of underage porn ANYWHERE in legitimate adult that needs to be regulated.