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tranza · 06-15-2005, 02:28 PM

If you were starting your first paysite, which processor would you go with?..

And tell me the reason why you'd chose that one (most important!)!

Anna_O · 06-15-2005, 02:30 PM

We chose CCBill for our site.

Easy setup, no Visa fee for CCBill EU, easy to get affiliates promoting you since they can merge their excisting account.

tranza · 06-15-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anna_O

...easy to get affiliates promoting you since they can merge their excisting account.

Why didn't I think about that part??

Lol...

basschick · 06-15-2005, 02:36 PM

it would depend on what i wanted to do. epoch is great for cross sales, upsells, and cancellation emails offering better prices to cancelling members.

ccbill is good for affiliates - their affiliate program is simpler, has more features and much better stats.

both are good processors, and both have paid us for years with no major problems.

tranza · 06-15-2005, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by basschick

it would depend on what i wanted to do. epoch is great for cross sales, upsells, and cancellation emails offering better prices to cancelling members.

Damn, I guess I forgot about that. CCBill doesn't allow Cross sales?

I guess upsells would work the same for both processor, or am I wrong?

I really liked this cancellation e-mail ofer thing though....

MandyBlake · 06-15-2005, 02:40 PM

i chose ccbill cuz i don'thave an epoch account. lol

tranza · 06-15-2005, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MandyBlake

i chose ccbill cuz i don'thave an epoch account. lol

Lol......

tranza · 06-15-2005, 03:02 PM

I'm just glad I've made this poll public... This way I can see who's voting for who...

Mayor · 06-15-2005, 03:36 PM

Paycom cause there is no better group to be with!

tranza · 06-15-2005, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayor

Paycom cause there is no better group to be with!

Paycom = Epoch, it's their mainstream name, right?

Rand · 06-15-2005, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Paycom = Epoch, it's their mainstream name, right?

Yes. Paycom and Epoch / Same company.

Epoch to the adult industry. Paycom to the surfer.

webgurl · 06-15-2005, 03:47 PM

if you are cascading between the 2 which is primary and secondary is better ?

tranza · 06-15-2005, 03:49 PM

And which one do you guys think scrub harder?

Dirty-Dough · 06-15-2005, 03:57 PM

Paycom is Epoch is Paycom.. Its like the egg and the chicken..

As basschick have said, both have their pro's and con's... Both are trusted processors.

Epoch could have better integration of all admins and options available to site owners. (psst.. And somebody should do some redesigning for their sites...

)

CCbill: there are a whole bunch of possible affiliates who refuse to use CCBill because they say their overal ccbill stats suck.. It could cost you business..

Right now, thumbs up for both processors...

pussyluver · 06-15-2005, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty-Dough

Paycom is Epoch is Paycom.. Its like the egg and the chicken..

As basschick have said, both have their pro's and con's... Both are trusted processors.

Epoch could have better integration of all admins and options available to site owners. (psst.. And somebody should do some redesigning for their sites...

)

CCbill: there are a whole bunch of possible affiliates who refuse to use CCBill because they say their overal ccbill stats suck.. It could cost you business..

Right now, thumbs up for both processors...

Well did ccBill stats did go to hell?

pussyluver · 06-15-2005, 04:06 PM

To say so, I'd have to post proof.

HELMY · 06-15-2005, 04:10 PM

Paycom has been our primary processor since 1997 - CCBill our secondary since 2001. Can't go wrong.

alan-l · 06-15-2005, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

And which one do you guys think scrub harder?

I think Paycom scrubs harder, but only slightly. We use both of them, and it seems they "killed" most countries by default, they don't even check the CC, we tested it. So the best choice would have to use both (if possible) and then some euro processor as backup to capture all the remaining countries, some people thinks it means nothing, but to us represents between 20/25% of sales, so it's something to be aware of.

Another solution would be to have a custom solution in your country and have hand POS checking with 24 hours delay. It would end costing a lot less and you'll get most of the sales, but it is worthy only if you have a member base already or some security on acquiring it fast

andrej_NDC · 06-15-2005, 04:21 PM

honestly I dont know why epoch dont change their admin to a modern one, with click tracking, referrer tracking, etc...everything the affiliate needs these days...Is it that hard? If they did, I would check them immediately.

seven · 06-15-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Damn, I guess I forgot about that. CCBill doesn't allow Cross sales?

I guess upsells would work the same for both processor, or am I wrong?

I really liked this cancellation e-mail ofer thing though....

I think CCBill allows cross sales too not too sure thou since never even thought about trying that since i don't even like that idea. however, ccbill lets you offer a cancellation discount for sure and also member's loyalty discount so the members can recieve a discount like pay few dollars less/month starting every so many months (2 months, 3 months etc) for staying members at your site.

seven · 06-15-2005, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

honestly I dont know why epoch dont change their admin to a modern one, with click tracking, referrer tracking, etc...everything the affiliate needs these days...Is it that hard? If they did, I would check them immediately.

probably they figured it's better without since they see how affiliates bitch out ccbill cos they are in denial when they see the detailed stats of how bad their traffic quality is.. lol just kidding! I believe epoch has a better looking stats area too (wnu or something it's called i forget) but you'd have to use epoch's redirect to see clicks.

fraggle · 06-15-2005, 04:41 PM

both are great
CCbill has excellent client admin
PC i like sales interface

preferably both

bigdog · 06-15-2005, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

honestly I dont know why epoch dont change their admin to a modern one, with click tracking, referrer tracking, etc...everything the affiliate needs these days...Is it that hard? If they did, I would check them immediately.

seems strange they don't have a better stat system by now, thats why many people go with ccbill instead of epoch in the first place, if they don't plan on having their own stat program

facialfreak · 06-15-2005, 09:43 PM

While we've always used CCBill as our primary processor (since 1998), Epoch/Paycom/eP is a great company as well, with very fast, friendly and efficient customer support

basschick · 06-15-2005, 10:18 PM

as far as i know, ccbill does allow cross sales, but only revshare.

digifan · 06-16-2005, 12:20 AM

I vote for epoch... it is much easier to make sales with them than with ccbill... wonder why.

keyboard warrior · 06-16-2005, 08:24 AM

epoch converts better.

Dalai lama · 06-16-2005, 08:28 AM

Epoch. They have a lot of ''plus features''

TheDoc · 06-16-2005, 09:06 AM

We get more sales with CCBill.

Epoch declines are nuts, jumping all over the place.. CCBill is nice and steady. My rebills are stronger with CCBill too.

BillyHoe · 06-16-2005, 09:12 AM

I find Paycom scrubs a bit harder, and I like the admin on CCBill better. Plus I find the telephone support a bit better on CCBill then Paycom. Even though it's a phone jockey answering the phone at least I can talk to someone and have them fix a problem on the phone, instead of having to email support, and "hope" then answer. But maybe that's just me being impatient

Jayde · 06-16-2005, 10:26 AM

I have CCbill and Paycom. I like CCbill better, they have better tech support and nothing is going wrong with their programs. On Paycom, someone has messed up somewhere constantly and they never fix it. I have one month non recurring memberships that have never expired because someone forgot to put in a parameter in (whoops) and they have been working on that all this week and they still can't get it right. It's like "who's on first" scenario. On CCbill, if anything goes wrong, they inform you and at least their tech support is knowledgeable.

Jayde
http://www.hotindianbabe.com

Violetta · 06-16-2005, 12:03 PM

I prefer ccbill!

tranza · 06-16-2005, 12:32 PM

Lol... After seeing the first replies I thought Epoch was the way to go.

So I sent them an e-mail 20 hours ago now. Still no replies.

Now that I saw ALL the replies, and after not getting any kind of e-mail reply from them, I think I'll go with CCBill.

;)

BillyHoe · 06-16-2005, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Lol... After seeing the first replies I thought Epoch was the way to go.

So I sent them an e-mail 20 hours ago now. Still no replies.

Now that I saw ALL the replies, and after not getting any kind of e-mail reply from them, I think I'll go with CCBill.

;)

Smart move imo

FilthyRob · 06-16-2005, 01:31 PM

I would probably go with ccbill just starting out

xlogger · 06-16-2005, 01:33 PM

ccBill
..........

Master_Yoba · 06-16-2005, 01:58 PM

CCBill

The better support team at least (use both of them)

Master_Yoba · 06-16-2005, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

Lol... After seeing the first replies I thought Epoch was the way to go.

So I sent them an e-mail 20 hours ago now. Still no replies.
...

;)

No reply from Epoch is an usual story

Mako · 06-16-2005, 02:05 PM

Damn, CCBill is winning, swaying my choice also as I had been leaning towards Paycom.

I keep referring back to the post last month where someone accurately mentioned that "All Pay per signup programs seem to always use Paycom. All lowball revshare programs seem to always use CCBill. There's something to that."

While everyone cascades, it does seem true that the hotter, bigger, programs I've checked that are doing massive numbers feature Paycom in the primary spot. About 8 out 10.

This might be another GFY special, where small time webmasters who need hand holding are dominating the poll and are being vocal to try and help, while the big dog program managers who know the drill and are seeing the biggest revenue all silently sit on the sideline waiting for another drama thread to pass the time in instead of actually giving us this "big secret" lol

body · 06-16-2005, 02:08 PM

ccbill rocks, I love them

sonofsam · 06-16-2005, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master_Yoba

No reply from Epoch is an usual story

why don't you call their 24 hour tech support line?

anyways, i just set up with paycom, so i'll let you all know how it goes

just waiting to have my site go through visa approval then i'll let you all know as i have some gall listings set up

i'll keep you guys posted

tranza · 06-16-2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

Damn, CCBill is winning, swaying my choice also as I had been leaning towards Paycom.

I keep referring back to the post last month where someone accurately mentioned that "All Pay per signup programs seem to always use Paycom. All lowball revshare programs seem to always use CCBill. There's something to that."

While everyone cascades, it does seem true that the hotter, bigger, programs I've checked that are doing massive numbers feature Paycom in the primary spot. About 8 out 10.

This might be another GFY special, where small time webmasters who need hand holding are dominating the poll and are being vocal to try and help, while the big dog program managers who know the drill and are seeing the biggest revenue all silently sit on the sideline waiting for another drama thread to pass the time in instead of actually giving us this "big secret" lol

That's not entirely true. I see lot's of BIG guys voting for CCBill.

aico · 06-16-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master_Yoba

No reply from Epoch is an usual story

Which story is that? Cuz I hear back from them usually in under 5 minutes, with problem fixed...

Mako · 06-16-2005, 02:29 PM

My favorite is when Paycom customers log into GFY after getting no response from Paycom for over a day, bitch, then have Rand or someone else immediately login and say "GFY is not Paycom customer support, guy" with that exact smart ass tone.

Made me hesitate. While they're right, GFY isn't, they need to understand that sometimes it's all you've got baby. And it gets results, as the Paycom fast response on the board proved.

sonofsam: That would be great, keep us informed.

Nubiles · 06-16-2005, 02:32 PM

CCBill is the correct answer

aico · 06-16-2005, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mako

Made me hesitate. While they're right, GFY isn't, they need to understand that sometimes it's all you've got baby.

Take into consideration that they probably assume you own a telephone, this being 2005 and all.

If all you got it GFY, I feel for ya...

tranza · 06-16-2005, 04:31 PM

If someone from either CCBill or Epoch has ICQ, can you please contact me?

chowda · 06-16-2005, 04:44 PM

i would think ccbill might be easier for other webmasters to just add their aff code and then promote ur stuff without going thru ur own affiliate software

corvette · 06-16-2005, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

If someone from either CCBill or Epoch has ICQ, can you please contact me?

did a bit ago, no response yet, hit me up when you have a chance at 45471840

Rand · 06-16-2005, 05:01 PM

Tranza - You've got me on ICQ now. Glad to know that someone from sales already got back to you.

Mako - There is a time and place for everything. Even going off. Anyone that knows me knows I'll go the distance to help anyone big or small. Some things, however, are just ridiculous. I address things publicly when it's called for. But there are proper channels for everything too. I'm not a smart ass, but I did have a point to make.

There are some things we do better than CCBill and visa-versa. A lot of factors go into what works best for your traffic. I always recommend cascading between the two of us. (Epoch as a primary, of course

)

CCBill is a fine company and each program should do what works best for them.

I've been with Epoch since 1998. And so have a lot of the sponsors out there. This list could stand to be updated but it's a good place to start if you're looking for programs using Epoch.

View Poll Results: CCBill or Epoch?
Epoch	34	33.01%
CCBill	50	48.54%
They are pretty much the same	19	18.45%
Voters: 103. You may not vote on this poll

06-15-2005, 02:28 PM	#1
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Epoch x CCBill If you were starting your first paysite, which processor would you go with?.. And tell me the reason why you'd chose that one (most important!)! __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-15-2005, 02:30 PM	#2
Anna_O Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,773	We chose CCBill for our site. Easy setup, no Visa fee for CCBill EU, easy to get affiliates promoting you since they can merge their excisting account. __________________ Fetish by Anna Paysite - Nylons Bondage Latex Lesbians Glamour Annas Dungeon - 70k / day Fetish TGP ICQ 246797915

06-15-2005, 02:36 PM	#4
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	it would depend on what i wanted to do. epoch is great for cross sales, upsells, and cancellation emails offering better prices to cancelling members. ccbill is good for affiliates - their affiliate program is simpler, has more features and much better stats. both are good processors, and both have paid us for years with no major problems. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

06-15-2005, 02:40 PM	#6
MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	i chose ccbill cuz i don'thave an epoch account. lol __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

06-15-2005, 03:02 PM	#8
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I'm just glad I've made this poll public... This way I can see who's voting for who... __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-15-2005, 03:36 PM	#9
Mayor Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 497	Paycom cause there is no better group to be with!

06-15-2005, 03:47 PM	#12
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	if you are cascading between the 2 which is primary and secondary is better ?

06-15-2005, 03:49 PM	#13
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	And which one do you guys think scrub harder? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-15-2005, 03:57 PM	#14
Dirty-Dough Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 496	Paycom is Epoch is Paycom.. Its like the egg and the chicken.. As basschick have said, both have their pro's and con's... Both are trusted processors. Epoch could have better integration of all admins and options available to site owners. (psst.. And somebody should do some redesigning for their sites... ) CCbill: there are a whole bunch of possible affiliates who refuse to use CCBill because they say their overal ccbill stats suck.. It could cost you business.. Right now, thumbs up for both processors...

06-15-2005, 04:06 PM	#16
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	To say so, I'd have to post proof.

06-15-2005, 04:10 PM	#17
HELMY Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 494	Paycom has been our primary processor since 1997 - CCBill our secondary since 2001. Can't go wrong.

06-15-2005, 04:21 PM	#19
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	honestly I dont know why epoch dont change their admin to a modern one, with click tracking, referrer tracking, etc...everything the affiliate needs these days...Is it that hard? If they did, I would check them immediately.

06-15-2005, 04:41 PM	#22
fraggle Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 932	both are great CCbill has excellent client admin PC i like sales interface preferably both __________________ Marketing - Design - Development - Ecommerce High Quality, Very Experienced & Flexible Team, Great Rates www.ammediainc.com

06-15-2005, 09:43 PM	#24
facialfreak Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 3,018	While we've always used CCBill as our primary processor (since 1998), Epoch/Paycom/eP is a great company as well, with very fast, friendly and efficient customer support __________________ Managed Shared Hosting starting at $4.99/mo Managed VPS starting at $29.99/mo

06-15-2005, 10:18 PM	#25
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	as far as i know, ccbill does allow cross sales, but only revshare. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

06-16-2005, 12:20 AM	#26
digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	I vote for epoch... it is much easier to make sales with them than with ccbill... wonder why. __________________ [email protected] Webair Rocks

06-16-2005, 08:24 AM	#27
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	epoch converts better. __________________ - nothing here -

06-16-2005, 08:28 AM	#28
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	Epoch. They have a lot of ''plus features'' __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

06-16-2005, 09:06 AM	#29
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	We get more sales with CCBill. Epoch declines are nuts, jumping all over the place.. CCBill is nice and steady. My rebills are stronger with CCBill too. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

06-16-2005, 09:12 AM	#30
BillyHoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Vaudreuil/Montreal Posts: 2,214	I find Paycom scrubs a bit harder, and I like the admin on CCBill better. Plus I find the telephone support a bit better on CCBill then Paycom. Even though it's a phone jockey answering the phone at least I can talk to someone and have them fix a problem on the phone, instead of having to email support, and "hope" then answer. But maybe that's just me being impatient __________________ True Amateur Sites!! ICQ:124399549

06-16-2005, 10:26 AM	#31
Jayde Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Posts: 108	I have CCbill and Paycom. I like CCbill better, they have better tech support and nothing is going wrong with their programs. On Paycom, someone has messed up somewhere constantly and they never fix it. I have one month non recurring memberships that have never expired because someone forgot to put in a parameter in (whoops) and they have been working on that all this week and they still can't get it right. It's like "who's on first" scenario. On CCbill, if anything goes wrong, they inform you and at least their tech support is knowledgeable. Jayde http://www.hotindianbabe.com

06-16-2005, 12:03 PM	#32
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	I prefer ccbill! __________________ M&A Queen

06-16-2005, 12:32 PM	#33
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Lol... After seeing the first replies I thought Epoch was the way to go. So I sent them an e-mail 20 hours ago now. Still no replies. Now that I saw ALL the replies, and after not getting any kind of e-mail reply from them, I think I'll go with CCBill. ;) __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-16-2005, 01:31 PM	#35
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	I would probably go with ccbill just starting out __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

06-16-2005, 01:33 PM	#36
xlogger Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NY Posts: 9,507	ccBill .......... __________________ ---------- XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

06-16-2005, 01:58 PM	#37
Master_Yoba Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dagobah Posts: 1,273	CCBill The better support team at least (use both of them) __________________ WATCH MORE PORN

06-16-2005, 02:05 PM	#39
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	Damn, CCBill is winning, swaying my choice also as I had been leaning towards Paycom. I keep referring back to the post last month where someone accurately mentioned that "All Pay per signup programs seem to always use Paycom. All lowball revshare programs seem to always use CCBill. There's something to that." While everyone cascades, it does seem true that the hotter, bigger, programs I've checked that are doing massive numbers feature Paycom in the primary spot. About 8 out 10. This might be another GFY special, where small time webmasters who need hand holding are dominating the poll and are being vocal to try and help, while the big dog program managers who know the drill and are seeing the biggest revenue all silently sit on the sideline waiting for another drama thread to pass the time in instead of actually giving us this "big secret" lol __________________

06-16-2005, 02:08 PM	#40
body Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 5,016	ccbill rocks, I love them __________________ The Goddess Of Steps

06-16-2005, 02:29 PM	#44
Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	My favorite is when Paycom customers log into GFY after getting no response from Paycom for over a day, bitch, then have Rand or someone else immediately login and say "GFY is not Paycom customer support, guy" with that exact smart ass tone. Made me hesitate. While they're right, GFY isn't, they need to understand that sometimes it's all you've got baby. And it gets results, as the Paycom fast response on the board proved. sonofsam: That would be great, keep us informed. __________________

06-16-2005, 02:32 PM	#45
Nubiles Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,496	CCBill is the correct answer __________________ NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions \| nn galleries \| Hosted free sites \| 3 new girls shot each week \| Icq 143674274

06-16-2005, 04:31 PM	#47
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	If someone from either CCBill or Epoch has ICQ, can you please contact me? __________________ I'm just a newbie.

06-16-2005, 04:44 PM	#48
chowda Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gooch city Posts: 9,527	i would think ccbill might be easier for other webmasters to just add their aff code and then promote ur stuff without going thru ur own affiliate software __________________ Someone finds you... 2007 PS: Nationalnet is the best host I've ever had. And i tried alot of them.

06-16-2005, 05:01 PM	#50
Rand Industry Vet Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Santa Monica, CA Posts: 2,663	Tranza - You've got me on ICQ now. Glad to know that someone from sales already got back to you. Mako - There is a time and place for everything. Even going off. Anyone that knows me knows I'll go the distance to help anyone big or small. Some things, however, are just ridiculous. I address things publicly when it's called for. But there are proper channels for everything too. I'm not a smart ass, but I did have a point to make. There are some things we do better than CCBill and visa-versa. A lot of factors go into what works best for your traffic. I always recommend cascading between the two of us. (Epoch as a primary, of course ) CCBill is a fine company and each program should do what works best for them. I've been with Epoch since 1998. And so have a lot of the sponsors out there. This list could stand to be updated but it's a good place to start if you're looking for programs using Epoch. __________________ -- Rand Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance