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|  06-06-2005, 12:34 AM | #1 | 
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				Google to be shut down
			 I guess the feds should be raiding Google's offices, confiscating their servers and shutting them down within the next couple of weeks for 2257 violations. http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...porn&&start=20 | 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:35 AM | #2 | 
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				 | Lolol L$ 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:35 AM | #3 | 
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				 | hahahahhahahaha hmm | 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:42 AM | #4 | 
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				 | dont think so some how! tony | 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:43 AM | #5 | 
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				 | funny i clicked one of the pics and found this http://www.virgins-party.com/index2.html check out the title 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:48 AM | #6 | 
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				 | you wish | 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:50 AM | #7 | 
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				 | this is the first time we've ever had this thread. no, really, it is. 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:50 AM | #8 | 
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				 | does that mean the prices of my google stock will be going down? 
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|  06-06-2005, 12:51 AM | #9 | 
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				 | It is already known that Google is exempt from 2257, money talks and so on. | 
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|  06-06-2005, 01:20 AM | #10 | 
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				 | if google gets shut down, U.S. would loose billions and billions of dollars in tax revenue, will never happen | 
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|  06-06-2005, 01:26 AM | #11 | 
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				 | I am glad they are leaving them up.  It will make one hell of a defense argument when the attorney gets the pc hooked up to the overhead in the court room and types in kiddy porn in googles image locator and all the cp comes up. and points out to the jury if the govt is ok with this how can they be busting my balls for paperwork on a 23 year old! funny 2257 is suppose to be for cp but yet they exempt google from it which is one of the few sites in the us that has cp on it. 2257 defense attorneys will love this. 
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|  06-06-2005, 01:26 AM | #12 | 
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				 | Google  will be Shutting Down? Not even in GFYer's wildest dream!LOL! | 
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|  06-06-2005, 01:42 AM | #13 | 
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				 | i dont htink so | 
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|  06-06-2005, 01:47 AM | #14 | |
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|  06-06-2005, 01:50 AM | #15 | |
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|  06-06-2005, 02:08 AM | #16 | 
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				 | Search engines, hosting companies, and similar services are exempt. How many times does this have to be posted? Did anyone read the regulations? | 
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|  06-06-2005, 02:09 AM | #17 | 
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|  06-06-2005, 02:15 AM | #19 | 
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				 | yeah like that will ever happen    
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|  06-06-2005, 03:05 AM | #20 | |
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|  06-06-2005, 03:12 AM | #21 | |
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|  06-06-2005, 03:23 AM | #22 | |
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 The annual Forrester Research and Shop.org study of 136 retailers found that online sales rose 23.8 percent to $141.4 billion in 2004. Excluding sales of travel services, online sales were also up 23.8 percent, to $89 billion, representing 4.6 percent of total U.S. retail sales. Profitability improved last year, with online retailers reporting operating margins of 28 percent, up from 21 percent in 2003, according to the survey. The survey found that more women are shopping on the Internet, so categories with products they purchase will probably see the biggest sales growth this year. "Though initially adopted by men as a shopping tool, women are flocking to the Internet in droves to comparison shop, research and buy," said Scott Silverman, executive director of Shop.org, the online retailing arm of the National Retail Federation trade group. Looking ahead at online sales performance for various categories this year, the survey respondents on average said they expect increases of 33 percent for cosmetics and perfume, 32 percent for over-the-counter medications and personal care, and 31 percent for jewelry and luxury goods. Source: Reuters Google being the number one search engine, the numbers are in billions | |
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|  06-11-2005, 01:39 PM | #23 | 
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				 | U.S. government makes a lot of tax dollars, so do many vested interests  from google, it would be unlikely. | 
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|  06-11-2005, 01:43 PM | #24 | 
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|  06-11-2005, 02:51 PM | #25 | 
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				 | Quick guys, short Googles stock! | 
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|  06-11-2005, 02:54 PM | #26 | 
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				 | Some companies will never see an inspection 
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|  06-11-2005, 02:59 PM | #27 | 
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				 | hehe.. nice try! 
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|  06-11-2005, 03:06 PM | #28 | 
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				 | not even Bill Gates can pull the plug at Google.com  | 
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|  06-11-2005, 03:08 PM | #29 | |
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 (4) Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following: (i) Photo or film processing, including digitization of previously existing visual depictions, as part of a commercial enterprise, with no other commercial interest in the sexually explicit material, printing, and video duplicators; (ii) Mere distribution; (iii) Any activity, other than those activities identified in paragraphs (c) (1) and (2) of this section, that does not involve the hiring, contracting for, managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the depicted performers; (iv) A provider of web-hosting services who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service; or (v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service. Read "v". | |
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|  06-11-2005, 03:15 PM | #30 | |
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|  06-11-2005, 03:22 PM | #31 | |
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 They do not manually moderate their content. Large forum sites like GFY have an exclusion under "v" because they do not moderate the content before it is posted. The content, like with hosts, is created by third parties. As with hosting companies, as long as large services like that respond to complaints, they should be exempt under the new regulations. | |
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|  06-11-2005, 03:26 PM | #32 | |
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|  06-11-2005, 03:30 PM | #33 | |
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|  06-11-2005, 03:40 PM | #35 | |
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 Let's take you argument further - why shouldn't AOL be responsible for everything posted by every one of their users? Because it is not reasonable. It may be reasonable to think that a TGP, who manually reviews every submission before it is approved, can be held somewhat responsible for the content that is posted. It is not reasonable to think that GFY, where every post is submitted without moderation, by different users, at a high rate, should be held to the same standard as a fully moderated service. The government has made an exclusion in allowing for sites and services that cannot "reasonably" manage all of the content being posted. If you want to test the regulations by saying that you can't reasonably manage your moderated TGP submissions, you can do that. But you will have to be able to defend that position in court. | |
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|  06-11-2005, 03:46 PM | #36 | 
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				 | Using this logic with Google, someone could put up a CP forum and let users post pics.  They can't reasonably be expected to stop it, they aren't putting it up. | 
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|  06-11-2005, 03:46 PM | #37 | 
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				 | When you see google images go down it is time to get out of the biz. 
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|  06-11-2005, 03:56 PM | #39 | |
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 AOL cannot be held responsible for hosting a CP forum if they respond to complaints and remove the illegal content when they become aware of it. If you set up a forum with the main intent of allowing people to break the law, then of course you could be held responsible for it. Look what happened to Napster. Google does not do what they do with the intent of linking to or hosting illegal images. It happens sometimes, but it is not the intent. If Lensman setup this forum for adult webmasters to do legal business, and some webmaster, without his knowledge, posted a photo without 2257, that would be seen differently than if someone set up a forum to post illegal CP content. This exemption from liability is not new in any way, they are just applying it to 2257 in the same way it's been applied to other content in the past. Some of you are acting like this is a new idea. | |
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|  06-11-2005, 04:12 PM | #40 | |
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 These are all questions that a jury will have to decide. One important key word will be "reasonable". If you manually approve your TGP submissions, how are you going to convince a jury that you couldn't comply with 2257 laws because you didn't have control over the content that you manually approved? Lensman can show a jury that his forum has millions of posts and tens of thousands of users, who are posting all of the time. That makes it a lot harder, if not impossible to "reasonably" manage all of the content. This is the same type of rule that the government has been applying to hosts and ISPs for a long time. It makes sense to exclude certain types of sites from the regulations. | |
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|  06-11-2005, 04:18 PM | #41 | |
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 that wasn't my scenario. i said 'what if your TGP script was set to auto approve any thumbnail submitted. how is that different than any of those countless 'image dump' sites on the net? and as far as 'reasonable' goes, is it reasonable if a TGP is a one person show who also works full time and cannot find the time to moderate the site every day? if you say "well that person then should not run a tgp" I say "well AOL or forum owners should hire more moderators or not run their service". again, this is moot point, since any small time operator that gets pinched isn't going to be able to afford the big time lawyers to fight this in a jury trial. they will plea. | |
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|  06-11-2005, 04:19 PM | #42 | 
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				 | So a small webmaster that hardly makes anything out of his messageboards should monitor his board 24/7 and huge wemaster that makes hundreds of thousands of his board should do nothing at all (while he could just hire 5 paid moderators that can control this board perfectly)? Yeah could be very well be....same way as hundreds of other regulations. | 
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|  06-11-2005, 04:23 PM | #43 | 
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				 | Conclusion.. get so much content you can't possibly verify it all just like google images.. 
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|  06-11-2005, 04:25 PM | #44 | 
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				 | I wonder where they fall in the  2257 regs | 
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|  06-11-2005, 04:29 PM | #45 | 
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				 | Stop defending Google. They and every other site that shows content fitting the 2257 criteria should be held to the same standards as the rest of us, PERIOD. And some of you sound like you are advocating 2257 the way you bash and berate and cock off at others for their lack of knowledge about it. Who gives a fuck if you know everything there is to know about 2257? I sure as hell don't. Fact is this is a major headache for webmasters, and the thing I support (and applaud) is anyone who is actively looking for ways to shoot holes in this new regulation. If someone says Google shouldn't be exempt then maybe instead of telling the guy how WRONG he is and what an idiot he is, maybe you should be looking for ways of how he is RIGHT. It almost seems like a few of you fuckheads work for the government. :D 
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|  06-11-2005, 04:49 PM | #46 | |
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 Services like Google and AOL have generally not been held liable if they host CP or copyrighted material, why should they be liable if they host non-2257 content? As I said before, this is nothing new. | |
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|  06-11-2005, 05:24 PM | #47 | 
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				 | i highly doubt it | 
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|  06-11-2005, 05:35 PM | #48 | 
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				 | All that is disgusting! Google management need to be included in conspirancy charges and their operations closed down tomorrow. They are simply aiding and abetting porn sites by granting them PR ratings, tho we know there is no money in this. Seriously.. wait for the day some hypocritical freak - in an act of righteousness and cloaked in religeon, - actually tries that concept :-) 
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|  06-11-2005, 06:33 PM | #49 | 
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				 | Bump for WOJ | 
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|  06-11-2005, 06:41 PM | #50 | |
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 In most old cases the focus is on search engine listing that by themselves dont constitute cp. But this is a whole new area.. google images , actually copies the images.. If google knowingly let cp images on google images they would be held liable i'm sure of it , just as a forum owner or website owner would, so i dont see how they suddenly would be exempt from providiing 2257. If i make a replica of google images for adults , then it should be 2257 exempt if google is.. A spider that searches through fhg's with my code on them , just as google does. 
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