Will 2257 Force Us Back To "The Good Old Days"? - GoFuckYourself.com

Steve · 05-24-2005, 07:47 AM

ok, I'm no lawyer, but at a glance it seems like making any kind of site/gallery with explicit content will become a chore of record keeping. Does this mean that the surfers are no longer going to find free porn content on the first page (or 25 pages) of a search?

I remember when you would throw up a banner to the paysite - and that would be the only image on your page - now you get a 50/50 change of a link to a TGP/MGP right in the top 5 results for a search (I'm not a bitter dinosaur, my company actually owns sites that match this scenario).

Just thinking out loud - I mean, I doubt everyone is moving to Costa Rica just so they can sling porn.

polish_aristocrat · 05-24-2005, 08:13 AM

bump for this business thread

basschick · 05-24-2005, 08:16 AM

well, ya won't be able to throw up a banner if you don't want to act as custodian for the pics on the banner...

vizortion · 05-24-2005, 08:20 AM

I think it simply means you'll have everyone going back to text based TGPs/MGPs using sponsor hosted galleries only. The days of the gallery submitter have been numbered for quite some time...this only speeds up the process.

polish_aristocrat · 05-24-2005, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by basschick

well, ya won't be able to throw up a banner if you don't want to act as custodian for the pics on the banner...

banners can be hosted by sponsors

but I am really not sure if we will see any significant change, remember, at least 50% webmasters live outside the US and they dont even know what 2257 is, nor will they care about it.

GatorB · 05-24-2005, 08:24 AM

Who is to say that gallery submitters are going to even comply? And if TGP doesn't require them to comply why would they?

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Originally Posted by vizortion

I think it simply means you'll have everyone going back to text based TGPs/MGPs using sponsor hosted galleries only. The days of the gallery submitter have been numbered for quite some time...this only speeds up the process.

Some TPGs make most of their money off of PAID submitions. I highly doubt they will stop taking those.

Damian_Maxcash · 05-24-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vizortion

I think it simply means you'll have everyone going back to text based TGPs/MGPs using sponsor hosted galleries only. The days of the gallery submitter have been numbered for quite some time...this only speeds up the process.

The Hun will get even bigger..... I might find some non-us hosting and open a few TGPs myself.

But I expect Tony will be dreaming up a version of 2257 as we speak, "the Americans are doing it so it must be a good idea"

GatorB · 05-24-2005, 08:26 AM

[QUOTE=polish_aristocrat]banners can be hosted by sponsors[/qute]

Doesn't matter WHERE it's hosted it it is being "published" on your website.

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but I am really not sure if we will see any significant change, remember, at least 50% webmasters live outside the US and they dont even know what 2257 is, nor will they care about it.

Sucks for hard working Americans though.

Doc911 · 05-24-2005, 08:31 AM

To be honest I watched a few hundred websites drop because of the "proposed" 2257. Now thats its a law I would check all your fucking links cause the sheep will be dropping like flys..

Those that maintain and stand their ground will prevail.

The others will all be flocking to Mc Donalds.

xxxice · 05-24-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vizortion

I think it simply means you'll have everyone going back to text based TGPs/MGPs using sponsor hosted galleries only. The days of the gallery submitter have been numbered for quite some time...this only speeds up the process.

this is what i doing

basschick · 05-24-2005, 08:37 AM

dude, that's dumb. there are a lot of options out there besides porn and mcdonalds. and what exactly will you prevail upon?

there are site options for people who don't want to deal with the entire sexually explicit thing - like bikini models, vintage content, toon, stories, hot guys in underwear, pinup girls... just to name a few.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc911

To be honest I watched a few hundred websites drop because of the "proposed" 2257. Now thats its a law I would check all your fucking links cause the sheep will be dropping like flys..

Those that maintain and stand their ground will prevail.

The others will all be flocking to Mc Donalds.

goBigtime · 05-24-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve

Does this mean that the surfers are no longer going to find free porn content on the first page (or 25 pages) of a search?

No. The free porn will still be there. It just wont be making americans as much money as it was before.

vizortion · 05-24-2005, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Who is to say that gallery submitters are going to even comply? And if TGP doesn't require them to comply why would they?

Some TPGs make most of their money off of PAID submitions. I highly doubt they will stop taking those.

I wouldn't submit galleries without 2257 info. Just takes one person to be the example then I'd be intimidated. This is just going to cut the field down even more. But I seriously think you'll see Thumb TGP's drop like flies unless they are non-us based.

GatorB · 05-24-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vizortion

I wouldn't submit galleries without 2257 info. Just takes one person to be the example then I'd be intimidated. This is just going to cut the field down even more. But I seriously think you'll see Thumb TGP's drop like flies unless they are non-us based.

I think it will be funny when the DOJ sees all these non-compliant websites and 95% of the are non-us based. They'll be so busy wasting their time going "Nope can't bust them they're from Holland" will they ever get to US sites?

Steve · 05-24-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I think it will be funny when the DOJ sees all these non-compliant websites and 95% of the are non-us based. They'll be so busy wasting their time going "Nope can't bust them they're from Holland" will they ever get to US sites?

they better be hosted outside the US, too

Snake Doctor · 05-24-2005, 08:46 AM

We'll go back to the good old days of alot fewer webmasters competing for signups.....but we won't go back to the days of 10 pics max on a gallery and softcore only.

This will definitely thin the herd, but there are plenty of us with docs in hand ready to submit as many galleries as the TGP owners want to take the place of those who leave.

Also, those of you who think that getting a server outside the U.S. or hotlinking images is going to save your ass are delusional.
You really need to hire an attorney.

latinasojourn · 05-24-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

We'll go back to the good old days of alot fewer webmasters competing for signups.....but we won't go back to the days of 10 pics max on a gallery and softcore only.

This will definitely thin the herd, but there are plenty of us with docs in hand ready to submit as many galleries as the TGP owners want to take the place of those who leave.

exactly correct. thank goodness!

Damian_Maxcash · 05-24-2005, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

We'll go back to the good old days of alot fewer webmasters competing for signups.....but we won't go back to the days of 10 pics max on a gallery and softcore only.

This will definitely thin the herd, but there are plenty of us with docs in hand ready to submit as many galleries as the TGP owners want to take the place of those who leave.

Also, those of you who think that getting a server outside the U.S. or hotlinking images is going to save your ass are delusional.
You really need to hire an attorney.

If you are rfefering to me saying I will get a non-us server then as far as I know there is no reason I cant say "fuck 2257" - for the moment anyway.

Not sure if I can promote US sites with non compliant offshore gals though - That is the sort of detail we need.

Doc911 · 05-24-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by basschick

what exactly will you prevail upon?

more 404's mean more money for the people that adopt and overcome.

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Originally Posted by Basechick

there are site options for people who don't want to deal with the entire sexually explicit thing - like bikini models, vintage content, toon, stories, hot guys in underwear, pinup girls... just to name a few.

Sex sales....
period

Snake Doctor · 05-24-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

If you are rfefering to me saying I will get a non-us server then as far as I know there is no reason I cant say "fuck 2257" - for the moment anyway.

Not sure if I can promote US sites with non compliant offshore gals though - That is the sort of detail we need.

If I put all of my sites on servers in Amsterdam it wouldn't exempt me from 2257.

If I hotlinked every image and movie on my pages and hosted nothing myself but text it wouldn't exempt me from 2257.

If I created and offshore corporation for all of my internet holdings yet still remained in America physically it wouldn't exempt me from 2257.

Peaches · 05-24-2005, 09:39 AM

Banners don't have to have photos on them.

fireorange · 05-24-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by vizortion

I wouldn't submit galleries without 2257 info. Just takes one person to be the example then I'd be intimidated. This is just going to cut the field down even more. But I seriously think you'll see Thumb TGP's drop like flies unless they are non-us based.

But all the hardcore Thumb TGPs with serious traffic are run by non-US webmasters (I mean 100k+/day not your piece of shit sites). They won't be going away, in fact their traffic will increase because US webmasters will dump their Thumb sites or change to Text only which surfers don't like.

e-god · 05-24-2005, 10:03 AM

bump for interesting thread

VeriSexy · 05-24-2005, 10:08 AM

I miss the good old days, less free porn is way better

Manowar · 05-24-2005, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

The Hun will get even bigger..... I might find some non-us hosting and open a few TGPs myself.

But I expect Tony will be dreaming up a version of 2257 as we speak, "the Americans are doing it so it must be a good idea"

got icq/msn?

Hinc · 05-24-2005, 10:18 AM

hehe its hard to figure out still.

Currently im based outside us, hosting in us, and using billing thats outside us (maybe, ccbill eu)....and i´ve found like 10 different scenarios as to what its gonna mean, alot of guys here seem to have a clearcut interpretation (ranging from it means nothing, over move your server out of us, to you just cant escape it in any possible way).

Anyway, suppose getting prepared isnt a bad idea.

Damian_Maxcash · 05-24-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

got icq/msn?

6377971 - Its off at the moment, Im having an afternoon away from it

- Ill be back on tomorrow though

zzgundamnzz · 05-24-2005, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc911

To be honest I watched a few hundred websites drop because of the "proposed" 2257. Now thats its a law I would check all your fucking links cause the sheep will be dropping like flys..

Those that maintain and stand their ground will prevail.

The others will all be flocking to Mc Donalds.

Now that statment is just plain ignorant... Burger King and Wendy's need employees too

Big Fish 47 · 05-24-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fireorange

...or change to Text only which surfers don't like.

They don't like text only TGPs?

I didn't know that.

stev0 · 05-24-2005, 10:30 AM

New laws are stupid... they should try enforcing the original 2257 before they start ammending it.

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Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Will 2257 Force Us Back To "The Good Old Days"? ok, I'm no lawyer, but at a glance it seems like making any kind of site/gallery with explicit content will become a chore of record keeping. Does this mean that the surfers are no longer going to find free porn content on the first page (or 25 pages) of a search? I remember when you would throw up a banner to the paysite - and that would be the only image on your page - now you get a 50/50 change of a link to a TGP/MGP right in the top 5 results for a search (I'm not a bitter dinosaur, my company actually owns sites that match this scenario). Just thinking out loud - I mean, I doubt everyone is moving to Costa Rica just so they can sling porn.

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vizortion Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 134	I think it simply means you'll have everyone going back to text based TGPs/MGPs using sponsor hosted galleries only. The days of the gallery submitter have been numbered for quite some time...this only speeds up the process.

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Hinc Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,577	hehe its hard to figure out still. Currently im based outside us, hosting in us, and using billing thats outside us (maybe, ccbill eu)....and i´ve found like 10 different scenarios as to what its gonna mean, alot of guys here seem to have a clearcut interpretation (ranging from it means nothing, over move your server out of us, to you just cant escape it in any possible way). Anyway, suppose getting prepared isnt a bad idea. __________________ webmaster @ adultlist. com AdultList.com - Directory Listings, Advertisements, Hardlinks Loasex.com - Directory and old school TGP - taking submits A few sales/opportunities: High Quality Guest Posts For Sale Network of Aged sites for sales. Get in touch on the email above for info.

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