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Old 06-08-2005, 01:40 AM   #1
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:tongue Bush - Lowest approval ratings in 75 polls

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8118278/#050607

June 7, 2005

The new ABC News/Washington Post poll, here, shows 52 percent of Americans disapprove of the job President Bush is doing overall, reports ABC News' Polling director Gary Langer ? the most in more than 75 ABC/Post polls since his presidency began. His approval rating is 48 percent.

Bush's Iraq approval ratings haven't fared much better: 41 percent said they approve of the job the President is doing in Iraq, while 58 percent disapprove ? matching his career-high Iraq disapproval mark.

George W. Bush?s approval rating is now a full twenty points lower than Bill Clinton?s was on the day he was impeached.
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i think it was Karl Marx who once said that democracy would ultimately consume itself and therefore fail. Bush is probably the best example of a failing democracy. A democracy that was somehow able to re-elect a lunatic.
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i think it was Karl Marx who once said that democracy would ultimately consume itself and therefore fail. Bush is probably the best example of a failing democracy. A democracy that was somehow able to re-elect a lunatic.
Marx was talking about capitalism, not democracy.

IMO what Bush and his cronies are doing to America is almost an exact parallel to what happens in Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here". If you get a chance, pick up this book. It was written in 1935, basically a charismatic politician who pretends to be a man of the people but whom is actually controlled by corporations is elected against the protests of the more educated and rational people in America. It's a disputed election. He talks about "liberating" people, but passed unconstitutional laws taking away the rights of American citizens. He takes control of both congress and the supreme court, rendering them unable to keep his power in check, and turns the US into a fascist dictatorship. Everyone in America who thinks their country is immune to fascism should read this book. It was written in the 30s, and it reads like a biography of the Bush presidency.
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At this point it doesn't matter, they should have thought about him and the direction of the country he was leading towards during the elections
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At this point it doesn't matter, they should have thought about him and the direction of the country he was leading towards during the elections
Thought? What's a thought? Don't we just do what the TV tells us?
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Marx was talking about capitalism, not democracy.

IMO what Bush and his cronies are doing to America is almost an exact parallel to what happens in Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here". If you get a chance, pick up this book. It was written in 1935, basically a charismatic politician who pretends to be a man of the people but whom is actually controlled by corporations is elected against the protests of the more educated and rational people in America. It's a disputed election. He talks about "liberating" people, but passed unconstitutional laws taking away the rights of American citizens. He takes control of both congress and the supreme court, rendering them unable to keep his power in check, and turns the US into a fascist dictatorship. Everyone in America who thinks their country is immune to fascism should read this book. It was written in the 30s, and it reads like a biography of the Bush presidency.
will have to check it out...
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The new ABC News/Washington Post poll, here, shows 52 percent of Americans disapprove of the job President Bush is doing overall, reports ABC News' Polling director Gary Langer ? the most in more than 75 ABC/Post polls since his presidency began. His approval rating is 48 percent.

Bush's Iraq approval ratings haven't fared much better: 41 percent said they approve of the job the President is doing in Iraq, while 58 percent disapprove ? matching his career-high Iraq disapproval mark.

George W. Bush?s approval rating is now a full twenty points lower than Bill Clinton?s was on the day he was impeached.

Shit.. better go back up to orange alert...
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Marx was talking about capitalism, not democracy.

IMO what Bush and his cronies are doing to America is almost an exact parallel to what happens in Sinclair Lewis's "It Can't Happen Here". If you get a chance, pick up this book. It was written in 1935, basically a charismatic politician who pretends to be a man of the people but whom is actually controlled by corporations is elected against the protests of the more educated and rational people in America. It's a disputed election. He talks about "liberating" people, but passed unconstitutional laws taking away the rights of American citizens. He takes control of both congress and the supreme court, rendering them unable to keep his power in check, and turns the US into a fascist dictatorship. Everyone in America who thinks their country is immune to fascism should read this book. It was written in the 30s, and it reads like a biography of the Bush presidency.
I read the book some years ago and it does not read "like a biography of the Bush presidency"...in addition the book is satire...and has about as much relevance as Michael Moore's mockumentaires...eh Richy boy.
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Wow! Nice! Only 38 months to go.. Then he's gone.
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He doesn't give a shit. This is not a system where you can call for a no confidence vote. He has 3 years and 6 months left and he does not get to run again. His ratings can hit 0% and he will still be the Prez.
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" I read the book some years ago and it does not read "like a biography of the Bush presidency"...in addition the book is satire...and has about as much relevance as Michael Moore's mockumentaires...eh Richy boy."


Interesting lie, this book was only re-released last year. Plus it's not too hard, if anyone has read a couple of your posts, to figure out that you've never read a real book in your life. Oh, and the book is not a satire.

As you can see by the examples I clearly pointed out and you didn't have the capacity to debate, it does mirror the Bush presidency. Nice try though, I realize you feel it's your obligation to disagree with me after every post. Keep up the good work you crazy drunk fuck.
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I read the book some years ago and it does not read "like a biography of the Bush presidency"...in addition the book is satire...and has about as much relevance as Michael Moore's mockumentaires...eh Richy boy.
Sinclair Lewis won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1930 and you're comparing him to Michael Moore?
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at what % can we impeach him?
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He doesn't give a shit. This is not a system where you can call for a no confidence vote. He has 3 years and 6 months left and he does not get to run again. His ratings can hit 0% and he will still be the Prez.
There is a serious problem with that...
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This is Pathfinder, it does not shock me.
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found this site (not sure how real it is though)
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found this site (not sure how real it is though)
http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

One would think that the Downing street memo would be more than enough to impeach. Being caught lying about going to war should be the number one offense a leader can commit. What's worse than that? Lying to trick people into sending their kids to die, he should be facing prison, not just impeachment. Is getting a blow job worse than that? What a fucked up country.
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One would think that the Downing street memo would be more than enough to impeach. Being caught lying about going to war should be the number one offense a leader can commit. What's worse than that? Lying to trick people into sending their kids to die, he should be facing prison, not just impeachment. Is getting a blow job worse than that? What a fucked up country.
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One would think that the Downing street memo would be more than enough to impeach. Being caught lying about going to war should be the number one offense a leader can commit. What's worse than that? Lying to trick people into sending their kids to die, he should be facing prison, not just impeachment. Is getting a blow job worse than that? What a fucked up country.
totally agree with you.

ya know, im a little surprised that nothing has been made public about wanting to impeach him & all the people that dont want him as president anymore. you would think there would be rallys in every city on a weekly basis considering the bullshit he's pulled in the past 4 1/2 yrs.

I'll have to do a search locally and see if theres any campaigns or something that I can do to get involved. Its one thing to have a dipshit president but its another thing to let myself sit back waiting for other people to speak up. i think its time to do something about him.
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Too little too late.

Americans should have realized what this guy was about when the rest of the world did.
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Too little too late.

Americans should have realized what this guy was about when the rest of the world did.
48% of us were smart, and we did realize it. The other 52% were a bunch of idiots with their heads up their asses.
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its really weird to see such a high percentage still approves his idiotic world wrecking acts
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Polls mean nothing.

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone June 2-5, 2005, among a random national sample of 1,002 adults. The results have a three-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/983a1TermII.pdf
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You guys must really hate America to slam Bush like that. From what I hear, things are going great . Iraq is now a great democracy and the US economy is booming. The world has never been so safe. I wish we(Canada) could have elected such a genius.
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Exactly. His true approval rating is closer to 20%
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This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone June 2-5, 2005, among a random national sample of 1,002 adults. The results have a three-point error margin. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.
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judging how bush became president voting means nothing to him
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" I read the book some years ago and it does not read "like a biography of the Bush presidency"...in addition the book is satire...and has about as much relevance as Michael Moore's mockumentaires...eh Richy boy."


Interesting lie, this book was only re-released last year. Plus it's not too hard, if anyone has read a couple of your posts, to figure out that you've never read a real book in your life. Oh, and the book is not a satire.

As you can see by the examples I clearly pointed out and you didn't have the capacity to debate, it does mirror the Bush presidency. Nice try though, I realize you feel it's your obligation to disagree with me after every post. Keep up the good work you crazy drunk fuck.
Just more lies and misinformation provided by...Richy boy.

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by Sinclair Lewis (Mass Market Paperback - December 1, 1993)
Which is currently being sold at Amazon.com.

And the book is also a fictional "satirical novel"...thus more lies and misinformation provided by...Richy boy.

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No...I compared the "relevancy" of a fictional satirical novel to the "relevancy" of the fictional satirical mockumentaries of Michael Moore.
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Just more lies and misinformation provided by...Richy boy.

Which is currently being sold at Amazon.com.

And the book is also a fictional "satirical novel"...thus more lies and misinformation provided by...Richy boy.
your great leader is also very good in lying, remember those air photos he showed with trucks with nuclear weapons in em? and used that fairy tale to invade iraq and start a war?

how can you be so ignorant and not see that bush is america's biggest fuckup, how? I really dont understand.
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how can you be so ignorant and not see that bush is america's biggest fuckup, how? I really dont understand.
Simple:

TheKing is more fucked up than Bush ...

Bush lives in the White House, TheKing in a trailer park with his drunk brother.
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No...I compared the "relevancy" of a fictional satirical novel to the "relevancy" of the fictional satirical mockumentaries of Michael Moore.

Animal Farm and to a lesser extent 1984 were also satire.
Sometimes the best way to get a political point across is through fictional satire.. especially when the case in point hasn't happened yet and therefore HAS to be fictional. A point is a point is a point. The delivery mechanism is irrevelant to it's validity.
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your great leader is also very good in lying, remember those air photos he showed with trucks with nuclear weapons in em? and used that fairy tale to invade iraq and start a war?

how can you be so ignorant and not see that bush is america's biggest fuckup, how? I really dont understand.
I am not now and have never been a Republican. I did not vote for President Bush in either of his elections. I am not now and have never been a fan of President Bush. I do not like Mr. Bush holding the office of the Presidency. I am a fan of defending the mis-information and lies that are told about the President...the Administration and my beloved country...as the "truth" is usually bad enough.
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Animal Farm and to a lesser extent 1984 were also satire.
Sometimes the best way to get a political point across is through fictional satire.. especially when the case in point hasn't happened yet and therefore HAS to be fictional. A point is a point is a point. The delivery mechanism is irrevelant to it's validity.
I enjoy good satire...and I sometimes enjoy good fiction...though I have never been a big reader of fiction...but I accept both for what they are...satire and fiction.
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Old 06-08-2005, 04:57 PM   #43
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No...I compared the "relevancy" of a fictional satirical novel to the "relevancy" of the fictional satirical mockumentaries of Michael Moore.
I don't know what you mean when you refer to "relevancy". Do you state it like that to illustrate that both works are from the delusional ramblings of madmen and thus no one should attempt to take anything from the works? Are you trying to associate Sinclair with Moore? I'm not going to talk about the obvious propaganda of Michael Moore since it's cloaked in what is laughingly called a documentary.

I haven't read Sinclair's book but am familiar with other forms of fiction that were used for political decent while preventing the author from suffering political persecution (nursery rhymes, poetry, science fiction - my personal favorite is Paradise Lost by John Milton).

The point of some of the greatest works of fiction is to teach us (and help us teach our children) of various forms of corruption and tyrrany.
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your great leader is also very good in lying, remember those air photos he showed with trucks with nuclear weapons in em? and used that fairy tale to invade iraq and start a war?
While it is true that WMDs/WMD materials was the primary reason (but not the only reason) presented to the public to "beat the drums of war"...in my opinion it was most certainly not the real reason.

The Admin used WMD's/WMD materials to "beat the drums of war" because they fully expected to find WMD's/WMD materials...as it was the consensus of all fifteen of our intel agencies that they would be there...and the intel agencies of Britain...Israel...France...Germany...Russia...Egy pt...Saudi Arabia...and others all concurred with US intel agencies.

What you call lies was based upon the failed intel of not only our own intel agencies but also the failed intel of major intel agencies around the world.
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I don't know what you mean when you refer to "relevancy". Do you state it like that to illustrate that both works are from the delusional ramblings of madmen and thus no one should attempt to take anything from the works? Are you trying to associate Sinclair with Moore? I'm not going to talk about the obvious propaganda of Michael Moore since it's cloaked in what is laughingly called a documentary.

I haven't read Sinclair's book but am familiar with other forms of fiction that were used for political decent while preventing the author from suffering political persecution (nursery rhymes, poetry, science fiction - my personal favorite is Paradise Lost by John Milton).

The point of some of the greatest works of fiction is to teach us (and help us teach our children) of various forms of corruption and tyrrany.
Niether are madman...and if you find something of value to you in the reading of fictional satirical novels...and/or ficitional satirical "documentaries" that is your personal choice.

As previously stated...while I do enjoy good satire and sometimes enoy fiction (though I have never read much fiction) I recognize them for what they are.
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amazing how none of the bush voters listened before the election, and many still refuse to admit their mistake. come on, this is getting silly. this transcends partisan politics, this guy is just bad for our country.
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amazing how none of the bush voters listened before the election, and many still refuse to admit their mistake. come on, this is getting silly. this transcends partisan politics, this guy is just bad for our country.
Approximately half of the public...think that you are mistaken...not them. History will be the determining factor.
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While it is true that WMDs/WMD materials was the primary reason (but not the only reason) presented to the public to "beat the drums of war"...in my opinion it was most certainly not the real reason.

The Admin used WMD's/WMD materials to "beat the drums of war" because they fully expected to find WMD's/WMD materials...as it was the consensus of all fifteen of our intel agencies that they would be there...and the intel agencies of Britain...Israel...France...Germany...Russia...Egy pt...Saudi Arabia...and others all concurred with US intel agencies.

What you call lies was based upon the failed intel of not only our own intel agencies but also the failed intel of major intel agencies around the world.
It was clear that bush and his boys were searching for arguments to start a war, they were the action and not a reaction. It has to be the opposite.

Its like a cop busting in your door without a reason and turning the house upside down in the hope he finds a butter knife, calls it an "assault weapon" and put u in jail. His goal is to put u in jail, no matter what.

Bush and his boys' goal was to invade iraq, clearly for economic purposes, and they desperately grasped any vague detail they could find to blow it out of proportion and use it as arguments for their plan. That way you will find a reason to invade any country in the world.
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It was clear that bush and his boys were searching for arguments to start a war, they were the action and not a reaction. It has to be the opposite.

Its like a cop busting in your door without a reason and turning the house upside down in the hope he finds a butter knife, calls it an "assault weapon" and put u in jail. His goal is to put u in jail, no matter what.

Bush and his boys' goal was to invade iraq, clearly for economic purposes, and they desperately grasped any vague detail they could find to blow it out of proportion and use it as arguments for their plan. That way you will find a reason to invade any country in the world.
It was actually the US Congress...during President Clinton's time in office...that took it upon themselves to vote on and pass a resolution advocating the overthrow of Saddam and the Baath party. President Clinton failed to act upon this resolution and President Bush chose to act. I have personally been an advocate for the overthrow of Saddam and the Baath party since '91...when they first began to violate the cease fire agreements that they signed on for...and have been an advocate every year there after...for multiple accumlative reasons.

There were multiple good...valid reasons...for removing Saddam and the Baath party since '91 and 9/11 presented additional...good...valid reasons.
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