Forest, I know, I have been a webmaster promoting ifriends for almost 3 years now.

There is also another list, thats growing, and its a list of people who are NOT being paid on time, if at all.

Yes Speedy, that check it for the 11th.

I just had to get in on this fuckin' shit too.

I have just cashed a check from Ifriends today, yes, TODAY with no fuckin' problems at all. If you look closely at the acc #'s on the two canceled checks, you'll see that they are the same ("0055316762"), and they both lead to an empty ass account. However, the number acc # on my check is different. The number is "0055316770". Maybe that has something to do with it, who knows. I am just glad my damn money cleared. So to anyone who has not yet cashed a ClickCash checks, be very of cautious especially if the acct. # is "0055316762".

Anybody who has ever used ClickCash/iFriends knows without a shadow of a doubt that they fuck up, and they fuck up very often. I am by no means defending such irresponsibility on their behalf, but perhaps, this is just yet another ClickCash fuck up on a much larger scale.

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If it doesn't make dollars, then it doesn't make sense!

ifriends needs to partner up with my company and have us manage their payroll / hosting / scripting http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

hope you guys get your money
i've asked a friend to give a call to ifriends and see what she can find out, so this will be resolved and i will bring u guys an update as to why this has happened as soon as i can.

Hey man the difference in the check account number is because one account is for clickcash webmasters and one is for the ifriends hosts, 2 different accounts.

http://www.ambrizhot2.com/msf.jpg 1600$
http://www.angelfire.com/blues/badchecks/index.html 900$

my webmaster account cleared, but my girlfriend and I also get paid for ifriend chathost, those are NSF

ooops, i typed that link wrong
http://www.ambrizhot2.com/nsf.jpg

nsf not msf http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

ahhh...so your saying the webmasters who use i-friends checks are clearing but the chathost/girls on cams checks are bouncing?

I don't think there's any question now that this is a wide-spread problem. I feared as much.

Is there anyone here in collections?

Fro

I just called their 800 number and used the account# 0055316770
said that the funds were not good

well fletch when i posted what i did, it had appeared to be a mistake on the banks part. after taking a nap and reading again and calling bank atlantic, i see otherwise.

ifriends had made a statment that they were tking care of things and many people were told to contact louann. since the people on this board are cc webmasters, i thought maybe i'd try to help because 1. i WANTED to believe ifriends when they said it was a mistake and 2. i wanted to help provide any info i could to y'all from what we read on the if boards.

yeah i'm fucking pissed too and no i don't work for either place other than cc and at one time i was a chathost.

Regardless, when they freeze Webpower.Incs accounts for writing bad checks intentionally to all of this it will affect us all. And when ifriends goes down, all the money we webmasters make from it will go down as well. I know personally this will have a huge impact on my life, or at least the flow of money until I get it resolved...

I might add, I don't know if any of you are hosts on ifreidns but they have a private message board for hosts only and I am reading it and you would be surprised what is being said and just how many people's lives are being turned upside down.

I know women whom have children and make their total living on ifriends from home, now what can they do, here's a quote from one host on the p[rivate board...

- "I'm out 3 weeks of checks and my banking accounts are frozen.....can ifriends tell me how i should go about feeding my kid for the next week or 2 or however long this goes on." -

I am waiting for 2 Click Cash webmaster check to be "reissued" due to "mailing errors", my address has never changed in the 3 or so years I have promoted clickcash and they claim my adress is now correct, as a webmaster I have lost 2 checks this year, and as a chathost neither my girlfriend or I have been paid on 4 check this week. So that makes 6 checks in limbo, ...

/fuck

Just got off the phone with bank again... now not only have the cam chathost checks bounced, but now my clickcash webmaster check has bounced too. So now webmasters are being fucked as well...

In addition to my chathosts checks bouncing in excess of $3000 my click cash checks are bouncing as well, indeed this sucks fucking ass.

Super Pissed!

Last week Two CCBILL Checks were returned and stamped PAYMENT STOPPED! Now Im afraid to put in my CCbill Checks from this week.

Anyone else have a problem with CCBILL checks? I called them and they said call back monday and talk to account, I asked tech if they knew anything about this, she said, there was a problem, it should be fixed within the next few pay periods. But I didnt know anything about this. Shouldn't they have sent out an email or something to notify us. Thats a $7.50 charge for a returned check.

anyone else???

Da Bears!

What's the difference between PAYMENT STOPPED and INSUFFICIENT FUNDS. I think it's significant.

I cash checks from CCBill every week (it seems). Never a problem. I'll let you know if that changes.

Fro

i dont understand why I-friends made a big deal about getting me my check fed x the other day just to have it bounce? i cashed two checks thursday or friday so does that mean my bank is going to take the money out of my checking to cover them?

Ive been cashing CCBill checks for 5 years never a problem, Until now =(

I just dont understand why an email wasnt sent out, but I hope all is ok

Go Bears!

well my check from Jan 11th cleared without a problem (so far) and i just deposited one on Friday, so let's see

also tried calling Stacy and her extension is no longer valid - not a good sign

maybe Persian Kitty can shed some light on this situation, she's been using them the longest and probably has more contacts

Well,

One thing's for sure; if you have a problem with CCBill, you can almost always get your account representative. I know there have been a number of times when I had problems and Sean was always on the other end of the phone.

Night and day, I'd say, from ClickCash support.

Have you given CCBill a call?

Fro

CCBill mailed me 2300$ accidently a couple weeks back

Without my CC Bill check I would be totally broke this week. Although after all the bank fees I will be... CC Bill kicks ass, nothing bad to say about them.

It's ClickCash who is fucking us now...

I just called Bankatlantic's 800 number to verify merchant funds for the webmaster account and guess what?

It doesn't even clear 2 bucks.

This fuckin sucks. I have checks from dec that I haven't cashed yet.

Never again...

anyone know for sure if we are all screwed yet?

Yeah I would say we are all screwed when they dont email webmasters an explanation,I just called the bank as well and there is NO money in their merchant account
I have $6k i havent cashed either
fuckin sucks

A few weeks ago we had an issue with a few partner checks being mailed out incorrectly...we emailed the affected partners and placed "stop payments" on the checks...if you didnt get an email, please email with the details and i will see why...get hold of me and we will compensate you for the bank fees

Rocky, Staceys extension should not be any different than before...you have any problems/questions and can't get hold of her, call ext. 160..

taking off for the night, anybody has any problems with CCBill, email [email protected]



[This message has been edited by corvett (edited 01-19-2002).]

yeah, true. Im thinking its NOT CCBILL,but maybe a check sent that shouldn't have been sent,or a sponser error. Well, monday I will find out, but two checks equaling up to more then $500.00 http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/frown.gif

hope all is well

Maybe PersianKitty will post here since she's been using them the longest. 6 years in February, weekly checks like clockwork with never and problem.

I was contacted by several people today regarding this issue. I have been assured via email (with less than a 3 hour turn around on a Saturday) by the owner of Webpower that this is an isolated problem that was created by the bank in question.

Also, trying to verify funds this weekend will do you no good. Many large businesses make it a practice of using what's called a "Sweep account" funds are moved nightly from an interest bearing account to the checking account to cover the previous days checks. So essentially there is never a true balance in the checking account.

Also, many large businesses transfer funds from checking accounts to interesting bearing accounts over weekends (and this is a 3 day weekend here in the US) in order to gain the interest on money that would normally be sitting there.

In regards to those who are talking about how this effects their personal life, it may be callous to say but I never spend deposited money until I've given it a good 10 days to make sure it's really there.

See....in my kittenhood I got burned by a sponsor. I'd already put the money into something else and had to scramble for a couple of weeks and give some explanations because of it. I've learned to be patient and wait the 10 banking days to be safe. It only creates a crunch for the first couple of weeks you're doing it and then the flow seems like it normal does for you.

Regarding viewing stats, I've run into a bit of problems, but I find if I use their "log in/log out" function to log out and then back in, I can view stats fine.

I hope this helps.

[This message has been edited by PersianKitty (edited 01-19-2002).]

Very well said.

I think it's happened to everyone at least once.

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thank you PK for responding, Im hearing ya http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I will let everyone know how it turns out on monday.

Now approve my galleries, I review for tommy on tommys-bookmarks, Help a brotha out! hehehe

[This message has been edited by BumpUglyz (edited 01-19-2002).]

Yup. We're fucked. Quote me on that.

thanx PK for the reply.

i think its interesting that PK can get in touch with the owner of webpower, but the 1000's of other webmasters who dont do her volume cant even email a normal tech support person. this is no way to run a company, and regardless of who's fault all this bank shit is, i think webpower needs to wake up and start treating its webmasters with a bit more respect.

True...

and that doesn't explain why my sales are not credited? 5000 hits today and 0 signups?? This is ridiculous

Too cash or not to cash, that is the question !

I dont give a fuck who "assured" what. The bank "assured" me the fucking funds were not there.

Fact is, as a chathost they already take 50% of my money off the top, they OWE me the rest untouched and available as it says on my check just like any other employer. Just because this is online does not make it different.

Ifriends aint do no fucking favors, we who push and promote the sites are OWED this, its not courtesy to pay on time, its part of the deal. Pay Me Fuckers.

As far as not sending Pks volume, i dont give a fuck how many hits I send them compared to PKs. I send those fuckers at least 30 join ups a week, and not to mention all the girls I have recruited for them. I send them well in excess of 100k hits a week ((((yeah my ratio is terrible I know, I have watched my join up ratio go down as my hits increase, shaving? My ratio was 1:200 until 2 months ago, now its 1:19k LOL))) and have made enough to not work a day job in 3 years, so does that make me less important or worthy of an explanation. Shit man I recruited 2 of the top 10 hosts on that site. Not Joking.

Fact is, it was NOT a simple bank error. I called and punched in 125k yesterday, and it said "funds available" you can do this for ANY BANK account or any check. So clickcash was able to cash 125k yesterday. But none of the 4 checks I have will clear today...smallest 65 bucks, highest 900+

So whoever told PK this, is the same cock thats lying to us on the chathost message board regarding the $1000 bucks for ANY proof of a NSF check. http://ifriends.net/forums.html

Did yer buddy Bad Check writer mention this 1k reward PK?

Tell the owner he owes me, my girlfriend and hundreds of others MONEY, not a fucking apology or assurance, M-O-N-E-Y ... assure him his site is done.

I dont think its too much to ask to be paid. Not to mention the thousands they are shaving off of webmasters like me...

Personally I think the IRS finally caught up to them. I do quarterly taxes too, and I am sure quite a few sites will be incurring probs this year regarding e-accounting.

I don't think you read my entire post.. specifically the part about businesses using sweep accounts and also moving large balances out of non-interest bearing accounts over weekends in order to make the interest on them from Friday night until Monday morning.

I find it hard that anyone would believe that a company with at least $125K in the bank on a Friday and almost $0 on a Saturday would be doing anything other than using their money in a wise way over a long holiday weekend.

I've been in the adult internet business for over 6 years. Every single long term player will tell you they aren't here today by screwing others. All of us have faced the scrutiny of our piers, the media, and even the US Government.. including the IRS.

It's very easy to jump to conclusions when information is forthcoming. Everyone does it. I'm positive that as the week begins everything will be explained and corrected. I just hope then maybe the same people posting now will have the dignity to post then.

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BTW: I sure hope Ifriends will sort it out and I never heart anything bad about them and their product is cool.

If I was too quick to jump, I apologize, but seriously, no webmaster I know of even gets decent response from them, and you claim to get 3 hour response from the owner. Rub it in why dont ya.

Of course I will post about this when it has cleared. And I will post about it until it has.

But PK, one thing remains, we were assured this would not happen and that all checks were good. Even encouraged by this owner guy and Louann to fucking REDEPOSIT the checks after they already went through the account once. So we are being charged twice man. It's in the ifriends forums. http://ifriends.net/forums.html but you have to be a chathost.

This owner guy claimed if anyone could prove a check had been NSF that they would be paid 1k on top of the amount of the check. Now today, days later my checks are NSF and Im supposed to be cool til Monday when my bank is negative 500. And because I wrote checks against this money I should have waited 10 days, well CC has never given me reason to doubt their money. Upon reASSURANCE from LOUANN...Gee sorry I don't make as much as the rest and can just write checks for amounts and not care, I live check to check and work hard at what I do and demand to be treated with at least the decency to be fucking paid.

They were quick to up the pay per join to 20 to keep us around when the stats began to get shaky, now this?

They were quick to post "We have never bounced a check and have been online since 96" well hundreds of checks are bouncing now and they will NOT even make a post in reponse to hundreds of chathosts and webmasters posts on their own message boards in regards to this matter, they have YET TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO ANYONE BUT YOU PK. You get an email and no other webmaster does?

NO offense PK, theyre your friends and they called you. Cool And I am sure your checks cleared. Whereas I am out of over 3k this week. Not to mention, one of the check that bounced in my account was a REISSUED check from a check not recieved a few weeks back due to accounting errors on their part...

Does seem pretty lame. I've never heard of anyone getting an answer from iFriends.

Treating one or two of your webmasters like gold and the rest like crap is a pretty poor way of doing business.

i agree it sucks. thats how this world works though, not just in adult biz. go to vegas & drop $50k on the craps table. youll be treated like a king from now until you die. but go in & bet $500 and youre just another schmuck. companies always treat their best customers/partners with more respect than the 1000s of little guys who live check to check. as for adult biz... yeah, a lot of those programs take care of their big guys. i worked at a very large sponsor for a bit and i know that certain people's phone calls ALWAYS got through to the owner, regardless of what was going on.

i cant think of a single program out there that doesnt have a webmaster support department except ifriends. there may be others, i just havent used them personally.

anyway... while i think this is all bullshit about how we're being treated, i agree with PK that we should try and wait for a response... i live check to check too, so im hoping to god mine doesnt bounce before this is all worked out. guess we'll see... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Okay, sorry for the multiple posts, wanted to add something that looks important. Ifriends just pulled their message boards.

in response to PK

I find it hard to believe any business with 125k in an account on Friday would have $65 checks bouncing the next day, I also find it hard to consider this using their money in a wise way over a holiday weekend.

Also, its not just one account its all the Webpower merchant accounts PK. ClickCash and Ifriends have seperate banking. So if they were making some sweep action, why would it affect all the company funds.

ClickCash = 0055316770
ifriends = 0055316762

This owner guy made a post saying "ex clickcash webmasters and banned chathosts were making up these rumors and trying to give click cash and ifriends a bad name by saying their checks were bouncing"... now we find this rumor of bad checks to be true. Bad checks are giving them a bad name not webmasters or hosts.

Anyway, hope its all taken care of, as of now though 2:10 am PST ifriends has taken down their message boards. So instead of a response they just take them down... well PK< I hope you're right man. I really do. I really really really do ... thanks for the positive words though PK...

Just yanked this off their board, too tired to actually read it but I think it is what you are looking for http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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Statement from iFriends
From: Chathost Support Mgr ([email protected])
Date: 1/20/02
Time: 12:56:54 AM
Remote Name: 204.180.135.38


Comments
(Parts of this post repeat previous posts from iFriends, which assorted newcomers to this forums have apparently not yet encountered)

Early this past week, a communcations protocol problem between Bank of America and BankAtlantic prevented the clearance of several checks for both the iFriends and the Clickcash program.

The number of checks is 262, which represents a small portion of one day's business (the average number of checks cashed daily, for both iFriends chathosts and clickcash webmasters, numbers in the thousands). All other checks that day cleared. All checks *since* that day have cleared.

If you were affected by the incident, your bank will likely automatically redeposit the check. However, iFriends *does* confirm that in a small number of cases, the checks were returned with the erroneous designation NSF. As these checks are brought to our attention, we are issuing replacement checks.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause for iFriends chathosts, who have been the beneficiaries of regular weekly payments *without even a single incident* going back four years. (That's more than a 200 consecutive weeks of consistent and prompt payments ... a sterling reputation for integrity and reliability DESTROYED by a bank's reckless error, for which we are VERY, VERY pissed off).

I want to personally assure each and every one of you that iFriends is financially sound, and the site is healthier than ever. I have worked for this company even before iFriends existed, and have grown with it through the years, and I can tell you that when I look around these days, all I see around me is a 100% healthy enterprise.

On behalf of these two banks (who are pointing fingers at each other), iFriends sincerely apologizes for any stress or inconvenience caused you by this situation.

Louann

PS: If you have received an NSF returned check, please email me at [email protected] or call me so I can rush you out a replacement check. Last changed: January 19, 2002


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