Gut Feeling On 2257 Enforcement? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 05-22-2005, 03:05 PM

i finally gave in - i was always one as a kid to succumb to peer pressure so it's time for my 2257 thread.

as most people know 2257 has been around a long time and was never enforced - i've yet to hear or see of any XXX movie studio, web company,
content provider/producer who has ever had that knock at the door for a 2257 compliance inspection.

i think with these yahoos in government most people are pretty sure there will be some activity. but how much? do you think there's already an order from the Attorney General to do a certain number of inspections within a certain period of time? 100? 200? 500? whacha think - how widespread is this attack on porn going to be?

i have no idea.

GatorB · 05-22-2005, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i finally gave in - i was always one as a kid to succumb to peer pressure so it's time for my 2257 thread.

as most people know 2257 has been around a long time and was never enforced - i've yet to hear or see of any XXX movie studio, web company,
content provider/producer who has ever had that knock at the door for a 2257 compliance inspection.

You are right there hasn't ever been even an ispection. even with Bush being in office for over 4 years. Now ther emight be some inspections becuase of the new rules and once they get going after people and not finding any underage chicks in legitimate porn they'll stop wasting taxpayer money.

WarChild · 05-22-2005, 03:09 PM

George Bush is going to put all of us out of business. He's just taking his time doing it.

2257 is the end of the world, the sky is falling, get out now while you can!

billywatson · 05-22-2005, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i finally gave in - i was always one as a kid to succumb to peer pressure so it's time for my 2257 thread.

as most people know 2257 has been around a long time and was never enforced - i've yet to hear or see of any XXX movie studio, web company,
content provider/producer who has ever had that knock at the door for a 2257 compliance inspection.

i think with these yahoos in government most people are pretty sure there will be some activity. but how much? do you think there's already an order from the Attorney General to do a certain number of inspections within a certain period of time? 100? 200? 500? whacha think - how widespread is this attack on porn going to be?

i have no idea.

Well, this is a great question, and we need to look at the logisitics of it.

DOJ brings in entry level people to knock on doors to inspect. They gotta be getting 40K a year or so in salary, right? And if they all live in Washington, DC...there's travel and living expenses to be covered...so let's say there's 10 DOJ guys doing this, they're at what...1 million a year to enfoce 2257?

And assuming there's 10 guys, how long will it take before they knock on your door?

Imagine how long it's gonna take to inspect, say, JUST Anabolic's records for the last few years...or Red Lights.

So what does this turn into...a lottery? If you get picked for whatever reason...you better be ready.

And geographics. I mean, if you're in, say, Seattle....but the DOJ knows the majority of the biz is in LA...does that mean you're "safe" in Seattle, but if you're in LA, get ready?

Really, when you start thinking hard about this, it almost makes your head spin.

DateDoc · 05-22-2005, 03:12 PM

They are already understaffed. There is no way they could hope to ever inspect everyone. I'd expect them to hit larger companies, companies that promote teens, or companies that someone brings to their attention.

RRRED · 05-22-2005, 03:13 PM

Thank God McDonalds is hiring.

Mr.Fiction · 05-22-2005, 03:14 PM

What if they were to go after 25-50 of the biggest adult companies (online and off) in a set of raids across the country. The trickle down fear after that kind of bust (and they will find reason to bust some people) would shake up the whole industry.

WarChild · 05-22-2005, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

What if they were to go after 25-50 of the biggest adult companies (online and off) in a set of raids across the country. The trickle down fear after that kind of bust (and they will find reason to bust some people) would shake up the whole industry.

The whole industry eh? Do you mean the whole industry located in the United States?

After Shock Media · 05-22-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i think with these yahoos in government most people are pretty sure there will be some activity. but how much? do you think there's already an order from the Attorney General to do a certain number of inspections within a certain period of time? 100? 200? 500? whacha think - how widespread is this attack on porn going to be?

To answer this question, Ashcroft was supposed to report to congress each year with a report on 2257 compliance, number of inspections, prosecutions, and so on. The following year his office failed to do so and instead showed up with revisions to the code. So we can pretty much safely bet the new AG will not wish to show up again in front of congress each year empty handed.

I am leaning more towards an operation such as what was conducted in the 80's with miporn. Right after the regs go into effect a fairly massive and well organized swoop in coast to coast of a pre-compiled list of companies all on one day, and if history is a guide it will be on friday as well.

NaughtyRob · 05-22-2005, 03:19 PM

What if this, what if that. We are ready just in case.

DWB · 05-22-2005, 03:21 PM

I'm going to booby trap my doors and windows and make them come in after me. I'm going out like a SOLDIER!!!

goBigtime · 05-22-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by billywatson

so let's say there's 10 DOJ guys doing this, they're at what...1 million a year to enfoce 2257?

I think it was said before that they've hired way more than 10 attorneys for this task force. One would think they they would have at least 10 foot soldiers/door knockers for each attorney.

thonglife · 05-22-2005, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i finally gave in - i was always one as a kid to succumb to peer pressure so it's time for my 2257 thread.

as most people know 2257 has been around a long time and was never enforced - i've yet to hear or see of any XXX movie studio, web company,
content provider/producer who has ever had that knock at the door for a 2257 compliance inspection.

i think with these yahoos in government most people are pretty sure there will be some activity. but how much? do you think there's already an order from the Attorney General to do a certain number of inspections within a certain period of time? 100? 200? 500? whacha think - how widespread is this attack on porn going to be?

i have no idea.

IMO, it'll be like online pharmacies. With the limited resources the various federal agencies have already, they'll be forced to go after blatant violators..ie.. providers with no 2257 statements or custodian of records contact listed. Even then, sounds to me like another effort by government to enforce the border, the end to the war on drugs, stopping file-sharing. etc.. etc..

basschick · 05-22-2005, 03:32 PM

i suspect they will be going after small webmasters, too - because the government guys will look good if they can win on some of these cases fast. so those of us who can't afford the lawyer bills - and they'll be hefty - will have to take a plea. and then the gov can say "we closed X many pornsites" - it would cost them the least, and get some precedents going.

2257 · 05-22-2005, 03:33 PM

Mutt,

Do not worry we are ready and getting excited to start enforcing

2HousePlague · 05-22-2005, 03:36 PM

To anyone interested in "guesstimating" the likely effect of 2257, I would say look beyond the plausible number of inspections, and look beyond the number of actual prosections likely to result from such inspections.

Obviously, for a company to find itself the direct subject of DOJ interest is the worst way to be affected by 2257. But let us not forget the lessons of Nipplegate. Only CBS/Viacom was fined -- but how many other companies were ultmately "touched" by what CBS/Viacom did, for having to worry about FCC actions, as mere contingencies.

We need only to look at the thread activity on this board since the law was signed last week to know that we are already being affected. The disruption of "business as usual", simply for having this all to think about, could easily prove more costly to the industry -- in preemptive legal fees, anticipatory reconfiguration of operations, and the consequences of appearing to other businesses (outside of Adult) that we are under siege and a liability to work with.

I'll quote myself from XBIZ

Quote:

The effect of censorship can be achieved without legal process and without even the articulation of policy. A climate that includes merely the possibility of political and economic reprisals, a climate of fear, is all that is needed to achieve censorship.

j-

Mr.Fiction · 05-22-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

The whole industry eh? Do you mean the whole industry located in the United States?

Good point.

TheSaint · 05-22-2005, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by basschick

i suspect they will be going after small webmasters, too - because the government guys will look good if they can win on some of these cases fast. so those of us who can't afford the lawyer bills - and they'll be hefty - will have to take a plea. and then the gov can say "we closed X many pornsites" - it would cost them the least, and get some precedents going.

This is correct imo. They already took on Larry Flynt, and lost eventually. This time around they will take on the second tier of porn. If you use your home the'll will use RICO to seize it, as they did in the Virginia case. If your wife helps out sometimes they will threaten her with 5 years in prison, further encouraging you to make a deal.

It doesn't really matter who wins, you loose.

latinasojourn · 05-22-2005, 04:42 PM

my gut feeling is that you will not see random inspections.

you will see targeted inspections of producers they want to pinch.

and the 2257 violation will be the leverage needed to get the plea.

you have to understand something, this isn't going to be brain surgery.

all they need to do is go to the web, see that ex: iforcedfuckedmygirlandmadeherdrinkpiss.com does not have proper 2257 posted on his site, and they go visit him.

they already know he has a technical violation of 2257 by just going online and looking at his site.

and the thing about flying enforcement agents all over the country?

no, each state has it's own federal offices, by district.

the 2257 busts are EASY to get done.

Robbie · 05-22-2005, 04:43 PM

I'd like to make a comment. We were among the first to consult with a certain attorney about adult laws. He now is the main one in the industry. We still listen to what he has to say, but I take it with a grain of salt. His job is to make money. The only way he can make money is to go to court. He has warned us of things over the years that had us in a full panic....and then nothing ever happened.
Not to say it won't happen or that anybody should stick their heads in the sand. But we all need to be VERY low key. Eventually they WILL shut us all down. But it ain't gonna be from 2257 forms or watersports or fisting or any of the other hundred things I was warned were going to happen and never did.
You have to use common sense. The govt. has a couple of options to put us out of business. I have seen it happen locally with topless bars. The first thing they try is raiding the clubs and shutting them down. Then it all goes to court and it's ruled to be unconstitutional to shut the clubs down.
So what does the city or county or state govt. do? They start hitting the wallet. They pass law after law that requires the strip club owner to pay for a million licenses and they come up with regulations (like they did in Florida where you can't serve alcohol in a club with nudity in some places)....there's NOTHING in the constitution to stop them from that. Then if that doesn't work they go for the "nuclear option" and just pull over every car that leaves the club and takes em to jail for DUI.
The 2257 is an attempt to do something similar to that in my opinion. Make all of our sites look like shit with a bunch of legal jibberish written all over them.
But once they get done pussy footing around, they will go for the "nuclear option" which is they will shut our income off. Without credit card processors we are all done. It's just that simple. Recently this lawyer wanted me to join in a suit against IBill. That's just crazy!!! Why on earth would any of us want to go into a courtroom and EDUCATE the government on how we make money!!!!
Please believe me....we are gonna have to jump through a bunch of hoops. But they are not gonna be able to shut us down with "pornography laws" without a long long court battle which they will eventually lose. Which is what the attorneys are watering at the mouth over. No, when they decide to shut us down they will just cut off our money. Why go around busting into double wide trailers to arrest "webmasters" when all they have to do is visit CC Bill and a couple of others and we are done?
And think about this...what "if" they went another way? They could technically use the constitution to say that YES nudity is free speech and fucking bitches in the ass IS our constitutional right! BUT it is illegal to charge money for it!!! We would all be working at McDonalds! LOL!

latinasojourn · 05-22-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'd like to make a comment. We were among the first to consult with a certain attorney about adult laws. He now is the main one in the industry. We still listen to what he has to say, but I take it with a grain of salt. His job is to make money. The only way he can make money is to go to court. He has warned us of things over the years that had us in a full panic....and then nothing ever happened.
Not to say it won't happen or that anybody should stick their heads in the sand. But we all need to be VERY low key. Eventually they WILL shut us all down. But it ain't gonna be from 2257 forms or watersports or fisting or any of the other hundred things I was warned were going to happen and never did.
You have to use common sense. The govt. has a couple of options to put us out of business. I have seen it happen locally with topless bars. The first thing they try is raiding the clubs and shutting them down. Then it all goes to court and it's ruled to be unconstitutional to shut the clubs down.
So what does the city or county or state govt. do? They start hitting the wallet. They pass law after law that requires the strip club owner to pay for a million licenses and they come up with regulations (like they did in Florida where you can't serve alcohol in a club with nudity in some places)....there's NOTHING in the constitution to stop them from that. Then if that doesn't work they go for the "nuclear option" and just pull over every car that leaves the club and takes em to jail for DUI.
The 2257 is an attempt to do something similar to that in my opinion. Make all of our sites look like shit with a bunch of legal jibberish written all over them.
But once they get done pussy footing around, they will go for the "nuclear option" which is they will shut our income off. Without credit card processors we are all done. It's just that simple. Recently this lawyer wanted me to join in a suit against IBill. That's just crazy!!! Why on earth would any of us want to go into a courtroom and EDUCATE the government on how we make money!!!!
Please believe me....we are gonna have to jump through a bunch of hoops. But they are not gonna be able to shut us down with "pornography laws" without a long long court battle which they will eventually lose. Which is what the attorneys are watering at the mouth over. No, when they decide to shut us down they will just cut off our money. Why go around busting into double wide trailers to arrest "webmasters" when all they have to do is visit CC Bill and a couple of others and we are done?
And think about this...what "if" they went another way? They could technically use the constitution to say that YES nudity is free speech and fucking bitches in the ass IS our constitutional right! BUT it is illegal to charge money for it!!! We would all be working at McDonalds! LOL!

no, so call "porn" isn't going anywhere. too many ordinary people want to buy it.

people in $1000/night suites at AAA hotels with pay per view, and homeboxoffice, and the spice channel, etc etc etc.

but "porn" that is unpalatable to ordinary people (not mainstream fucking and sucking) but nasty degrading shit, will be forced from the landscape (for a while).

chadglni · 05-22-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

The whole industry eh? Do you mean the whole industry located in the United States?

How about everyone doing biz with a company from the United States?

Nate-MM2 · 05-22-2005, 04:55 PM

2257 violations --> obscenity pleas --> RICO --> seizures --> filling government coffers

When looking at the past doesn't help predict the future just look at the revenue trail.

pornguy · 05-22-2005, 04:55 PM

I dont think that they will go after someone like CE, Adult.com or the bigger guys. They will go after the easier targets. The ones that dont have the money to defend themselves, and more likely do not have the paper work together.

directfiesta · 05-22-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

The whole industry eh? Do you mean the whole industry located in the United States?

You are not out of reach because you are Canadian, but only because YOU are a small fish ....

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The three men were allegedly associated with Forbiddenvideos.com and Fetish1000.com, several years ago. McDowell and Gartman were found in Canada, though the assistance of Canadian law enforcement authorities. They now face extradition to the U.S. If convicted, Santilena faces ten years, and Gartman and McDowell each face a mandatory federal prison sentence in the range of roughly 3 - 7 years under the federal sentencing guidelines.

European Lee · 05-22-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

They will go after the easier targets. The ones that dont have the money to defend themselves, and more likely do not have the paper work together.

You mean..

The GFY'ers?

Good stuff, we need rid of the noobs and hobbyists in this industry

Regards,

Lee

latinasojourn · 05-22-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You are not out of reach because you are Canadian, but only because YOU are a small fish ....

yes, and people should know what got them pinched.

rough sex "rape" videos.

WarChild · 05-22-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You are not out of reach because you are Canadian, but only because YOU are a small fish ....
The three men were allegedly associated with Forbiddenvideos.com and Fetish1000.com, several years ago. McDowell and Gartman were found in Canada, though the assistance of Canadian law enforcement authorities. They now face extradition to the U.S. If convicted, Santilena faces ten years, and Gartman and McDowell each face a mandatory federal prison sentence in the range of roughly 3 - 7 years under the federal sentencing guidelines.

So it's your contention that these men were Canadian Citizens being extridited to the US to face charges OR were these NOT Canadian citizens and your example is as useless as most of what you post?

Canadians can't be extridited to face charges in another country for something that's not a crime in Canada. That is, if Turkey passes a law that it's illegal to have a website period, Canada won't be deporting me there to face charges.

Try for once to be relevant.

sumphatpimp · 05-22-2005, 06:44 PM

I thought Acacia already took out online adult?
Oh shit, thats right, alot of you weren't here for that!
Oh well.

latinasojourn · 05-22-2005, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild

So it's your contention that these men were Canadian Citizens being extridited to the US to face charges OR were these NOT Canadian citizens and your example is as useless as most of what you post?

Canadians can't be extridited to face charges in another country for something that's not a crime in Canada. That is, if Turkey passes a law that it's illegal to have a website period, Canada won't be deporting me there to face charges.

Try for once to be relevant.

good point. it is my understanding the the people extradicted were usa citizens doing business in the USA before they moved to canada.

WarChild · 05-22-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

good point. it is my understanding the the people extradicted were usa citizens doing business in the USA before they moved to canada.

Shhh, don't tell Direct Fiesta. He's busy hiding out from China, because after all it's illegal to be involved with a porn website in China. Any day now the RCMP should be rounding him up for extradition.

reynold · 05-22-2005, 07:01 PM

A sudden shift of economic tide...
better find anophther job early on guys!

KingK7 · 05-22-2005, 07:10 PM

I think you're all going to jail. All 2257 of you.

thonglife · 05-22-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

no, so call "porn" isn't going anywhere. too many ordinary people want to buy it.

people in $1000/night suites at AAA hotels with pay per view, and homeboxoffice, and the spice channel, etc etc etc.

but "porn" that is unpalatable to ordinary people (not mainstream fucking and sucking) but nasty degrading shit, will be forced from the landscape (for a while).

Not to mention all the damn visits from '.gov' I see 403'd in my logs all the time. From D.C. congressional offices to overseas state departments, even the government wants porn but won't openly admit it.

crockett · 05-22-2005, 08:43 PM

Personally I don't think there will be a lot of surprise inspections.. I'm thinking this will be used to go after what they consider obscene content sites.. Before they didn't win many case on obscenity so this will be their way of winning these cases.

latinasojourn · 05-22-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Personally I don't think there will be a lot of surprise inspections.. I'm thinking this will be used to go after what they consider obscene content sites.. Before they didn't win many case on obscenity so this will be their way of winning these cases.

agreed.

get'em on a technical violation ostensibly looking for child porn, then trade that conviction for an obscenity plea to please congress.

politics in action.

Scootermuze · 05-22-2005, 09:23 PM

Some of what Gonzales wants will have to be cut from the regs..

There are some proposed laws that the 'powers that be' know can't be enforced and must be tweaked... Being an affiliate of PE Cash, I would be required to have records of every performer in every video sold on the sponsor's site.. This is impossible and not even feasible.. So I can see some of G.'s wants and wishes pulled before it's a go.

05-22-2005, 03:05 PM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Gut Feeling On 2257 Enforcement? i finally gave in - i was always one as a kid to succumb to peer pressure so it's time for my 2257 thread. as most people know 2257 has been around a long time and was never enforced - i've yet to hear or see of any XXX movie studio, web company, content provider/producer who has ever had that knock at the door for a 2257 compliance inspection. i think with these yahoos in government most people are pretty sure there will be some activity. but how much? do you think there's already an order from the Attorney General to do a certain number of inspections within a certain period of time? 100? 200? 500? whacha think - how widespread is this attack on porn going to be? i have no idea. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

05-22-2005, 03:09 PM	#3
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	George Bush is going to put all of us out of business. He's just taking his time doing it. 2257 is the end of the world, the sky is falling, get out now while you can! __________________ .

05-22-2005, 03:12 PM	#5
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	They are already understaffed. There is no way they could hope to ever inspect everyone. I'd expect them to hit larger companies, companies that promote teens, or companies that someone brings to their attention. __________________

05-22-2005, 03:14 PM	#7
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	What if they were to go after 25-50 of the biggest adult companies (online and off) in a set of raids across the country. The trickle down fear after that kind of bust (and they will find reason to bust some people) would shake up the whole industry. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

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NaughtyRob Two fresh affiliate progs Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Inside teen pussy Posts: 29,602	What if this, what if that. We are ready just in case. __________________ [email protected] Skype: 17026955414 Vacares Web Hosting - Protect Your Ass with Included Daily Backups

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RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Thank God McDonalds is hiring.

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I'm going to booby trap my doors and windows and make them come in after me. I'm going out like a SOLDIER!!!

05-22-2005, 03:32 PM	#14
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	i suspect they will be going after small webmasters, too - because the government guys will look good if they can win on some of these cases fast. so those of us who can't afford the lawyer bills - and they'll be hefty - will have to take a plea. and then the gov can say "we closed X many pornsites" - it would cost them the least, and get some precedents going. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

05-22-2005, 03:33 PM	#15
2257 So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: 2257 is the Future Posts: 79	Mutt, Do not worry we are ready and getting excited to start enforcing

05-22-2005, 04:42 PM	#19
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	my gut feeling is that you will not see random inspections. you will see targeted inspections of producers they want to pinch. and the 2257 violation will be the leverage needed to get the plea. you have to understand something, this isn't going to be brain surgery. all they need to do is go to the web, see that ex: iforcedfuckedmygirlandmadeherdrinkpiss.com does not have proper 2257 posted on his site, and they go visit him. they already know he has a technical violation of 2257 by just going online and looking at his site. and the thing about flying enforcement agents all over the country? no, each state has it's own federal offices, by district. the 2257 busts are EASY to get done.

05-22-2005, 04:43 PM	#20
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I'd like to make a comment. We were among the first to consult with a certain attorney about adult laws. He now is the main one in the industry. We still listen to what he has to say, but I take it with a grain of salt. His job is to make money. The only way he can make money is to go to court. He has warned us of things over the years that had us in a full panic....and then nothing ever happened. Not to say it won't happen or that anybody should stick their heads in the sand. But we all need to be VERY low key. Eventually they WILL shut us all down. But it ain't gonna be from 2257 forms or watersports or fisting or any of the other hundred things I was warned were going to happen and never did. You have to use common sense. The govt. has a couple of options to put us out of business. I have seen it happen locally with topless bars. The first thing they try is raiding the clubs and shutting them down. Then it all goes to court and it's ruled to be unconstitutional to shut the clubs down. So what does the city or county or state govt. do? They start hitting the wallet. They pass law after law that requires the strip club owner to pay for a million licenses and they come up with regulations (like they did in Florida where you can't serve alcohol in a club with nudity in some places)....there's NOTHING in the constitution to stop them from that. Then if that doesn't work they go for the "nuclear option" and just pull over every car that leaves the club and takes em to jail for DUI. The 2257 is an attempt to do something similar to that in my opinion. Make all of our sites look like shit with a bunch of legal jibberish written all over them. But once they get done pussy footing around, they will go for the "nuclear option" which is they will shut our income off. Without credit card processors we are all done. It's just that simple. Recently this lawyer wanted me to join in a suit against IBill. That's just crazy!!! Why on earth would any of us want to go into a courtroom and EDUCATE the government on how we make money!!!! Please believe me....we are gonna have to jump through a bunch of hoops. But they are not gonna be able to shut us down with "pornography laws" without a long long court battle which they will eventually lose. Which is what the attorneys are watering at the mouth over. No, when they decide to shut us down they will just cut off our money. Why go around busting into double wide trailers to arrest "webmasters" when all they have to do is visit CC Bill and a couple of others and we are done? And think about this...what "if" they went another way? They could technically use the constitution to say that YES nudity is free speech and fucking bitches in the ass IS our constitutional right! BUT it is illegal to charge money for it!!! We would all be working at McDonalds! LOL!

05-22-2005, 04:55 PM	#23
Nate-MM2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, CANADA Posts: 263	2257 violations --> obscenity pleas --> RICO --> seizures --> filling government coffers When looking at the past doesn't help predict the future just look at the revenue trail.

05-22-2005, 04:55 PM	#24
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I dont think that they will go after someone like CE, Adult.com or the bigger guys. They will go after the easier targets. The ones that dont have the money to defend themselves, and more likely do not have the paper work together. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

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sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	I thought Acacia already took out online adult? Oh shit, thats right, alot of you weren't here for that! Oh well.

05-22-2005, 07:01 PM	#32
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	A sudden shift of economic tide... better find anophther job early on guys!

05-22-2005, 07:10 PM	#33
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	I think you're all going to jail. All 2257 of you.

05-22-2005, 08:43 PM	#35
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Personally I don't think there will be a lot of surprise inspections.. I'm thinking this will be used to go after what they consider obscene content sites.. Before they didn't win many case on obscenity so this will be their way of winning these cases. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

05-22-2005, 09:23 PM	#37
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	Some of what Gonzales wants will have to be cut from the regs.. There are some proposed laws that the 'powers that be' know can't be enforced and must be tweaked... Being an affiliate of PE Cash, I would be required to have records of every performer in every video sold on the sponsor's site.. This is impossible and not even feasible.. So I can see some of G.'s wants and wishes pulled before it's a go.