Call me a fool, but I hope Harper is the next prime minister and that the conservatives actually want to give something similar to Quebec like the Meech Accord. If that's the case, I would give my full support to this idea.

LOL ... Back to the:

" You are either with US or With the terrorists ..."


English Canada should join the USA ( count on Harper to try to do so )...

By the way, I can be pro separation and not be " anti-Canadian" .... just " pro-Canadian without the Quebec in it"...

Probably very hard to figure....

Hummmm I like the color Yellow, so I am an anti-blue color ....

CDSmith, you are just a political racist: simply put for you ...

Still don't know why you want to keep Quebec IN Canada ....

No offense NoCarrier, but I hope that the doofus Harper is never wins any election.

I didn't see it that way.. I guess you are right.

And what if there is a "next referendum" and your side were to lose again. What then?

Let me answer that for you. You will grumble about it for a few years, regroup for a few more years, then start plotting and laying the groundwork for a FOURTH referendum in or around the 8 to 10 year mark.

Tell me, if you win, does Canada get to have another chance at a referendum 8 or 10 years after that? :D

There will be another one, and it will win. There is no "if" and "what". The "Charest" Liberals in Quebec are doomed and the PQ will win the next election (Maybe with the ADQ as opposition).

Fiesta boy, I can honestly say I wouldn't hire you to crack peanuts for me.

Political racist? How quaint, what a cute little made up buzzword you have there. It makes no sense whatsoever, like your whole point of view, so it fits you.

And, you don't know why I won't agree with the separatists because you lack the ability to comprehend my posts for some reason. I have stated my reasons for my point of view in several of my posts on these threads today, yet here you are still scratching your empty little separatist head and wondering things.

Keep on wondering then. If you guys think your bullshit isn't going to cause damage to this country you're hugely mistaken.

So basically, if we want to be a sovereign nation and keep the same currency, you are going to say no ? Then we will have to sell all our canadian dollars. Good luck with what's left of the canadian currency value. :thumbsup

And.....? I asked you a fucking question, what are you, as ADD-affected as Fiesta? Fuck.

If you win this mythical next referendum, does Canada get to cry for years until yet another referendum is granted? If not, why is it only your side that gets to have 2, 3 or 4 referendums?

Do you not see how one might compare separatists in Quebec to small children?

You should learn to shut your big mouth ....

The answer is Yes ...

Don't believe it ??? Think about the de-merging of Montreal ....

If people are not happy in 10 years AND Canada wants to have Quebec back in a confederation ( which we are not part of now ), so it will be. Just like election....

Why don't we have just a last election and that's it: no more for ever.... NPD, you lost, Stop whining, BlocQuebecois, you lost, stop whining, Kiberals, you lost, stop whining ....

Nice system, CDSmith :321GFY

No problem, I don't work for peanuts, even for 50 peanuts :321GFY

51...

I said this would be a long thread :)

Pretty sure the rest of the country would be just fine.. Take a look at Alberta, they just reported yet ANOTHER surplus to the tune of 4.3 billion dollars this year.. Guess what, the federal government already absconded quite a bit of that to go to.. you guessed it... Quebec. I think you need to think again if you think the REST of the country would be in more trouble than Quebec if seperation took place.

"Bertha, I'm leaving you forever. I need my own space and I'm never coming back. But I hope you don't mind if I still come back for three meals a day and use your bank card.". Sounds really fair.

So basically you are saying that democracy is a joke? When people vote for the PQ, they KNOW IT'S A FUCKING PARTY THAT WANTS SOVEREIGNTY. If they don't want referendums, they should vote for a different party.

Now you are saying they are dumbasses. :1orglaugh

Fiestboy, only you, a true creme de la idiot, could compare a political election with a cesession. Are your parents brother and sister?

Yes sweetheart, I know I left you, but I need you and you need me. Even though I was the one who wanted to leave in the first place, and called you every name in the book and blamed everything on you, you should just take me back and pay my bills and be happy for it.

Realism. Look it up.

You didn't understand my post.

Imagine this :

Everyone in Quebec sells their CANADIAN DOLLARS.

Do you know what happens when millions of people sell their currency?

Now, we are in the "hypothetical" theory where the federal is stupid enough to say no if Quebec wants to keep the same currency.

There's more than enough Japanese in Banff to make up for it :P

:1orglaugh If you are that *confident* sure, go ahead, say no :winkwink:

Unfortunately, 'selling all your canadian dollars' wouldn't make a penny difference..
Wanna know why??? Cause all the currency is kept in the banks...
MAYBE if you started stockpiling cash in your basement..
you and every other separatist..
You MIGHT be able to make a little ripple in the Canadian economy...
but... seriously.. what a silly idea :)
hahahah

To my understanding, Canada did not agree to hold those referendums in order to just have another and another. The two we've already had were held in order to settle the issue. Having a federal election every 4 years is normal. Having new referendums isn't normal. When in Canadian history have we EVER had a referendum before the first one? Never.

As far as I'm concerned the issue is settled. You guys may continue crying foul about how it was done, but many Francophones also say it was done fairly and settled. Done, finito, over and out.

I say there won't be another referendum. You might push for it, but the other 30 million people in Canada who AREN'T god damned separatists (including the several million in Quebec itself) will certainly push back.

We need not continue this discussion. I know I have made my viewpoint clear, and your group seems to be into repeating yourselves ad nauseum now. There is nothing new in your argument that hasn't been said over and over in the past 4 decades.

You are right : demerger didn't happen in Montreal ..... It was merged, so that's it, seized forever in time ....

BTW, Quebec and Ontario paid thru their nose to subsidize fucking Alberta and Manitoba grain in the 50"s... We subsidize the transport by CN to Vancouver, to then sell it under cost to China and Russia. Without those subsidies, Alberta would have been empty and deserted...

Today they have the oil, but it wasn't always like that.

Oh my god....
You seriously didn't take any economics courses in school, did you? :)
I guess it's possible that you guys COULD cause a run on the banks by all trying to withdraw everything at once... but... then you'd just be shortchanging Quebec :)

Sure.. The quebec government and all the companies in Quebec are broke and don't have any canadian currencies at all. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Note to banks: call DirectFiesta to return the $$$ he has in his pocket .

No, we will buy U.S. dollars instead. It would be hard for the first couple of years, but I'm pretty sure the CDN currency would be in really bad shape. :thumbsup

Again, I am talking about the theory where the Federal is stupid enough to say no when we have negotiations.

You have no idea how many companies would pull up stakes and move out of Quebec if this issue were to flame up really hot again. No idea.

Again, the same lame "scary" scenario. Do you know what's the cost to actually MOVE ELSEWHERE?

We are going to keep the same currency, we will have the same frontiers. Unless the Federal is STUPID enough to say no to our "Association" offers.

Do you seriously think companies who have providers in Quebec right now do because we are part of Canada? They buy from them because it's a good price. They are not going to PAY HIGHER PRICES because they don't agree with the political situation..

- "FUCK!!! THEY ARE A SOVEREIGN NATION NOW.. I don't give a FUCK if I have to lose millions of dollars and buy from another province if I have to..".

Jesus.. You should know how it works.. Did people stop buying from the states because BUSH got re-elected?! :1orglaugh

I've been drinking a shitload of Budweiser tonight but can anyone explain to me what Quebec hopes to gain by separating? Doesn't make sense to me. Back to my Bud. I will check responses in the morning.

:winkwink:

shit... Seperatists on this board? Good lord.. stop embarrassing yourselves! :2 cents:

And for those who denigrate Quebec... check out your location before talking shit... :2 cents:

Who convince you of that? Le parti Quebecois?

Wake the fuck up.. Quebec is a POOR province... We get money from the perequation.. Billions per year... If QUbec seperate.. That money will obviously be gone.. As for the fiscal imbalance.. lol... Every damn provinces are in the same position.. Do they separate for that? Fuck no... they put pressure on the government to get it.. And btw.. that money is spent on the debt... which in the end.. we all benifit from it...

The seperatists movement is baseless... Its a project based on fear, hate and illusions...

Embarrassing..

Do you KNOW who YVES SEGUIN IS?

Oh... He's not an evil separatist.. He was Liberal's Minister of Finance

Enjoy.

http://www.desequilibrefiscal.gouv.qc.ca/index.htm

Also.. Quotes from "Yves Seguin" :

http://www.ledevoir.com/2005/02/22/75430.html

"«Yves met le doigt sur une problématique qui est bien réelle», a indiqué, hier, M. Pelletier au Devoir. Le ministre était appelé à commenter les récentes déclarations de M. Séguin, qui estime que les intérêts du Québec sont gravement menacés à l'heure actuelle en raison du déséquilibre fiscal et de son corollaire, l'empiétement massif par Ottawa sur les compétences provinciales."

I'll that..

THe only thing that keep this option alive is the fact that the media is controled by the seperatists... Every damn artists, singers, comedians, actors are seperatist and take every damn opportunities they have to let people know their position and opinions... ( which means.. TV show they go on.. award shows.. write songs, etc..)... All the unions which represent millions of workers are openly seperatist.. The biggest fucking news show in Quebec is hosted by a well known seperatist (Claude Charron) who's job is basically to give you his partisan opinion each and every fucking night.... TV station TQS is also partisan.. Especially that idiotic woman on the noon show... Most French, History and sociology teachers (Cegep level) will openly tell their students they are seperatists... etc.. etc...

THats the fucking real scandal..!

Without all that.. the sepratist option wouldnt surpass 25% ...

Did I say there wasnt any fiscal imbalance? All the provinces are on the same boat... And all the provinces would like to spend that money on Health Care...

LOL.. reading this, I conclude that Quebec is in majority separatist ...

BTW, you want a scandal ( double one ) : watch the Gomery commission ... That is a scandal because it is OUR money, the tax payers money... Artists and others you name do it with THEIR money .... :2 cents:

Haha... Videotron who owns TVA is own by a known separatist.. Peladeau ... They pay a fucking separtist to host their news show and give his wortless opinion night after night... Is that ethical....? What if a federalist would do that in Quebec? haha you know it would cause a scandal :2 cents:

oh cry me a river.. The Liberal party has been accumulating surplusses after surplusses for nearly 15 years... That sponsorship money is a drop in the ocean compared to they money we have accumulated over the years... How much money you think we will lose with the conservatives?? And btw.. the sponsorship money will be paid back in totallity..

EXACTLY. One of the MAJOR reasons why "FEDERALISM" isn't working. Thank you.

Thomas Schumacker ?????

The Gazette

CJAD

and so on ....

Sure.. you mean like the 45 billions of dollars that disappeared from the "employment insurance" ?

Is that also a drop in the ocean for you?

Also, you are saying that stealing government money is ok for you? Good.. No.. As long as it's not a big amount? :1orglaugh

You know, if you really, really think that's going to happen, you just lost all credibility.