He admitted ???

Too fucking funny... the guy blasted the Liberals.. If you cant see that this guy has a vendetta against the libreal party... you are clearly blind.. :2 cents: The guy even admitted that he was no longer a liberal... and most probably now is a separatist... I mean.. hiring Guy Bertrand, a passionate seperatist as his lawyer wasnt too subtle... :1orglaugh

Guy bertrand is a federalist :winkwink:

Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.


You had the first referendum, and after the NO side won the separatists cryed foul. So after several years of crying and whining a 2nd referendum was held, all the so-called "holes" in the first one were changed and still the NO side held sway, albeit by a narrow margin.

You twits will cry foul every time you lose, even if a thousand referendums are held.

Truthfully, if every person with ties to Quebec such as family history etc were to be allowed to vote, that would mean I would qualify. That's the way it should be, not just only French people or only people living in Quebec. Everyone with any connection should be allowed to vote in a referendum, and if it were done that way only then would I accept a new (3rd) and FINAL rerendum.

End of story.

I think he changes his political convictions every 3 months.

This is quite possibly the first thing in this thread you've said that I agree with :D

lol.. start reading the papers again.. that screwball has made a comeback as a born-again seperatist... :1orglaugh

I know this will be fodder for some, but is the an English version of this? My french reading Comprehension is not what it used to be. I am missing too much reading the french version.

Harper is a Pro-US kiss ass Bush dick sucker. If he gets in office he will bend over backwards and let the US ram us in the ass. Fuck that.

Whining and crying?

Stop acting like you know what you are talking about.

After the failure of the Meech Lake Accord, Robert Bourassa (THE LIBERAL) decided to start a commision called "Belanger-Campeau" to examine the political and constitutional status of Quebec and to make recommendations for changes.

What were the recommendations!?

Do another referendum about sovereignty-association. SURPRISE!

A new referendum was supposed to be held by the Liberals in 1992. But as we all know, Bourassa gave another useless chance to Canada with Charlottetown.

Yes.

Incessant whining and crying, complaining, bitching, moaning and never-shutting-upping.

Want me to translate it into French?

:1orglaugh Sure, ignore my comments about your last post. It's easier that way. It really shows that you don't know shit about the political events that led to the second referendum.

Thanks. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Just to show what he knows about .....

And talking unions...

The boss of Canadair, Beaudoin, instructed his workers to vote lioberal, otherwise he would move the plants to Ontario ...

So if I follow XXX-Design thinking, nobody that is separatist can express themselves... They go home and sing in the shower.



Bertrand a separatist ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh That made my day :thumbsup

I'm with Brad on this one. As much as I like the US I would prefer to preserve our health care system and see it improved rather than privatized for one thing.

American plans and proposals do not always have Canada's best interest at heart (understatement in some cases) yet Harper's and the PC's political statements have often shown in the past that they would have jumped on several bandwagons taking Canada in a much different direction, as in South. If the Canadian gov't isn't looking out for Canada then who is?

That's why I say if the Libs are outsted, who or what is Canada's alternative? The NDP? ha ha, yeah that'll happen.

lol.. even ADQ chief Mario Dumont is saying "Please" to that.... Neutral Dumont, unlike the separatist, sees changes and potential in the federation.. An open window for decentralization.. and separating now is clearly not the smart way to go about it... Take off you blue glasses :2 cents:

What an idiot you are ... Ask the Americans to vote also... oh and maybe the french ...

Your comments were repetition of shit that has been previously addressed in other threads, even addressed in political articles from years back I'm sure. It is more parroting nonsense.

Like I said, saying something over and over won't magically turn it into the truth.

Dear dipshit: My comments have nothing to do with Americans. You took it upon your peanut sized brain to infer that yourself. Like a twit. As usual.

Bubbye.

I'll tell you the same thing as said to Trawn.. Try to keep up with the news... :2 cents: (a recurring problem for most separatists :winkwink: )


As for Beaudoin... Did you hear me say that was OK ?? Fuck no its not ok.. Shame on Beaudoin..

You are also weak ....

i just can't stand the bitching and constant whining, if you do not like it here go back to France, get on the boat and hopefully it sinks.

the west is now the movement stop whining.

My comments were not from political articles or editorials. They are political facts about what happened in the early 1990's. And the EVIL SEPERATISTS were not in Power. It was Robert Bourassa and the Liberals.

But you are clearly clueless about those facts. :1orglaugh

I should've known that I was arguing with a clueless english canadian pretending to know the political events in Quebec. :winkwink:

How about a link... I see nothing that shows Bertrand as a separatist ... It shouldn't be hard for you...

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=fr&q=...cr%3DcountryCA

All that and you still want to seperate? Go nuts, seeya later. Don't come crying when your new little country drops like a lead balloon :P If you want it so damn bad, what's stopping you? THis is the same thing I've said to seperatists all along. How can someone be a Canadian and contribute to canadian society when all they do is bitch about how much they want to be "seperate" and have "seperate identities". If ANYONE deserves their own country, it's the Native Americans who were here even BEFORE the french.

Like really, just fucking do it already.

So when Mario Dumont, Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau signed the agreement on June 12, 1995 about the referendum, you are saying that Mario Dumont didn't really want to sign? :1orglaugh

Please.

uh... did you even follow the last provincial election? Dumont distanced himself from the sovereigntist movement and said he was ready to see if federalism could work.. talking about decentralisation... something other provinces are also interested in..

In your last message you quoted my "Belanger-Campeau" comments, so I responded about it and Dumont.

And about his new "Autonomist" vision crap, sure.. The Federal is going to give all new powers back to Quebec just for the fun of it.. Just because It's Mario Dumont and because he's an "Autonomist". :1orglaugh

Dumont is fucking federalist agent
they created the ADQ to divide the french canadian votes so the PQ has less votes

Come try me anytime friend.

http://www.bloc.org/archivage/propos...ipale_05v2.pdf

My french comprehension is pretty poor I'll admit, but this is just political propanganda as far as I can tell. It's like reading a marketing brochure.... Perhaps I need an english version (and I can't translate this via babelfish, silly pdf). But really, there is very little in terms of hard numbers in here. How can you make a decision as big as seperating and forming your own country without solid concrete fiscal proof that it will work? If it doesn't work, whats gonna happen?

I am also curious about the anglophone people in Quebec. What is the plan for them? I've not seen it addressed ever.

Ok, but you are locked into it. Right after you sign the release. I'll blow you. Then we will film your being fucked in the ass. Do a good job and maybe you will get oral again

150..........

Wait, weren't you just saying that if Quebec separated, companies wouldn't want to spend the expense to move their companies?? I don't know what side you're on :)

If it wasn't you, it was NoCarrier or Skillful - the two big pro-separatists...

Eitherway, it sure looks like a sign of big changes and poverty that would happen once Quebec separates.. All the companies would move out, as we've been saying..

What really pisses me off, is Separatists believe that even with 51% of the vote, they can cause THIS much economic turmoil on everybody else, and shake things up..... We know for sure that it would be a HUGE expense..

The only way I see it, is if there's a STRONG desire THROUGHOUT the province..EG: 80%... When it's a narrow margin, you should stay with the status quo

Hey guy,
A little known fact about Harper. HE CAN VOTE IN THE UNITED STATES! And I don't mean it metephorically. Literally he can vote.

Does anyone want someone that closely tied to the US political system running the country?

No, I don't like Harper.

:( :( :(

he's also a bilderberger
look at the 4th pic
http://www.global-elite.org/modules....view_album.php

No, not me ... But read what I said: Beaudoin threatened to move his plant ... Now, would he have done it... No. unless the federal gov would have showered him with more subvention that he gets now ...

Site note: My ex father-in-law, jewish, always said he would move out the next morning.... He is still here, his business has prospered and expanded ... His friends, that went to Toronto, half of them are back ....

read above. And don't forget why companies exists : for profit. They will stay in Quebec as long as they can make a buck, in or out of Canada.

We are governed now in Canada by a party that has less than 40% of the votes .... Provincial, municipal and so on ...
So , as an example, Bush in the US should not be president ??/ I think he brought a big turmoil no ???


Why 80%, why not 85% , or 32 % ... International laws exists on this matter. Consult them.

50% plus one ...

once again all you Quebecers stop whining, the WEST is now the movement, dont cry in 10 years when we stop giving you all our tax money.

Quebec will be so fucked it will not even be funny.

Precisely, and if Quebec is in turmoil, they'll move to where they can make more profit... Or, if turmoil LOOKS likely..
EG: Bank of Montreal uprooting it's head office and moving to Toronto at the possible signs of stress...

That's not quite the same amount of turmoil...
As for being governed by a party with less than 40%, this party doesn't cause major change..
In fact, life wouldn't be too much different if Conservatives were in power... We all know that...

Now, separating, that's a HUGE change that affects many, many, many lives directly....

I'm torn.. On one hand, I'd love Quebec to be out of Canada.. it means more money for the rest of us..
(Refer to my above stats of Quebec being 24% of Canada's, population, but only 21% of Canada's GDP)

On the otherhand, I know that it would cause a drastic change in the standard of living for the currently 51% of the population who do NOT want to separate...


Why 80%, why not 85% , or 32 % ... International laws exists on this matter. Consult them.

50% plus one ...[/QUOTE]

Separatists are hilarious. It's not that I don't respect your cause, I'm not the biggest fan of the Federal government and everyone's welcome to their own beliefs... it's that you're unbelievably unrealistic.

If you guys are serious, you'd better start building an army ASAP. Otherwise, you're not going to have much luck. Chretien was ready to send in the troops, I'm sure Martin would do the same. No Prime Minister is going to be the one to loose 1/8th of our territory because a couple million people want their own country. You're going to have to fight for it, because right now Quebec is a part of Canada whether you like it or not.