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Old 06-16-2005, 07:14 PM   #1
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Free Speech Coalition Files Suit Seeking TRO Against 2257 Regs

has anyone even been able to join the coalition recently?

FSC Files Suit Seeking TRO Against 2257 Regs
By: Kathee Brewer
Posted: 6:00 pm PDT 6-16-2005

DENVER - The Free Speech Coalition on Thursday filed a complaint and motion seeking temporary injunctive relief against enforcement of the recently revised federal regulations pertaining to 18 U.S.C. §2257. ?Twenty-two fifty-seven,? as it is known colloquially, is the federal records-keeping and labeling act outlining penalties for failure to document the ages of models and actors who appear in sexually explicit imagery. The revised regulations, which specify how 2257 documentation must be kept, who must keep it, and how it may be inspected, were published in the Federal Register May 24 and will take effect June 23.

Since their publication, the regulations have been criticized by adult industry attorneys as vague, onerous, potentially self-incriminatory, and possibly broadly unconstitutional.

The suit, Free Speech Coalition v. Alberto Gonzales, was filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado late Thursday afternoon on behalf of the membership of the FSC. It outlines more than 20 separate claims on the basis of which the FSC is asking the court to issue a temporary restraining order.

Three legal firms represent the FSC in the filing: Colorado-based Schwartz & Goldberg PC, Ohio-based Sirkin, Pinales & Schwartz LLP, and New York-based Lipsitz, Green, Fahringer, Roll, Salisbury & Cambria. None of the attorneys involved in the filing were available for comment at press time, and other attorneys close to the case declined to comment, as well.

However, according to FSC spokesman Tom Hymes, the FSC?s attorneys expect the court will order a hearing on the motion before June 23. Attorneys H. Louis Sirkin, Paul J. Cambria Jr., and Michael W. Gross are prepared to present the FSC?s arguments to the court.

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Old 06-16-2005, 07:17 PM   #2
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Drama???

I been saying all along the new 2257 V2 won't pass.

But since everyone built scripts, offered solutions, consulted attornies and spent all kinds of money willingly giving up our rights willingly rolling over to the will of a hostile and obvious right wing wacko drawn paper I must be wrong again somewhere?

LOL.

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Old 06-16-2005, 07:22 PM   #3
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I am glad that the FSC has done what its done.

It's really to bad most companies just simply cower to these crack head agenda laws that come our way and spend more money adapting to what ever puke is coughed up by lawmakers when it would be cheaper to establish a lobbying power as a whole in the government...
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:23 PM   #4
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But since everyone built scripts, offered solutions, consulted attornies and spent all kinds of money willingly giving up our rights willingly rolling over to the will of a hostile and obvious right wing wacko drawn paper I must be wrong again somewhere?
No shit. It's like "if you can't beat em, join em"
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:25 PM   #5
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But hey what does a guy that works out of his home/garage have to say about all this???


I am very dissapointed in the industry once again.
We all talk about being real men however when it comes to protecting thier lively hood they cower in the corner like a crying baby.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:29 PM   #6
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This is very good news.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:29 PM   #7
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If I had the fucking money like all these "High Roller " players or big money guys in this business I would use some of that power effectively in fighting the government that wants us all dead.

Guess its a good thing I am nothing but a minor weight Adult Webmaster/Artist.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:32 PM   #8
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We will prevail...this shit will not fly.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:34 PM   #9
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Nice doing it in Colorado, where they ruled for Sundance in their 2257 case.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:37 PM   #10
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kick some ass FSC!
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:40 PM   #11
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hope it goes well
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:43 PM   #12
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I just tried faxing again no luck. Anyone have an alternative fax # please icq me 163884884
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:44 PM   #13
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I hate to sound all pissed about it.

I guess I come off that way, but our industry is in some deep shit if we allow rogue lawmakers to throw crap at us.

I can almost gurantee that when .XXX goes into effect Rightwing fuck jobs will be mobilising to herd us into concentration camps by kicking us into a net ghetto.

To top it all off that 60 Dollars per domain is most likely going to line pockets instead of establish a lobbying power.

Bah I am gonna stop now, this crap makes me sick.
Our future is fucked, when all we got is the FSC stepping upto plate under funded and under valued while doing the right thing for us all.

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Old 06-16-2005, 07:48 PM   #14
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Cool development.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:50 PM   #15
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Alien - there is nothing wrong in anyone preparing to comply with the 2257 regulations. In fact it is the prudent and wise thing for any responsible business man to do.

There is no guarantee that the FSC will get an injunction and even if it does there is no guarantee that ultimately the regulations will not be passed.

This is and always has been a situation where people who have half a brain need to hedge their bets and choosing not to do so in the hope that some Judge will be nice to the industry and give us what we want is short-sighted in the extreme.
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Old 06-16-2005, 07:53 PM   #16
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There a copy of the suit online anywhere?
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Well it seems "Half" that brain power for these 2257 powerscripts written by script kiddies was nothing more than an aim to capitalise on our industries failures to protect itself utilizing fear to motivate people to use them, when they would not fucking work anyways.

We need Armor, not more scripts and crap that do nothing more than say, "Hey come and fuck me uncle sam!"

If you went through the new 2257 Proposal, its a fucken preposterous paper with open ends that basically allow the government to take you away in cuff's cuz there was no way to follow the letter of the law and you would have to use your attornies best judgement to follow the proposed 2257 and still be fucking vulnerable.

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Alien it might seem preposterous to you but I spent 20 years working in the law and I can tell that common sense has little to do with the law and law always wins over common sense.
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Old 06-16-2005, 08:02 PM   #19
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Well it seems "Half" that brain power for these 2257 powerscripts written by cript kiddies was nothing more than an aim to capitalise on our industries failures to protect itself.

We need Armor, not more scripts and crap that do nothing more than say, "Hey come and fuck me uncle sam!"

If you went through the new 2257 Proposal, its a fucken preposterous paper with open ends that basically allow the government to take you away in cuff's cuz there was no way to follow the letter of the law and you would have to use your attornies best judgement to follow the proposed 2257 and still be fucking vulnerable.

Silly Rabbit the regulations are not a proposal they are regulations for an existing law, that is why they are retroactive. If you stick you head in the ground and do not follow them you risk going to prison; that is why anyone in this business in the US who has any intellegence although supporting the FSC is also trying to comply . The FSC injunction may or may not be granted, even if granted it will only delay implementation unless it is made permanent.
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Bump.

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I wonder if the DoJ planned on this. Probably.
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"The FSC injunction may or may not be granted, even if granted it will only delay implementation unless it is made permanent."

Problem is we would never have to deal with this shit if this industries founders gave a fuck made a lobbying power to prevent this kinda crap in the first place.

Stop being uber capitalists and work on defining our industry for the long haul.
We all will make more money. This is the same old game. You people just do not realise it yet and if we do not wake up as an industry and put real politics in mind we are doomed. Look at the shits thats happening.
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