Very Disappointed With Apple. They're moving to Intel Processors - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 06-06-2005, 12:28 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS...pple.intel.ap/

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Apple Computer is confirming that it is shifting to chips made by Intel for its Macintosh lines.

The announcement to drop chips made by I-B-M and Freescale Semiconductor comes from Apple's developer conference in San Francisco. The company says that all of its new Macs will be using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007.

The decision means that Apple will be relying on the same kinds of chips used in systems that run Microsoft Windows. Analysts say the move risks alienating Apple's historically loyal users. Software now built for Macs will have to be rewritten and then may not work on older Apple machines.

By winning the business, Intel tightens its dominance of the PC processor business, where it now has an 80 percent market share.

If it's true that all Mac software will be re-written, what fucking point is there using a Mac?

BukkakeBrown · 06-06-2005, 12:29 PM

apple will always suck

mrthumbs · 06-06-2005, 12:31 PM

its not really about the processor tho:

OSX is basicly unix and could run on any processor.

Just like windows that could run on a mac;s powerpc processor.

Digipimp · 06-06-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS...pple.intel.ap/

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Apple Computer is confirming that it is shifting to chips made by Intel for its Macintosh lines.

The announcement to drop chips made by I-B-M and Freescale Semiconductor comes from Apple's developer conference in San Francisco. The company says that all of its new Macs will be using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007.

The decision means that Apple will be relying on the same kinds of chips used in systems that run Microsoft Windows. Analysts say the move risks alienating Apple's historically loyal users. Software now built for Macs will have to be rewritten and then may not work on older Apple machines.

By winning the business, Intel tightens its dominance of the PC processor business, where it now has an 80 percent market share.

If it's true that all Mac software will be re-written, what fucking point is there using a Mac?

if you were using a mac because of the processor then you're already to dumb to know why this isn't bad

chadglni · 06-06-2005, 12:31 PM

What are the Apple notebooks up to now, something like 600mhz?

Donny · 06-06-2005, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

if you were using a mac because of the processor then you're already to dumb to know why this isn't bad

If you don't know why having to buy all new software and having new software work on my current Macs is a BAD thing, you need to sit and ponder awhile.

nalysts say the move risks alienating Apple's historically loyal users. Software now built for Macs will have to be rewritten and then may not work on older Apple machines.

Donny · 06-06-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

What are the Apple notebooks up to now, something like 600mhz?

Apple notebooks running at a lower mhz than PCs are actually faster. You're comment isn't worth digging up the proof. Search it out yourself.

fireorange · 06-06-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

What are the Apple notebooks up to now, something like 600mhz?

What an idiot

cambaby · 06-06-2005, 12:37 PM

Apple makes better 'looking computers' I might even consider buying one now.

Brujah · 06-06-2005, 12:38 PM

Apple going to Intel while Intel is putting DRM into their chips now. Can't escape the DRM.

Digipimp · 06-06-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

If you don't know why having to buy all new software and having new software work on my current Macs is a BAD thing, you need to sit and ponder awhile.

nalysts say the move risks alienating Apple's historically loyal users. Software now built for Macs will have to be rewritten and then may not work on older Apple machines.

actually the compiler is going to enable you to write your software for powerpc and x86 simultaneously so it's not really going to matter. the only way it will matter is for those companies that don't bother to try and compile a x86 version of their software and maybe you won't be able to get it. but even that is going to 1 year away before we start seeing the 1st macs with intel processors and 2 years before all of them are. most software and important programs are updated more than once every few years. so it's not a big deal at all, except in that it might open some more doors for the hardware and developing of the software which could be good. it will allow apple to concentrate on the presenting of it's software as superior to that of MS because the processor speed and hardware issue won't exist anymore.

thanks for your time

fireorange · 06-06-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Apple notebooks running at a lower mhz than PCs are actually faster. You're comment isn't worth digging up the proof. Search it out yourself.

Don't bother, he's an idiot. I bet he thinks these 800Mhz machines are faster than his home dual 3Ghz Xeon:
http://www.sgi.com/products/workstations/

tony286 · 06-06-2005, 12:39 PM

Does this mean that maybe Apple will wake up and sell their os for win boxes. I would switch oses in a minute

chadglni · 06-06-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Apple notebooks running at a lower mhz than PCs are actually faster. You're comment isn't worth digging up the proof. Search it out yourself.

It's a joke Mr. serious. I'm sure if you band together with your other Apple fanatics you can convert the world over. Personally, I hate the retarded things and everything they represent.

psili · 06-06-2005, 12:45 PM

Hollywood Order: Apple Weds Intel

-- It could be because of the DRM hardcoded into the new Intel processors.

?

Donny · 06-06-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Does this mean that maybe Apple will wake up and sell their os for win boxes. I would switch oses in a minute

I've seen stories rumoring just that.

Digipimp · 06-06-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Does this mean that maybe Apple will wake up and sell their os for win boxes. I would switch oses in a minute

probably not, or at least not for 5 years from now. otherwise they wouldn't be able to really leverage selling their own hardware since a lot of the benefit is the OS and software that comes with the machine. for them to ever do that they'll have to make major changes such as no longer making machines, but it's quite possible that you'll see versions of the mac os in other things that aren't desktop computers such as digital convergence devices in the near future.

Brad Gosse · 06-06-2005, 12:54 PM

I am a loyal mac user and I welcome the change. The system will be the same just faster

Donny · 06-06-2005, 06:05 PM

Looks like Apple's been planning this for quite awhile:

http://www.kottke.org/05/06/apple-switch-intel

For the last 5 years, every copy of OS X has been compiled on both PowerPC and Intel platforms.

Donny · 06-06-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Does this mean that maybe Apple will wake up and sell their os for win boxes. I would switch oses in a minute

http://www.kottke.org/05/06/apple-switch-intel

I guess that won't be the case.

Apple is not going into the software business, their operating system will not run on other vendor's hardware. So you won't be running the Mac OS on Dell, HP or IBM, for example. and 2. While Windows is not explicitly supported, they won't do anything to prevent Windows from running on their hardware.

notjoe · 06-06-2005, 06:19 PM

RISC processors are better....what a loss

bhutocracy · 06-06-2005, 06:20 PM

Ugh.. mac people are far too emotional. Like having your chips made by Intel is any fucking different than FUCKING IBM lol.
The software issue is the only problem here and it's not a big deal as there are several years to migrate.

wallst · 06-06-2005, 06:31 PM

too bad they didn't invite AMD for that spot. ive allways liked AMD chips best.

truth be told, i wish i owned a mac. any serious webmaster or designer wouldn't diss on apple.

abadfish · 06-06-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

If you don't know why having to buy all new software and having new software work on my current Macs is a BAD thing, you need to sit and ponder awhile.

nalysts say the move risks alienating Apple's historically loyal users. Software now built for Macs will have to be rewritten and then may not work on older Apple machines.

You really don't know much....

http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1112
"Gray said his team ported Mathematica 5 to Intel-based Macs in 2 hours. "We?re talking about twenty lines of source code out of millions," he said."

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

Apple notebooks running at a lower mhz than PCs are actually faster. You're comment isn't worth digging up the proof. Search it out yourself.

That's exactly why this is a good thing... there is a huge misunderstanding on the difference between PC/Mac clock speeds... if they are both running on the same processors and have comparable speeds then the argument is gone.

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

If it's true that all Mac software will be re-written, what fucking point is there using a Mac?

Do you use a MAC because of the processor??? That's insane. I use Apple's because of the software and the user interface... what happens inside doesn't really concern me as long as it works.

GatorB · 06-06-2005, 06:37 PM

Apple had their chance to be the dominant player in computers 20 years ago and blew it. And eventually Ipod will share the same face as Mac because of Steve's Jobs stupid insistence on proprietary crap. What's that saying? "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

bhutocracy · 06-06-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wallst

too bad they didn't invite AMD for that spot. ive allways liked AMD chips best.

truth be told, i wish i owned a mac. any serious webmaster or designer wouldn't diss on apple.

It's like religion.. Macs aren't that bad.. it's just some of the people I can't stand

we're a mac free environment here.. but they're not that bad so long as you get a serious one and not those imac pieces of shit.
I almost wouldn't mind a G5 laptop for Protools and Mbox stuff.. but theres still no point when i can just get a nice Vaio or whatever and integrate it into the network better.

Donny · 06-06-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by abadfish

Do you use a MAC because of the processor??? That's insane. I use Apple's because of the software and the user interface... what happens inside doesn't really concern me as long as it works.

You miss my point. According to many sources, all new software will no longer work on my existing Macs. I've spent more than $10,000 in the last 9 months on Mac computers. If those reports are true, I'll have to replace them all to run new software.

I sure as hell hope Steve Jobs has a solution for this.

Vitasoy · 06-06-2005, 07:13 PM

Smart move by apple.. Intel rocks :D

gecko · 06-06-2005, 07:16 PM

People who buy apple, buy it for the looks

Probono · 06-06-2005, 07:24 PM

I love the Apple bashers, they never used OS X which is Free BSD with a nice GUI; much better OS than Windows.

The move to Intel must be part of some marketing plan, but so long as they keep refining OSX they could run on chipmunk processors and I would keep buying Macintosh Computers. Tiger is one hell of a good OS.

When Windows upgrades you need to buy a new computer to run the bloat, when Apple upgrades the OS runs faster than the OS they replaced on the same hardware.

GatorB · 06-06-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Probono

I love the Apple bashers, they never used OS X which is Free BSD with a nice GUI; much better OS than Windows.

The move to Intel must be part of some marketing plan, but so long as they keep refining OSX they could run on chipmunk processors and I would keep buying Macintosh Computers. Tiger is one hell of a good OS.

When Windows upgrades you need to buy a new computer to run the bloat, when Apple upgrades the OS runs faster than the OS they replaced on the same hardware.

If Macs were so great they'd sell themselves. As I said Apple had their chance and blew it. Don't expect me to feel sorry for them. Go into a store what is software made for WINDOWS. why? because only 2% of people that own a computer own an Apple. And it's been that way for YEARS. Now WHY hasn't that # grown AT ALL? Apple could have made their OS the donimant OS, but Steve Jobs had( and still has ) too big of an ego an couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Probono · 06-06-2005, 07:39 PM

I do not sell Apple I use Macintosh computers and they are worth everything they cost, which is more than Windows machines.

I made your argument hundreds of times when I sold computers to School Districts, I was right then; I would be wrong now. The extra cost of a Mac is offset by the reduced cost of labor and security software.

If you use applications that run on a Mac it is a better platform but it is not for everyone. However there is a reason many Macintosh users are fanatics, they have a good thing and they like it.

reynold · 06-06-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Apple going to Intel while Intel is putting DRM into their chips now. Can't escape the DRM.

Probably, the worst scenario...

Pornwolf · 06-06-2005, 07:52 PM

Apple = Scientology. There's no difference.

tyler86ed · 06-06-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wallst

truth be told, i wish i owned a mac. any serious webmaster or designer wouldn't diss on apple.

Well said. I have 3 apples, and like many of you, used to be an apple hater. My guess is that everyone who disses them has never used one.

NTSS · 06-06-2005, 08:08 PM

Never owned or used an apple. Had about ten different computers

Digipimp · 06-06-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DonovanPhillips

You miss my point. According to many sources, all new software will no longer work on my existing Macs. I've spent more than $10,000 in the last 9 months on Mac computers. If those reports are true, I'll have to replace them all to run new software.

I sure as hell hope Steve Jobs has a solution for this.

wrong again dono. the software will only not work on macs if they don't compile it to work on macs, but i do believe the new xcode released today compiles for both. and this is a transition not an instant hey you're fucked. software will be compiled for both for the next 2 years at minium and likely 3 to 4 years as they transition. so i guess if you don't ever get the upgrades on the new versions of software or anything then maybe 3 or 4 years from now your macs might not run the very latest version of some program.

Pornwolf · 06-06-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler86ed

Well said. I have 3 apples, and like many of you, used to be an apple hater. My guess is that everyone who disses them has never used one.

I have 3 computers on my desk. 1 is an Apple. If it weren't for for Pro Tools and Final Cut it would be useless.

khs · 06-06-2005, 08:57 PM

cross platform coming soon

bhutocracy · 06-06-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler86ed

Well said. I have 3 apples, and like many of you, used to be an apple hater. My guess is that everyone who disses them has never used one.

I've used apples for 20 years and lectured classes using them. The only reason to use them these days is industry entrenched compatability ie desktop publishing and even that isn't critical anymore like it was even 5-10 years ago, familiarity with the platform or specfic programs that kick ass like final cut pro. Security is also a good one because no one gives a fuck about spending that much time to target 2% of computers when they can fuck up 98% and all the script kiddies are using pcs.

Personally I'd prefer to experience the net as my customers do. Especially when our network uses DRM etc. I don't even use Firefox.

V_RocKs · 06-06-2005, 09:44 PM

Mac, one mouse button...
PC, two mouse buttons...

PC 2, Mac 1... PC wins...

bhutocracy · 06-06-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Mac, one mouse button...
PC, two mouse buttons...

PC 2, Mac 1... PC wins...

Plenty of mac users i know use microsoft intellimice because apple has been semi retarded in that side of things.. wooooo a mouse WHERE THE WHOLE MOUSE IS A BUTTON!! AND IT'S CLEAR!!!! lol 'tards. Talk about pissing on your consumers.

Also having to set up shortcuts instead of simply using the alt button pissed me off as a useability "feature"...

Pleasurepays · 06-06-2005, 09:58 PM

think different !!!

Pornwolf · 06-06-2005, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Mac, one mouse button...
PC, two mouse buttons...

PC 2, Mac 1... PC wins...

This is one point I used to argue until I hooked up my 2 button corless mouse to my mac. The right click action works even better on the Apple. Why the dumb asses in Steve Jobsland don't just conform and add a right button to the mouse I'll never know.

tenderobject · 06-06-2005, 10:15 PM

damn this isnt a good news for mac fanatics.
ive been using mac for almost 1 month now. thought that my switch is for good. oh well, even if that happens i would still use mac.

i damn LOVE it. cheers!

06-06-2005, 12:28 PM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Very Disappointed With Apple. They're moving to Intel Processors http://edition.cnn.com/2005/BUSINESS...pple.intel.ap/ SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Apple Computer is confirming that it is shifting to chips made by Intel for its Macintosh lines. The announcement to drop chips made by I-B-M and Freescale Semiconductor comes from Apple's developer conference in San Francisco. The company says that all of its new Macs will be using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007. The decision means that Apple will be relying on the same kinds of chips used in systems that run Microsoft Windows. Analysts say the move risks alienating Apple's historically loyal users. Software now built for Macs will have to be rewritten and then may not work on older Apple machines. By winning the business, Intel tightens its dominance of the PC processor business, where it now has an 80 percent market share. If it's true that all Mac software will be re-written, what fucking point is there using a Mac?

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Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Looks like Apple's been planning this for quite awhile: http://www.kottke.org/05/06/apple-switch-intel *For the last 5 years, every copy of OS X has been compiled on both PowerPC and Intel platforms.*

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Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	I do not sell Apple I use Macintosh computers and they are worth everything they cost, which is more than Windows machines. I made your argument hundreds of times when I sold computers to School Districts, I was right then; I would be wrong now. The extra cost of a Mac is offset by the reduced cost of labor and security software. If you use applications that run on a Mac it is a better platform but it is not for everyone. However there is a reason many Macintosh users are fanatics, they have a good thing and they like it.

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