So why wasn't the NATS flaw reported to NATS? - GoFuckYourself.com

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 11:24 AM

Such a sad state this industry is in.... all the childish bickering and fighting aside, it's amazing how eager people are to find faults and flaws and really focus their attention on any kind of harm or damage they can do.... rather than try to do or be positive.

So NATS had a flaw in one file out of thousands... what do you do? Tell the world and hope to do tons of damage to dozens of sponsors as well as the script writers.

What would it have hurt to contact them... tell them about the flaw and have it repaired without causing any harm?

more fun? probably.
less ethical? definitely.

This industry amazed me at first, how everyone worked together. The bigger sponsor programs have a tangled web of intricate business dealings to further each other's profits and potentials.... it was amazing.

But now it seems like the industry is nothing but a bunch of whiny 3rd graders who stick their nose in other people's business.... looking for something... anything that they can use to do harm. Why?

My take on it? The person who does this sort of thing only seems to do harm because of envy. Professionaly, personally, privately... there's some envy there. And rather than stand up, make a move and better themselves.. they find it so much easier to spend months and months digging for any bit of dirt they can find and try to bring down those they envy.

Why be as good as they can be when you can make them worse than you are? Prove them to be a liar, or a scammer, or to do worse than they say... that'll make you feel 10 times better about doing just as bad.

Good job exposing NATS, good job exposing sponsors and good job digging for dirt all these years....

you've just shown us what YOU are all about.

JSA Matt · 05-23-2005, 11:25 AM

It's a bit difficult to "forget" to secure an admin page... from any programmers point of view, this just not a logical excuse.

Dalai lama · 05-23-2005, 11:25 AM

You're so right on this one Nader. Damn you are.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-23-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JSA Matt

It's a bit difficult to "forget" to secure an admin page... from any programmers point of view, this just not a logical excuse.

I should also add this flaw has been around for OVER a year

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JSA Matt

It's a bit difficult to "forget" to secure an admin page... from any programmers point of view, this just not a logical excuse.

that's hardly the point. I know you and NATS are anything but friends, but seriously... this goes WAY beyond their flaw.
I've referenced about 4 different pieces of different drama going on GFY within the past week or so... and yet you're focusing on exactly what I mentioned... the negative.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-23-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

that's hardly the point. I know you and NATS are anything but friends, but seriously... this goes WAY beyond their flaw.
I've referenced about 4 different pieces of different drama going on GFY within the past week or so... and yet you're focusing on exactly what I mentioned... the negative.

Then what is the point ?? just that it didnt get reported to nats first ? well thats an easy question to answer..

That data is very usefull to some people

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Then what is the point ?? just that it didnt get reported to nats first ? well thats an easy question to answer..

That data is very usefull to some people

Let say J&A were still using NATS... would you be happy that people started logging in by the hundreds to view your personal data?
I know, you're not... let's say you have your new software running and someone spends the next year and finds a fault and exploits it and exposes all your personal data to several boards.
Would you be pleased?

Would you come to GFY and go "It was a fault that is very usefull to some people, I'm glad they found it!!!!"?

Or would you wonder the guy didn't just contact you and make you aware of it so you could fix it?

Zebra · 05-23-2005, 11:35 AM

Wonder how many people knew about this flaw and DID keep it quiet.
They are probably cursing the ones who revealed it.

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Let say J&A were still using NATS... would you be happy that people started logging in by the hundreds to view your personal data?
I know, you're not... let's say you have your new software running and someone spends the next year and finds a fault and exploits it and exposes all your personal data to several boards.
Would you be pleased?

Would you come to GFY and go "It was a fault that is very usefull to some people, I'm glad they found it!!!!"?

Or would you wonder the guy didn't just contact you and make you aware of it so you could fix it?

Sorry, made this post as if you were JSA Matt... just glanced quickly and shot something back but still, you get the idea.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-23-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Let say you were still using NATS... would you be happy that people started logging in by the hundreds to view your personal data?
I know, you're not... let's say you have your new software running and someone spends the next year and finds a fault and exploits it and exposes all your personal data to several boards.
Would you be pleased?

Would you come to GFY and go "It was a fault that is very usefull to some people, I'm glad they found it!!!!"?

Or would you wonder the guy didn't just contact you and make you aware of it so you could fix it?

hey hey now , im not disagreeing with you

Im just saying theres an easy answer to WHY.. It sucks but thats reality.. I certainly dont think it was a very smart thing to do ( posting it here on gfy ) I was just explaining why it wasnt reported to nats.. and that is because its a GOLDMINE for those who know how to use it.

example.. i own scammercash.com and i have a blowjob site.. i search through the top affiliates from competition A find the referring urls and how they get their traffic , then i offer them more cash to switch to scammercash

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Zebra

Wonder how many people knew about this flaw and DID keep it quiet.
They are probably cursing the ones who revealed it.

Indeed... even then, it would be knowing and using it for personal advantage. Not ethical or anything but at least you'd be "taking care of #1."
And that's what I'm saying.... take care of your own house, do the best you can do.

It's entirely possible without having to do damage to other people's business.

Rui · 05-23-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zebra

Wonder how many people knew about this flaw and DID keep it quiet.
They are probably cursing the ones who revealed it.

100% rigth on the money

Drake · 05-23-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I should also add this flaw has been around for OVER a year

The page with all the stats on it for all the sponsors was available for over a year unprotected? Have you any idea how many people accessed it?

SmokeyTheBear · 05-23-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

The page with all the stats on it for all the sponsors was available for over a year unprotected? Have you any idea how many people accessed it?

not sure but the url is logged in stats on google since last year

European Lee · 05-23-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

yet you're focusing on exactly what I mentioned... the negative.

Please show us on thread where drama was created on the POSITIVE side of things LOL

Stuart, im sensine the GFY force isnt strong with you

Regards,

Lee

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by European Lee

Please show us on thread where drama was created on the POSITIVE side of things LOL

Stuart, im sensine the GFY force isnt strong with you

Regards,

Lee

I know, I think I'm slipping over to the light side!!

European Lee · 05-23-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

I know, I think I'm slipping over to the light side!!

LOL

I have to admit though, this part of your post was a pretty damn good assessment...

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But now it seems like the industry is nothing but a bunch of whiny 3rd graders who stick their nose in other people's business.... looking for something... anything that they can use to do harm.

You should win a pulitzer for such a well worded, accurate peice of authorship

Regards,

Lee

swedguy · 05-23-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

So NATS had a flaw in one file out of thousands... what do you do? Tell the world and hope to do tons of damage to dozens of sponsors as well as the script writers.

I don't think the intention was to bring damage to the sponsors or NATS.
People are attention whores. This sure gave the person a lot of attention and some thought he was cool for finding something of this magnitude.

Lame!

JSA Matt · 05-23-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

But now it seems like the industry is nothing but a bunch of whiny 3rd graders who stick their nose in other people's business.... looking for something... anything that they can use to do harm. Why?

Perhaps it's just the competitive nature of this industry? Especially these days. We can't "all get along" and everyone makes money. It just doesn't work that way anymore. Everyone wants the biggest piece of the pie and some are just more aggressive

Biggy2 · 05-23-2005, 12:13 PM

Stuart - You hit it right on the head. I lose respect for people who jump into the drama who are not affected by it (in fact, the people who are affected usually lay low to be smart and avoid it). It shows they'd rather get involve in other people's business instead of care for their own.

Doctor Dre · 05-23-2005, 12:55 PM

If I found that flaw I probably would have shut the fuck up and used it to my advantage ...

detoxed · 05-23-2005, 12:59 PM

The quality people and quality programs arent bothered by the BS. NATS probably is not going to lose much business because of this. Several of the sponsors who had their real stats exposed wont lose business. People who had their name damaged by people posting can just sue, the people were obviously posting for no other reason than to damage their business.......

blofer80 · 05-23-2005, 01:05 PM

so true

StuartD · 05-23-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by detoxed

The quality people and quality programs arent bothered by the BS. NATS probably is not going to lose much business because of this. Several of the sponsors who had their real stats exposed wont lose business. People who had their name damaged by people posting can just sue, the people were obviously posting for no other reason than to damage their business.......

Yeah, no doubt about that... as I've always said, the MORE X tries to harm Z's business on this board, the better Z seems to do.
This board is funny for that.

But still, the results aren't what I'm talking about... it's the intentions.

05-23-2005, 11:25 AM	#3
Dalai lama Strength and Honor Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 16,540	You're so right on this one Nader. Damn you are. __________________ A program you can trust. Gallerybooster Run multiply TGPs of 1 script

05-23-2005, 11:35 AM	#8
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	Wonder how many people knew about this flaw and DID keep it quiet. They are probably cursing the ones who revealed it. __________________ Old School

05-23-2005, 11:24 AM	#1
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	So why wasn't the NATS flaw reported to NATS? Such a sad state this industry is in.... all the childish bickering and fighting aside, it's amazing how eager people are to find faults and flaws and really focus their attention on any kind of harm or damage they can do.... rather than try to do or be positive. So NATS had a flaw in one file out of thousands... what do you do? Tell the world and hope to do tons of damage to dozens of sponsors as well as the script writers. What would it have hurt to contact them... tell them about the flaw and have it repaired without causing any harm? more fun? probably. less ethical? definitely. This industry amazed me at first, how everyone worked together. The bigger sponsor programs have a tangled web of intricate business dealings to further each other's profits and potentials.... it was amazing. But now it seems like the industry is nothing but a bunch of whiny 3rd graders who stick their nose in other people's business.... looking for something... anything that they can use to do harm. Why? My take on it? The person who does this sort of thing only seems to do harm because of envy. Professionaly, personally, privately... there's some envy there. And rather than stand up, make a move and better themselves.. they find it so much easier to spend months and months digging for any bit of dirt they can find and try to bring down those they envy. Why be as good as they can be when you can make them worse than you are? Prove them to be a liar, or a scammer, or to do worse than they say... that'll make you feel 10 times better about doing just as bad. Good job exposing NATS, good job exposing sponsors and good job digging for dirt all these years.... you've just shown us what YOU are all about. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

05-23-2005, 11:25 AM	#2
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	It's a bit difficult to "forget" to secure an admin page... from any programmers point of view, this just not a logical excuse.

05-23-2005, 12:13 PM	#20
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	Stuart - You hit it right on the head. I lose respect for people who jump into the drama who are not affected by it (in fact, the people who are affected usually lay low to be smart and avoid it). It shows they'd rather get involve in other people's business instead of care for their own.

05-23-2005, 12:59 PM	#22
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	The quality people and quality programs arent bothered by the BS. NATS probably is not going to lose much business because of this. Several of the sponsors who had their real stats exposed wont lose business. People who had their name damaged by people posting can just sue, the people were obviously posting for no other reason than to damage their business.......

05-23-2005, 01:05 PM	#23
blofer80 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 932	so true