Am I reading this right? U.S. producers can't shoot foreign models? - GoFuckYourself.com

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 01:16 PM

According to 2257 Sec. 75.1 (b), you must have a picture identification card from the U.S. government, Washington D.C., or "a foreign government-issued equivalent of any of the documents listed above when both the person who is the subject of the picture identification card and the producer maintaining the required records are located outside the United States."

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 01:24 PM

And, would this apply to affiliates, too? Meaning, if the model is from another country, and the producer must be outside of the country as well, are secondary producers (affiliates) affected as well?

Rich · 05-24-2005, 01:48 PM

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both the person who is the subject of the picture identification card and the producer maintaining the required records are located outside the United States

This doesn't make a lot of sense, so people in the USA can only use content of models who are not American if the producer is outside the US as well? WTF? I'm glad I'm Canadian and not a content producer, this shit would give my attorney a headache.

Damian_Maxcash · 05-24-2005, 01:55 PM

I read that at least ten times and thats what it sounds like.......

I wonder what other little gems are hidden in their?

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

This doesn't make a lot of sense, so people in the USA can only use content of models who are not American if the producer is outside the US as well? WTF? I'm glad I'm Canadian and not a content producer, this shit would give my attorney a headache.

That's what I'm wondering, too. It clearly states what IDs are acceptable, and it states that a foreign ID is only acceptable if the producer and model are out of the U.S.

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 03:13 PM

Anyone else interpret it that way?

mrthumbs · 05-24-2005, 03:18 PM

i really dont see whats so hard to grasp/interpret about that text.

To answer the question:
Yes he can.

Joesho · 05-24-2005, 03:21 PM

Yes of course he can. he just needs to have the proper identification for them.

adis55 · 05-24-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam-EB

According to 2257 Sec. 75.1 (b), you must have a picture identification card from the U.S. government, Washington D.C., or "a foreign government-issued equivalent of any of the documents listed above when both the person who is the subject of the picture identification card and the producer maintaining the required records are located outside the United States."

this means that they are both located outside of united states at the time of the actual shoot. You see it as: "producer has to be operating outside of the US in order to use foreign models and their Id's"

u know what i am sayin

thonglife · 05-24-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam-EB

Anyone else interpret it that way?

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basschick · 05-24-2005, 03:24 PM

Adam - in 2257, as i understand it, it now states that the term producer also includes secondary producers. so anything you read in 2257 that says producer and doesn't specifically exclude secondary producers would include them.

i see you could push that ruling since it doesn't say "only", but i also take the worst-case scenario in my interpretation, which would mean that u.s. producers can only use u.s. i.d.

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by basschick

Adam - in 2257, as i understand it, it now states that the term producer also includes secondary producers. so anything you read in 2257 that says producer and doesn't specifically exclude secondary producers would include them.

i see you could push that ruling since it doesn't say "only", but i also take the worst-case scenario in my interpretation, which would mean that u.s. producers can only use u.s. i.d.

That's what I was thinking, too. We plan on talking to our attorney, Larry Walters in the coming weeks, but I just figured I would ask and get as many answers as possible now.

We have a shoot that was done with a girl from Australia, and it was done here in the U.S. She had an Australian passport, but under these rules, that shoot cannot be used because it is in violation of 2257. Correct?

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 08:04 PM

Not to beat a dead horse...

but, what about buying foreign content? According to this, I cannot produce a site with content from a foreign country. Since I will be the secondary producer, and I am in the U.S., and the model's ID will be from CzechPolGerFranRussiamany, then I would be in violation, correct?

reynold · 05-24-2005, 08:58 PM

Again, this one really sucks!

Major (Tom) · 05-24-2005, 09:07 PM

this is not what i was told by my attorney. I asked the other day about foreign id's and from what i was told it isnt a problem.

I could be wrong, I could have asked him wrong and he misunderstood me.. But, one thing for sure is too many people without attorneys are commenting on this crap who dont know much at all about this and it's stirring up alot of stuff. Get an attorney and dont ask anything this important on gfy. How could gfy, even on its best day, subsitiute for the advice of an attorney. So much of the new 2257 regs have been interpreted by sig whores. Lets step back a second and breathe. Next step is get an attorney. It's that simple.
Duke

Adam-EB · 05-24-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

this is not what i was told by my attorney. I asked the other day about foreign id's and from what i was told it isnt a problem.

I could be wrong, I could have asked him wrong and he misunderstood me.. But, one thing for sure is too many people without attorneys are commenting on this crap who dont know much at all about this and it's stirring up alot of stuff. Get an attorney and dont ask anything this important on gfy. How could gfy, even on its best day, subsitiute for the advice of an attorney. So much of the new 2257 regs have been interpreted by sig whores. Lets step back a second and breathe. Next step is get an attorney. It's that simple.
Duke

Our attorney is Larry Walters, and we have not consulted him about this yet. To be honest, I am trying to get a list of things to go over with him ahead of time, so I'm not unprepared and spending $350 an hour trying to think of what to say, lol. I have a short list so far, and most items can be figured out by reading over and over until it sinks in, but this one thing has me a little confused.

Dugmor · 05-24-2005, 09:20 PM

What is the big deal ? .......... just move out of the country if you want to produce !

Major (Tom) · 05-24-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dugmor

What is the big deal ? .......... just move out of the country if you want to produce !

Tru.
Thats a viable option for me. I have no ties holding me here really.

Duke

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basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	Adam - in 2257, as i understand it, it now states that the term producer also includes secondary producers. so anything you read in 2257 that says producer and doesn't specifically exclude secondary producers would include them. i see you could push that ruling since it doesn't say "only", but i also take the worst-case scenario in my interpretation, which would mean that u.s. producers can only use u.s. i.d. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

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Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	I read that at least ten times and thats what it sounds like....... I wonder what other little gems are hidden in their?

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mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	i really dont see whats so hard to grasp/interpret about that text. To answer the question: Yes he can.

05-24-2005, 08:04 PM	#13
Adam-EB Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 393	Not to beat a dead horse... but, what about buying foreign content? According to this, I cannot produce a site with content from a foreign country. Since I will be the secondary producer, and I am in the U.S., and the model's ID will be from CzechPolGerFranRussiamany, then I would be in violation, correct? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Again, this one really sucks!

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Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,541	this is not what i was told by my attorney. I asked the other day about foreign id's and from what i was told it isnt a problem. I could be wrong, I could have asked him wrong and he misunderstood me.. But, one thing for sure is too many people without attorneys are commenting on this crap who dont know much at all about this and it's stirring up alot of stuff. Get an attorney and dont ask anything this important on gfy. How could gfy, even on its best day, subsitiute for the advice of an attorney. So much of the new 2257 regs have been interpreted by sig whores. Lets step back a second and breathe. Next step is get an attorney. It's that simple. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

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