Dombuyer's Guide to turning a grand into $3-$5k or more - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

slavdogg · 05-02-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuckin Bill

2 questions that I don't think were touched on in here.

I have a few "my" domains. mythis or mythat type of stuff. What's the general view on those types of domains? As a whole do the "my" domains do as good, better, or worse than more generic names?

And 2nd, what about spanish language names. Is there a market for these? or is it generally better to just stick with english words?

BETTER or worse in what ??

spanish domains, of course there is a value, in many cases a lot of value
but the value is lower than english domains
simply put people in spanish countries have less money than people in english speaking countries.

Turboface · 05-02-2005, 10:15 PM

I love this thread!

If you guys have any domain names (or websites) you wanted to sell, please feel free to list them on my new site Nicdo.

Steen2 · 05-02-2005, 10:42 PM

Oh how I love it when people are invited to join a small, already crowded industry.

Having said that; creamers.com to anyone interested.

Turboface · 05-02-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Steen2

creamers.com to anyone interested.

That's a decent domain name there. It's potentially worth $2700 or more, to the right buyer.

KRL · 05-02-2005, 11:14 PM

250 Domain Kings!

Taboo · 05-02-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Guys, if you contact me, please appreciate that while I like to be helpful, I have over 300 emails and almost the same icq messages to read.

I never figured me sharing some info would result in people getting pissed off at me.

.

DB,

Join the club. Now you know what I went through with my domain threads....

warning:
The emails will keep flooding your in-box and everyone's piss-o-meter will rise because they think you're ignoring them (their email), when in truth, you're just 500+ emails behind. LOL.

...and that's just the first few days.

but there's a silver lining... chatting w/ potential partners and lots of great networking.

(but in the time it took you to read this post, you probably received 25 more emails. LOL.)

Have fun.

.

Taboo · 05-03-2005, 12:25 AM

just to repeat what DB said earlier...

if you're going to buy or reg domains to sell/invest/etc don't go after trademarks, don't cybersquat, don't register in bad faith, etc...

need a possible example? want some domain drama?

recently SOLD @ AFTERNIC:
nationalnet.com 5,000.00

guess who bought it...
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/462842-wtf-nationalnet-sold.html

learn from their mistake.

KRL · 05-03-2005, 12:52 AM

My ICQ is off too. This is nutz.

Send your incredible domains for sale to DB please.

HarlotCash Dyker · 05-03-2005, 01:03 AM

I think this post will have had many people thinking "How can I get involved"
I also think those with a quicker brain will have worked out a few variables and will be working hard at this moment...

One of the best threads on gfy for me.

DWB · 05-03-2005, 02:30 AM

This is not my game but the post is top notch info. Maybe one of the best I have read on GFY.

DomBuyer · 05-03-2005, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

250 Domain Kings!

DomBuyer · 05-03-2005, 05:28 AM

Someone asked about mydomains: names with "my" on the front.

A dead trend from a few years ago, but "my" domains still sell, sometimes for more than a few grand.

The same goes for "i" or "e" domains: trend relics, but sometimes companies pay for them.

But I wouldn't touch 'em at all.

DomBuyer · 05-03-2005, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taboo

DB,

Join the club. Now you know what I went through with my domain threads....

warning:
The emails will keep flooding your in-box and everyone's piss-o-meter will rise because they think you're ignoring them (their email), when in truth, you're just 500+ emails behind. LOL.

...and that's just the first few days.

but there's a silver lining... chatting w/ potential partners and lots of great networking.

(but in the time it took you to read this post, you probably received 25 more emails. LOL.)

Have fun.

.

I've decided to invoke Bill Gates' wacky idea of charging .25 for each incoming email.

A reply is $20 paypal.

cyber_ninja · 05-03-2005, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cyber_ninja

if i have a domain that i type is sepret words in the keyword selector and get 56,then type the domain with the .com atatched and get 82 does that meen that people are typeing in the domain itself and not the kew words?

i know the domain isnt worth anything,im just trying to figure out what to do before spending money,can anyone answer?

KRL · 05-03-2005, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

I've decided to invoke Bill Gates' wacky idea of charging .25 for each incoming email.

A reply is $20 paypal.

As wacky as that sounds DB, that's actually a damn good idea. You pay a small fee to be assured your e-mail gets read, or gets read first, or gets replied to, when sending to experts.

Hmmmmm . . . food for thought. That could become a quite lucrative way to deal with the e-mail avalanche issues we have.

DomBuyer · 05-03-2005, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

As wacky as that sounds DB, that's actually a damn good idea. You pay a small fee to be assured your e-mail gets read, or gets read first, or gets replied to, when sending to experts.

Hmmmmm . . . food for thought. That could become a quite lucrative way to deal with the e-mail avalanche issues we have.

I got the idea from my doctor, who has a media column and is quite well known as a great holistic doctor. He charges $20 for a quick "diagnosis" (within limits) and people love it, because they don't have to book an appointment, shlep on over, wait forever...

It's brilliant.

imafuckingaussie · 05-03-2005, 07:19 AM

This looks awesome Dombuyer, very nice of you to treat the peops with this information! Going to keep me busy when I go into the loft office in the morning :-)

pornprotege · 05-03-2005, 10:31 AM

Awesome post Dombuyer, I was bored so I sent out about 200 emails yesterday, one of the guys I offered 500$ for a domain replied saying he has had offers as high as $100,000 lmao.... Oh well, I will continue to look around when I'm sick of my current work, and hopefully make me and some of you domain resellers some good cash !

Gator · 05-03-2005, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeK

Brisk: For PPCs, there are several to go with:

1. DomainSponsor -- good for general traffic

2. Fabulous -- good for casinos and adult

3. Others that are "invite only", e.g. Hitfarm, where you need higher traffic to get in (email for info if you're big)

4. Others like Sedo.com, Afternic.com, DomainHop.com, Moniker, NameWinner, Goldkey.com and others are starting to do it too (a sign the industry is getting saturated).

A lot of people recommend Domain Sponsor, but my question is how much money is being lost because their pages take time to load?

pradaboy · 05-03-2005, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

I've decided to invoke Bill Gates' wacky idea of charging .25 for each incoming email.

A reply is $20 paypal.

I'd pay a buck to send you an e-mail... but the first reply should be a freebie

pood · 05-03-2005, 11:57 AM

i found a domain thats comes up with over 5k+ overture searches...should i buy it ?

it hasnt been registered yet

cyber_ninja · 05-03-2005, 12:14 PM

i guess im on DomBuyers ignore list,lol

Taboo · 05-03-2005, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator

A lot of people recommend Domain Sponsor, but my question is how much money is being lost because their pages take time to load?

I turned initial pop-ups off (way to long to load) for my landing pages and my revenue went up.

but recently DS has been going down frequently and mis-reporting... they do try to make-it up by crediting your acct but...

anyway there are a few features I'd like to see implemented... and if I don't find anyone offering them, I'll find a way to do it myself...over time.

pornprotege · 05-03-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pood

i found a domain thats comes up with over 5k+ overture searches...should i buy it ?

it hasnt been registered yet

are you sure it isnt registered it ? are you sure it has 5k + for the "_____.com" ???

Hal · 05-03-2005, 02:07 PM

Dombuyer,
I just bought a typo of a popular tourist destination with 500 type ins a month.

Which would be the best ppc sponsor to use?

Best Regards,

Hans

polish_aristocrat · 05-03-2005, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornprotege

are you sure it isnt registered it ? are you sure it has 5k + for the "_____.com" ???

he must be confused how the tool works

actually it's so simple but so many people cant understand it...

...although DomBuyer really seems to have a big desire to create more competition for himself

pradaboy · 05-03-2005, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

he must be confused how the tool works

actually it's so simple but so many people cant understand it...

...although DomBuyer really seems to have a big desire to create more competition for himself

amazing how people can still fuck up using such a simple tool. Makes you wonder how they ever found the interweb

vvq · 05-03-2005, 03:33 PM

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/suggestion/ is a pretty useful tool as well.

DomBuyer · 05-03-2005, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyber_ninja

i guess im on DomBuyers ignore list,lol

Dude, I have a life. In fact, I have a pretty busy day job buying domains and critiquing glossy porn

I go out I have like 300 emails/icq's. I tried to respond to everyone, but now I'm having to get brutal. Hope you understand.

pornprotege · 05-03-2005, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Dude, I have a life. In fact, I have a pretty busy day job buying domains and critiquing glossy porn

I go out I have like 300 emails/icq's. I tried to respond to everyone, but now I'm having to get brutal. Hope you understand.

Im waiting patiently for your sudden burst in ICQ and email traffic to die down so I can contact you. Hopefully the people who are spending 1-2 days trying to make an easy fortune from this guide will give up when they realise it aint as easy or fun and requires a certain amount of skill and charecter.

Give it a couple days and then when your not soo flooded by people trying to make an easy buck, I would like to talk to you oh great one

cyber_ninja · 05-03-2005, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Dude, I have a life. In fact, I have a pretty busy day job buying domains and critiquing glossy porn

I go out I have like 300 emails/icq's. I tried to respond to everyone, but now I'm having to get brutal. Hope you understand.

i was refering to your not answering my question in this thread,and i actualy did think i was on your ignore list.i wasnt trying to be a smart ass

slavdogg · 05-03-2005, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornprotege

Awesome post Dombuyer, I was bored so I sent out about 200 emails yesterday, one of the guys I offered 500$ for a domain replied saying he has had offers as high as $100,000 lmao.... Oh well, I will continue to look around when I'm sick of my current work, and hopefully make me and some of you domain resellers some good cash !

send me the lead on the 100k domain and we'll pay 10% if we get the domain. Same lead fee will be paid for any other big domain leads

[email protected]

DomBuyer · 05-04-2005, 08:33 AM

ANNOUNCEMENT (cue the out of tune marching band):

I simply cannot answer any more inquiries. From here on in unless I reply to you, consider the domain doctor out for a lengthy lunch and unavailable.

If you are trying to sell me a name or get me to commit to an option, EMAIL me the name, stats and price if applicable. I won't answer any more icq inquiries unless I feel like it.

I'll help out where I can, but for now, I can't get my day job done so everybody fuck off.

Cirrus · 05-04-2005, 09:07 AM

good post, thanks

pradaboy · 05-04-2005, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

ANNOUNCEMENT (cue the out of tune marching band):

I simply cannot answer any more inquiries. From here on in unless I reply to you, consider the domain doctor out for a lengthy lunch and unavailable.

If you are trying to sell me a name or get me to commit to an option, EMAIL me the name, stats and price if applicable. I won't answer any more icq inquiries unless I feel like it.

I'll help out where I can, but for now, I can't get my day job done so everybody fuck off.

I can totally understand that, I e-mailed you two or three days ago... will you only respond to the e-mails that interest you or will you reply to any e-mail regardless?

I know you probably have hundreds piled up so I'm not being the impatient bastard here, just wanna know whether I should expect an answer nonetheless (be it in two years

)

polish_aristocrat · 05-04-2005, 09:11 AM

I wonder what are all the people emailing DB about...

shuki · 05-04-2005, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gator

A lot of people recommend Domain Sponsor, but my question is how much money is being lost because their pages take time to load?

In DS 3.0 they claim to have fixed or helped the loading of pages problem. We will see

Good tip from Taboo about turning off the pops

DomBuyer · 05-04-2005, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pradaboy

I can totally understand that, I e-mailed you two or three days ago... will you only respond to the e-mails that interest you or will you reply to any e-mail regardless?

I know you probably have hundreds piled up so I'm not being the impatient bastard here, just wanna know whether I should expect an answer nonetheless (be it in two years

)

email replied

pradaboy · 05-04-2005, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

email replied

thanks just got it

KRL · 05-04-2005, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

ANNOUNCEMENT (cue the out of tune marching band):

I simply cannot answer any more inquiries. From here on in unless I reply to you, consider the domain doctor out for a lengthy lunch and unavailable.

If you are trying to sell me a name or get me to commit to an option, EMAIL me the name, stats and price if applicable. I won't answer any more icq inquiries unless I feel like it.

I'll help out where I can, but for now, I can't get my day job done so everybody fuck off.

Best Post of The Month Nominee!

sextoyking · 05-04-2005, 09:22 AM

DB,

do you think new.net 's .xxx domains are worthless? I would think with the backing they have that if icann approved .xxx mabey they would get a first shot in the door, mabey not. Bought a few 2-3 yrs back or so..

Taboo · 05-04-2005, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

ANNOUNCEMENT (cue the out of tune marching band):

I simply cannot answer any more inquiries. From here on in unless I reply to you, consider the domain doctor out for a lengthy lunch and unavailable.

If you are trying to sell me a name or get me to commit to an option, EMAIL me the name, stats and price if applicable. I won't answer any more icq inquiries unless I feel like it.

I'll help out where I can, but for now, I can't get my day job done so everybody fuck off.

I wondered how long it would take you to reach the boiling point! Now you know how it feels to get blasted on the forums and flooded via email/im...

I met lots of great people, but if I replied to everyone, I wouldn't have had any time to work.

LOL.

Taboo · 05-04-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuki

In DS 3.0 they claim to have fixed or helped the loading of pages problem. We will see

Good tip from Taboo about turning off the pops

also, my pages got optimized faster/better after I turned off the pops... because people stayed around to click/search. after they've been optimized and if DSv3 is truly better/faster, then maybe I'll turn back the pops.

slapass · 05-04-2005, 01:35 PM

Willing to sign up under someone on fabulous or domain sponsors as I now have some traffic for them. Been buying with both hands. Big quesion is that number of $40/k good on adult for fabulous.com? Just trying to see where to throw it as it is mostly adult related.

shuki · 05-04-2005, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taboo

also, my pages got optimized faster/better after I turned off the pops... because people stayed around to click/search. after they've been optimized and if DSv3 is truly better/faster, then maybe I'll turn back the pops.

Taboo,

I am going to remove the pops and see what happens. The revenue isn't great on the pops so I would rather have a faster loading page that is better opt.

Thanks for the tip

pradaboy · 05-04-2005, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass

Willing to sign up under someone on fabulous or domain sponsors as I now have some traffic for them. Been buying with both hands. Big quesion is that number of $40/k good on adult for fabulous.com? Just trying to see where to throw it as it is mostly adult related.

DomainSponsor Ref

I'll leave the Fab ref for someone else

NTSS · 05-04-2005, 04:10 PM

The best reading ever....I nominate this tutoral for a Nobel Prize!

polish_aristocrat · 05-04-2005, 06:56 PM

DB, how do you value mainstream type in domains?

Do you think they also sell for f.e 2 years income, or are they more valuable than adult ones?

I assume you value them also when it comes to re-sell possibility to some companies, while the adult ones you base their value only on how much they will earn to you in a certain period of time?

slapass · 05-04-2005, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

DB, how do you value mainstream type in domains?

Do you think they also sell for f.e 2 years income, or are they more valuable than adult ones?

I assume you value them also when it comes to re-sell possibility to some companies, while the adult ones you base their value only on how much they will earn to you in a certain period of time?

Just a heads up but one he complains about missing in this thread went for 5 years income. cityhall.com

Steen2 · 05-04-2005, 08:12 PM

Domain sponsor is starting DS 3.0 with some great advances including less wait time.
If anyone would like to sign up, you are free to use my ref

http://www.domainsponsor.com/tracker...ref_id=589&s=0

05-02-2005, 10:15 PM	#202
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	I love this thread! If you guys have any domain names (or websites) you wanted to sell, please feel free to list them on my new site Nicdo. __________________ Search Engine Optimization Services for Adult Sites

05-02-2005, 10:42 PM	#203
Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	Oh how I love it when people are invited to join a small, already crowded industry. Having said that; creamers.com to anyone interested. __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945

05-02-2005, 11:14 PM	#205
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05-03-2005, 12:52 AM	#208
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	My ICQ is off too. This is nutz. Send your incredible domains for sale to DB please. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

05-03-2005, 01:03 AM	#209
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	I think this post will have had many people thinking "How can I get involved" I also think those with a quicker brain will have worked out a few variables and will be working hard at this moment... One of the best threads on gfy for me. __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

05-03-2005, 12:25 AM	#207
Taboo Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: I'd rather be networking than not working. Posts: 3,700	just to repeat what DB said earlier... if you're going to buy or reg domains to sell/invest/etc don't go after trademarks, don't cybersquat, don't register in bad faith, etc... need a possible example? want some domain drama? recently SOLD @ AFTERNIC: nationalnet.com 5,000.00 guess who bought it... https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/462842-wtf-nationalnet-sold.html learn from their mistake.

05-03-2005, 02:30 AM	#210
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	This is not my game but the post is top notch info. Maybe one of the best I have read on GFY.

05-03-2005, 05:28 AM	#212
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	Someone asked about mydomains: names with "my" on the front. A dead trend from a few years ago, but "my" domains still sell, sometimes for more than a few grand. The same goes for "i" or "e" domains: trend relics, but sometimes companies pay for them. But I wouldn't touch 'em at all.

05-03-2005, 07:19 AM	#217
imafuckingaussie Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the fucking outback Posts: 1,497	This looks awesome Dombuyer, very nice of you to treat the peops with this information! Going to keep me busy when I go into the loft office in the morning :-) __________________ You can get it ploughing a paddock, you can get it makin some porn sites, matter of fact I've got it now. For a hard earned thrist, you need a big cold beer.

05-03-2005, 10:31 AM	#218
pornprotege Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,705	Awesome post Dombuyer, I was bored so I sent out about 200 emails yesterday, one of the guys I offered 500$ for a domain replied saying he has had offers as high as $100,000 lmao.... Oh well, I will continue to look around when I'm sick of my current work, and hopefully make me and some of you domain resellers some good cash ! __________________ i don't have a sig.

05-03-2005, 11:57 AM	#221
pood Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,609	i found a domain thats comes up with over 5k+ overture searches...should i buy it ? it hasnt been registered yet

05-03-2005, 12:14 PM	#222
cyber_ninja Twerk That Ass Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lincoln, California Posts: 2,197	i guess im on DomBuyers ignore list,lol

05-03-2005, 02:07 PM	#225
Hal Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 768	Dombuyer, I just bought a typo of a popular tourist destination with 500 type ins a month. Which would be the best ppc sponsor to use? Best Regards, Hans

05-03-2005, 03:33 PM	#228
vvq Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TrafficGigolos.com Posts: 2,732	http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/suggestion/ is a pretty useful tool as well. __________________ SQUIRTING - LESBIAN SPANKING - TITTY FUCKING - WET PANTIES - MORE We offer free hosting, your own designer (works for free), and unsaturated content for gallery and free site submitters. Just contact me! E-mail: [email protected]

05-04-2005, 08:33 AM	#233
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	ANNOUNCEMENT (cue the out of tune marching band): I simply cannot answer any more inquiries. From here on in unless I reply to you, consider the domain doctor out for a lengthy lunch and unavailable. If you are trying to sell me a name or get me to commit to an option, EMAIL me the name, stats and price if applicable. I won't answer any more icq inquiries unless I feel like it. I'll help out where I can, but for now, I can't get my day job done so everybody fuck off.

05-04-2005, 09:07 AM	#234
Cirrus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: www.Reyko.com Posts: 1,145	good post, thanks __________________ Reyko.com - exclusive glamour production icq:35570298

05-04-2005, 09:11 AM	#236
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I wonder what are all the people emailing DB about... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

05-04-2005, 09:22 AM	#241
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	DB, do you think new.net 's .xxx domains are worthless? I would think with the backing they have that if icann approved .xxx mabey they would get a first shot in the door, mabey not. Bought a few 2-3 yrs back or so.. __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

05-04-2005, 01:35 PM	#244
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Willing to sign up under someone on fabulous or domain sponsors as I now have some traffic for them. Been buying with both hands. Big quesion is that number of $40/k good on adult for fabulous.com? Just trying to see where to throw it as it is mostly adult related.

05-04-2005, 04:10 PM	#247
NTSS Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Da Hood Posts: 5,688	The best reading ever....I nominate this tutoral for a Nobel Prize! __________________ ICQ: 150-803-430 Email: marketing7(at)cox(dot)net

05-04-2005, 06:56 PM	#248
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	DB, how do you value mainstream type in domains? Do you think they also sell for f.e 2 years income, or are they more valuable than adult ones? I assume you value them also when it comes to re-sell possibility to some companies, while the adult ones you base their value only on how much they will earn to you in a certain period of time? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

05-04-2005, 08:12 PM	#250
Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	Domain sponsor is starting DS 3.0 with some great advances including less wait time. If anyone would like to sign up, you are free to use my ref http://www.domainsponsor.com/tracker...ref_id=589&s=0 __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945