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2HousePlague · 06-18-2005, 11:24 PM

So, I was sitting on the can a minute ago, leafing through the Adult WEBSITE Tours* magazine I picked up in San Diego, reading about actress Jesse Jane's pre-porn life.

I've got the magazine folded in half, so I see only the text and a picture of Jesse in a bikini. The story provided a lot of background on Jesse -- army brat, cheerleader, her early modeling gigs, even about an impromptu sex romp she once had in a Hooter men's room. Before I realized what was happening, I found myself pretty aroused. The text and a bikini pic had done a pretty good job at stirring my usually lethargic masturbatory impulse -- and, no I didn't -- I decided to write this instead --

It hit me (again, if from a new direction) that we're not paying enough attention to important opportunities on the Mainstream / Adult border. As I wrote in XBIZ back in January, and as I've been saying pretty consistently every moment since, the answer to our legal imperilment is not JUST capable litigation and political lobbying (though those elements are essential), but inventing new businesses and changing the skin of old businesses all along that borderline.

As I read Jesse Jane?s risqué biography, I realized not only that it could make a successful movie, but that probably no one in our biz (the biz the story is set in) would make it. We?ve seen similar movies do well ? like Wonderland, Boogie Nights and the one where the playboy model got killed by the jealous boyfriend ? what the hell was her name?

Now, I?m not so much pitching the Jesse Jane bio-movie idea to you, as I am holding it up as an example of a whole spectrum of things we don?t much think about ? because they are on that border, and perhaps because we can?t justify tearing ourselves away for even 5 minutes from Porn?s Rich Teat.

Before the increase in legal-issue-oriented conversation we?ve seen these last coupla months, I would have said that I was worried most of you were short-termers, quick-buckers, or make-it-while-you-canners. But I am sincerely encouraged by the level of energy I?ve seen. That energy, while very auspicious, has ? I must say ? seemed a little un-focused to me, perhaps at times even hysterical.

We have this one traditional defense, and it?s a great one ? but I think that, for seeing in every threat of ?curtailment? only censorship, we have lost touch with some larger-picture aspects of doing business on planet Earth in favor of ever-grander Wizardries right in our own backyard.

Ladies and gentlemen, the golden goose is more productive than ever, but we are neglecting the barn that houses her.

It is the barn that people see when they walk past outside. It is our public face to the rest of the world, to other industries, to government, to the society we?re choosing to support by living in this country.

I?m going to be writing a little op-ed piece for XBIZ soon to pick this theme up from this point. In it, I?m going to suggest a number of truths to you from PR and Marketing Communications text-books, that it may profit us to re-learn.

Just to finish up the Jesse Jane movie idea ? Make films that are ?pre-scaled for profitability? using production resources we already have, talent we already pay and stories nobody knows better or has more of than we do. Sell those films to small broadcast and cable markets. Experiment aggressively with content tolerance limitations, by combining nudity/sexual situations with ?psychological enhancers? ? like I enjoyed merely reading about Jesse Jane?s early life, which was eroticized for me just because I knew she was going to become a porn star.

We have to look at examples like Reality TV (which I?ve discussed at length before, and), which I?ve described as thinly veiled BDSM ? we can?t show her bush, but we?ll stuff a bull testicle in her mouth while she wears a bikini -- examples like Law & Order ?Special Victims Unit? which is a police show that only deals with sexual crimes, and the list goes on and on.

Yes, the people producing that sort of entertainment are opportunistic, and for the covert, deniable mechanics through which they gratify their audience on a sexual level, but pretend otherwise ? they look sleazy as hell to us. How ironic, then, that those TV, Hollywood and publishing executives don?t lose any sleep worrying their neighbors will find out what they do for a living. That?s just us ? the folks who hold-up as their Magna Carta one of human civilization?s loftiest ideological arguments. As I said, it?s a great argument, but it suffers the vulnerability of all absolutes. It only has to fail us once.

To be flexible is not the same as to yield. Let?s empower our own industry with the flexibility necessary for US to tell our stories to the world, for US to influence what people think about us, for US to make the money now being made by others who are not us and don?t care about us, for US to carry out what looks to me like a triple-win:

1. An increase in the revenue footprint of our industry,

2. A reduction in our legal embattlement, (for the ?practitioners? in Adult being more vertically distributed than they are now, to include additional layers of workers it?s simply not practical to prosecute),

3. A healthier social environment for human sexuality than we?ve got now (because we?ve gotten involved with the selling and the characterizing of Sex OUTSIDE of Adult) --

2HP

*(Adult Broker, Lori Z. called this magazine a "print TGP", which I thought was both brilliant and a good idea --

)

seeric · 06-18-2005, 11:47 PM

you are a deep thinker. well written and thought out.

J$tyle$ · 06-18-2005, 11:52 PM

Man, so many stories that I can recall from the last 9 years that SHOULD be made into movies !

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 06-19-2005, 12:04 AM

Translation?

J/K

Ycaza · 06-19-2005, 04:29 AM

interesting. definitely.

Mutt · 06-19-2005, 04:56 AM

lofty goals but you forgot one thing - there aren't 2 people in the entire porn industry with anything even remotely close to real talent - they wouldn't be in this business if they had any real talent. you are asking people who are incapable of telling the kind of story you read about Jesse Jane, it's like giving a mongloid a differential calculus problem to solve - you are cruel.

2HousePlague · 06-19-2005, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

lofty goals but you forgot one thing - there aren't 2 people in the entire porn industry with anything even remotely close to real talent - they wouldn't be in this business if they had any real talent. you are asking people who are incapable of telling the kind of story you read about Jesse Jane, it's like giving a mongloid a differential calculus problem to solve - you are cruel.

damn -- sounds like a bad case of Ghetto Self-Pity, bro -- you really should take something for that --

it's not your fault, though -- with so many people telling you that you're just no good, a criminal, that your talents are not really talents, and not to be measured against the contributions of "legitimate society" -- well -- FUCK THAT -- !

the predator IMPROVES the herd, my friend -- and we have been hunted for a while now -- i'll put my money on the Adult Biz over ANY other biz anytime -- i've found more brains in morning-after wads of kleenex in certain suites at Internext than in some entire companies i've worked for -- you should read Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut -- might help ya bust your chains --

from "Still I Rise" -- by Maya Angelou

Quote:

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.

2HP

SexyScribe · 06-19-2005, 11:10 AM

Do a lot of deep thinkin on the can, do ya? ;)

You realise, of course, that you're asking more than most people are even aware of... Nonetheless, I applaud your idealism. Count me in. :D

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-19-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

We?ve seen similar movies do well ? like Wonderland, Boogie Nights and the one where the playboy model got killed by the jealous boyfriend ? what the hell was her name?
2HP

*(Adult Broker, Lori Z. called this magazine a "print TGP", which I thought was both brilliant and a good idea --

)

Nice post, Jack. Well written and thoughtful as usual.

Canadian-born Dorothy Stratten was named the 1980 Playmate of the Year, just months before she was murdered by her estranged husband. She was only 20 years old. He shot her in the face with a shotgun before commiting suicide.

Mariel Hemingway played Dorothy Stratten in the bio movie "Star 80".

ADG Webmaster

Halcyon · 06-19-2005, 12:05 PM

AWESOME ideas.
I have been very involved lately with alternative media distribution. LOTS of venture capital going that direction.

What that means is that there will be a HUGE opportunity for lower-scale video projects to get broadcast in the near future. (a few steps above home movies, one step below TV show.) This seems ideal for the porn equipment/talent pool. (hell, they could even be feeder movies for your sites)

If anyone has shows/films/etc. or is making them, we should talk.

2HousePlague · 06-19-2005, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Nice post, Jack. Well written and thoughtful as usual.

Canadian-born Dorothy Stratten was named the 1980 Playmate of the Year, just months before she was murdered by her estranged husband. She was only 20 years old. He shot her in the face with a shotgun before commiting suicide.

Mariel Hemingway played Dorothy Stratten in the bio movie "Star 80".

ADG Webmaster

thanks a lot -- adg -- and thanks for diggin' up that info and the pix, bro -- you're one of the only people on this board who appreciates and makes good use of the Thread Medium's visual enrichment power -- ideas -- WELL PRESENTED --

2HP

wimpy · 06-19-2005, 06:27 PM

Jack,

I always like your threads, and I usually agree. But...

It is easier to make money with adult, just as it is with drug dealing or sex slave trading. Whenever it meets a need in the market, but most people won't do it, it is easier money. Hense, the people who do it tend to be not as good business people as in other lines of work.

Less so today than several years ago. Then, any idiot could make big bucks in porn. Today it takes tons of work or a huge brain, or both. But still, pound for pound, you make more money with porn than more mainstream stuff.

2HousePlague · 06-20-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wimpy

Jack,

I always like your threads, and I usually agree. But...

It is easier to make money with adult, just as it is with drug dealing or sex slave trading. Whenever it meets a need in the market, but most people won't do it, it is easier money. Hense, the people who do it tend to be not as good business people as in other lines of work.

Less so today than several years ago. Then, any idiot could make big bucks in porn. Today it takes tons of work or a huge brain, or both. But still, pound for pound, you make more money with porn than more mainstream stuff.

Thanks, Wimpy -- let me clarify what I am suggesting a bit:

I'm not saying that any of us should abandon what are clearly and by a wide margin the most profitable aspects of our business. What I'm saying is that there are many, many opportunities arrayed along the mainstream / adult borderline that make excellent sense for us to be involved with, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE PROFITABLE THAN OUR CORE ADULT OPERATIONS, but because -- in light of our various legal and political vulnerabilities -- doing so would give us greater influence over the ways Adult is perceived in our society -- think of it as PR with a revenue model.

I often look to Las Vegas for many inspirational ideas we might apply to our business. In Vegas, we all know where the big money and the super-fat margins come from. But I don't think any of us would be surprised to discover that casino owner/operators were involved with "projects" that don't return as much as the craps tables, but offer the opportunity to shape and influence what is understood about the city and the gaming operations that sustain it.

The "Players" in Vegas don't spend all day counting their money in the backoffice, and just TRUST that the rest of the business world will do all it can to support gaming and cooperate with casino operators. You can bet there are "casino people" sitting around the table whenever any kind of deal is coming together that touches on the city in any way -- whether it's SouthWest Airlines, McDonalds, the City Construction Authority or Cirque de Soleil.

For us the need is an urgent one -- becuase it's not just about top or bottom lines, it's about our very survival. We simply cannot afford to be under-represented or mis-represented in non-adult-businesses that affect us. The fact that we could achieve that representation and turn a profit (albeit not as juicy a profit as our pure adult plays) makes this a no-brainer for me --

2HP

Tala · 06-20-2005, 12:56 PM

j-baby, Q me when you get a chance please.

06-18-2005, 11:24 PM	#1
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	other movies we could make... So, I was sitting on the can a minute ago, leafing through the Adult WEBSITE Tours* magazine I picked up in San Diego, reading about actress Jesse Jane's pre-porn life. I've got the magazine folded in half, so I see only the text and a picture of Jesse in a bikini. The story provided a lot of background on Jesse -- army brat, cheerleader, her early modeling gigs, even about an impromptu sex romp she once had in a Hooter men's room. Before I realized what was happening, I found myself pretty aroused. The text and a bikini pic had done a pretty good job at stirring my usually lethargic masturbatory impulse -- and, no I didn't -- I decided to write this instead -- It hit me (again, if from a new direction) that we're not paying enough attention to important opportunities on the Mainstream / Adult border. As I wrote in XBIZ back in January, and as I've been saying pretty consistently every moment since, the answer to our legal imperilment is not JUST capable litigation and political lobbying (though those elements are essential), but inventing new businesses and changing the skin of old businesses all along that borderline. As I read Jesse Jane?s risqué biography, I realized not only that it could make a successful movie, but that probably no one in our biz (the biz the story is set in) would make it. We?ve seen similar movies do well ? like Wonderland, Boogie Nights and the one where the playboy model got killed by the jealous boyfriend ? what the hell was her name? Now, I?m not so much pitching the Jesse Jane bio-movie idea to you, as I am holding it up as an example of a whole spectrum of things we don?t much think about ? because they are on that border, and perhaps because we can?t justify tearing ourselves away for even 5 minutes from Porn?s Rich Teat. Before the increase in legal-issue-oriented conversation we?ve seen these last coupla months, I would have said that I was worried most of you were short-termers, quick-buckers, or make-it-while-you-canners. But I am sincerely encouraged by the level of energy I?ve seen. That energy, while very auspicious, has ? I must say ? seemed a little un-focused to me, perhaps at times even hysterical. We have this one traditional defense, and it?s a great one ? but I think that, for seeing in every threat of ?curtailment? only censorship, we have lost touch with some larger-picture aspects of doing business on planet Earth in favor of ever-grander Wizardries right in our own backyard. Ladies and gentlemen, the golden goose is more productive than ever, but we are neglecting the barn that houses her. It is the barn that people see when they walk past outside. It is our public face to the rest of the world, to other industries, to government, to the society we?re choosing to support by living in this country. I?m going to be writing a little op-ed piece for XBIZ soon to pick this theme up from this point. In it, I?m going to suggest a number of truths to you from PR and Marketing Communications text-books, that it may profit us to re-learn. Just to finish up the Jesse Jane movie idea ? Make films that are ?pre-scaled for profitability? using production resources we already have, talent we already pay and stories nobody knows better or has more of than we do. Sell those films to small broadcast and cable markets. Experiment aggressively with content tolerance limitations, by combining nudity/sexual situations with ?psychological enhancers? ? like I enjoyed merely reading about Jesse Jane?s early life, which was eroticized for me just because I knew she was going to become a porn star. We have to look at examples like Reality TV (which I?ve discussed at length before, and), which I?ve described as thinly veiled BDSM ? we can?t show her bush, but we?ll stuff a bull testicle in her mouth while she wears a bikini -- examples like Law & Order ?Special Victims Unit? which is a police show that only deals with sexual crimes, and the list goes on and on. Yes, the people producing that sort of entertainment are opportunistic, and for the covert, deniable mechanics through which they gratify their audience on a sexual level, but pretend otherwise ? they look sleazy as hell to us. How ironic, then, that those TV, Hollywood and publishing executives don?t lose any sleep worrying their neighbors will find out what they do for a living. That?s just us ? the folks who hold-up as their Magna Carta one of human civilization?s loftiest ideological arguments. As I said, it?s a great argument, but it suffers the vulnerability of all absolutes. It only has to fail us once. To be flexible is not the same as to yield. Let?s empower our own industry with the flexibility necessary for US to tell our stories to the world, for US to influence what people think about us, for US to make the money now being made by others who are not us and don?t care about us, for US to carry out what looks to me like a triple-win: 1. An increase in the revenue footprint of our industry, 2. A reduction in our legal embattlement, (for the ?practitioners? in Adult being more vertically distributed than they are now, to include additional layers of workers it?s simply not practical to prosecute), 3. A healthier social environment for human sexuality than we?ve got now (because we?ve gotten involved with the selling and the characterizing of Sex OUTSIDE of Adult) -- 2HP *(Adult Broker, Lori Z. called this magazine a "print TGP", which I thought was both brilliant and a good idea -- ) __________________ tada!

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	lofty goals but you forgot one thing - there aren't 2 people in the entire porn industry with anything even remotely close to real talent - they wouldn't be in this business if they had any real talent. you are asking people who are incapable of telling the kind of story you read about Jesse Jane, it's like giving a mongloid a differential calculus problem to solve - you are cruel. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	you are a deep thinker. well written and thought out.

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J$tyle$ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 11,500	Man, so many stories that I can recall from the last 9 years that SHOULD be made into movies !

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Halcyon Spread The Pink! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: TrampStampStudios.com Posts: 8,609	AWESOME ideas. I have been very involved lately with alternative media distribution. LOTS of venture capital going that direction. What that means is that there will be a HUGE opportunity for lower-scale video projects to get broadcast in the near future. (a few steps above home movies, one step below TV show.) This seems ideal for the porn equipment/talent pool. (hell, they could even be feeder movies for your sites) If anyone has shows/films/etc. or is making them, we should talk. __________________ HAL on TEDx:

06-19-2005, 06:27 PM	#12
wimpy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cali Posts: 607	Jack, I always like your threads, and I usually agree. But... It is easier to make money with adult, just as it is with drug dealing or sex slave trading. Whenever it meets a need in the market, but most people won't do it, it is easier money. Hense, the people who do it tend to be not as good business people as in other lines of work. Less so today than several years ago. Then, any idiot could make big bucks in porn. Today it takes tons of work or a huge brain, or both. But still, pound for pound, you make more money with porn than more mainstream stuff. __________________ Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote: "Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone but only his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind." icq 8243657

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