I smell shit all over this thread...

they just don't want to pay.. :helpme shit- yes...

the plot thickens

it's already been made clear that this was not spam traffic

This thread is gonna be longer then i thought :1orglaugh

wow
i can see both sides here
I can see where iwantu's pay scale back fired on them offer 1$ per click lol
I think - honestly pay him the money and take it as a leason learned and pay iwantchixxx the ref

It would appear so.

Just curious what your out of pocket cost was for this traffic?

I hate to say this but even if your signup was legit you will never see the money. They had a flaw in there system and your gonna pay for it. But let this be a lssson to sponsors in the future.

Good luck to you man :thumbsup

I like to post as i go so sometimes i look like an idiot :thumbsup

finally making it to the last page :)

Damn, Iwantu just got a little richer.. Nice bonus...

oh I forgot about iwantchixxx so thats waht $38k gone now ?

it's all good...95 times out of 100 it is a spammer bitching...you just happened to come in on a rare occurrence...lol

$35,000 for a $50 signup :thumbsup :1orglaugh

that's $26 million a year. I doubt if many of the big program turn that over a year.

The guy has gone from the list now so it was not 100% kosher.

Look at the top guy now, at $30 each he's sending 10 sign ups a day and 100 is sending 3/4 a month. Big drop over 100.

+ ~100 new free sign ups

not 35k... now it's $0.72

wow! talk about a shift in value

this thread deserves to be on top

Whohaaa! This thread is getting loner for sure.

I wantu told us to mail. They said "keep sending traffic". We checked with them many many times to be sure everything was good. They kept saying all was well and to keep sending to their sites.

Guess what happened on payday?

interesting .. .well after reading this thread i just went back and looked at my stats and they owe me $346 from there mail promo. I guess i should of not flamed them in this thread. :(

so maybe he put the link up 10 mins before the end of the week, got a sale.. out of luck... then qualified... i can send 10k hits in less then a week from my site, without doing anything, get maybe 5 sales... and i wouldn't get my money, because the surfers didnt like the product? maybe your program just blows and they would rather go with sexsearch.com or adultfriendfinder.com ? i dont know how many times i sent a few k to sexsearch.com and got 100 accounts, but no signups and over a period of a month, had a few signups from those accounts...

its threads like this that give me reasons not to use ppc because they act all legit, but fuck you over in the end, because they are no better then spammers who exploit them.


/me will never think about using IWantU.com because of this thread...


Russian guy who got screwed, i feel for ya man, and i hope you get your justice

the plot thickens.......

Lex,

My apologies for not clarifying myself properly earlier, your account has not been blocked for spam. However, your payment has been reset to the minimum amount for 'potential fraudulent transaction'.

Last week, you referred one signup from one click, which is very odd, but yet, possible. This exact signup that you referred last week, turned out into a chargeback this week! Thus, this transaction has been flagged as fraudulent.

In consequence, your payout has been lowered this week for the minimum payout, instead of $1 per click, as you would have got. Your account is NOT blocked!

To answer some other concerns, we understand that Pay per Click program may not be the best program out there, however, we clearly specify in our terms:

Affiliates sending several hits from the same IP will immediately be cancelled and their payment blocked. We keep track of all IP addresses and log them for several months to prevent non-qualified repeated visitors.
Payments are issued every thursday of the week

If you have a low ratio, We will never switch you to another program, instead you will receive the minimum payout offered. We reserve ourselves the right to reset your payment to the minimum payout if we beleive you are intentionally frauding the weekly ratio structure.

Other programs we offer such as: Rev Share, Pay Per Signup, Pay per Profile do not have RATIO conditions.

Lex, for any further comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact me by ICQ!

Please contact your account manager! Maybe you put the wrong payment information.

Tony,

We notify our affiliates 3 times before blocking them for spamming!
However, i do see your account in the blocked list. Are you sure your account is blocked for spamming? Please hit me by ICQ and I will look it up.

No payment info was correct i all ready recived the check just for the wrong amount. While you are here what days was the no ratios pay per email promo going on?

Please contact your account manager if you beleive you got the wrong amount, or ICQ me and i will look up your account.

If you are referring to our $2.50 promo, it went on untill Feb 21st. We are now paying $0.50 per profile.

He was not spamming. He only sent a transaction that end up being a chargeback (We define chargebacks are fraud transactions and flag them into our negative database).

I personally thought that he was blocked by our affiliate manager for spamming, but in fact, he was not blocked, only minimum amount reset.

The Pay per click program works on a one week base. You get paid Today based on last's week ratio. We did not totally flush him, we only reset his payout for this week, based on the correct ratio for last week. His ratio was last week end up being wrong, because the only signup he had resulted into a chargeback.

Hit me by ICQ if you have any further comments or questions.

I'm curious how many of those saying 'pay the man' would do so if they were running the program. Nevermind, I bet I know the answer... :pimp

That said the whole idea behind it seems flawed but then just about every PPC sponsor developed a rep for doing the same else they wouldn't have stayed in business. The reason I've never used PPC and have little sympathy for those that do whoever the company is. Nobody will pay you more than your traffic's worth. It's also the reason very few companies will pay on a PPC basis these days.

150 non-converting clicks.

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It is a suss situation, but none the less he was following the TOS and IWantU.com should have changed their TOS after paying him as it was their rules that caused the problem.
Doesn't leave people with a good feeling about IWantU...

Let me get this straight...some webmaster gets the clever idea to sent 1 click and 1 signup to Iwantu last period, which sets his payout for this period to $1.00 per click.

Then he goes and buys some traffic at $5 per k. So for every $5 worth of crap traffic he sends, he expects Iwantu to pay him $1,000? I'm surprised this is the first guy to try this. I'm not surprised that they aren't going to pay him. Per click programs (such as Lensmans) have termed people for much less.

did he send any profiles out of the 36k clicks?

i agree.... i think you should pay the russian guy and then change your conditions... what it looks like.. and correct me if i'm wrong.... you guys made this deal.. and after this guy made this much money, you guys don't want to pay.... russian guy is not at fault for your offer.... :2 cents:

sounds like iwantu dont like paying money to affiliates to me....

read the thread nobcheese

Wow this was a long thread to read at 3am....

Now without looking at the guy's account, let me just summarize things into how I see it, based on the info in this thread:

1) Guy finds loophole in payout scale/system

2) Guy signs up himself, or has his friend signup, to exploit this loophole (this is just the likely situation, but may not be fact if I check things out...)

3) Signup is charged back in short period of time.

Now to me, that would make his ratio for the first week be 0:1, which qualifies him for the lowest payout on the scale.

Note: This situation has made us realize we should implement further rules to prevent the possibility it happens in very legit situations. For example, someone may send his quality traffic to us for one week, convert great, and get a good payout set for next week. Then buy all the junk traffic he can find, to send our way at a high price per click. This will be taken care of ASAP so things will work more on a daily basis and prevent chances of this occurring.

However, from everything I can understand here and without speaking with Michael today about it, if that 1 signup charged back (not to mention so quickly - usually chargebacks come 1-2 months later), he has 0:1 ratio.

committing a fraudulent sign up to get access to a ppc program then flooding it with worthless traffic seems to be a nice scam. if what has been said in this thread by iwantu is true, then the russian guy IS at fault and his account should be termed. someone needs to look into the chargeback and see what the reason for it was. if it was a stolen number used for this sale, we all know who did it.