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woj · 04-22-2005, 03:09 AM

100..........

painintheass · 04-22-2005, 04:09 AM

This is what I want out of Quebec seperation

1. New language designation. I don't want to speak french. I don't want to speak english. I want to speak Quebecoise!!! Or quebec-aise if you prefer!

2. Real Maple Syrup made in Quebec that I can purchase for less than anyone else in north america.

3. Get this fucking American Beer crap out of Quebec! I want Boreale at the same price I pay for Wildcat! The only reason I drink Wildcat is because it's fucking cheap!

4. The end of Construction Cards! Do you know how many good men in Quebec look great, can fuck like gods, repair your leaky roof but can't get a job because they don't have a Fucking Construction card!! I mean shit!!! I take it in the ass like Jeanne D'arc ridding into battle. I deserve to have the entire package. Is it too much to ask for a man with a decent job?

5. During La fête de la Saint-Jean Baptiste... I want to get drunk, smash beer bottles, get into a fight with some girl for comming on to her boyfriend. Then take off my shirt, dance around a bonfire and wake up in the morning next to some hairy bastard I don't know and have to buy a home pregnancy test that afternoon and schedule a doctor's appoint for an HIV test.

(Oh wait I already have that right.... make no account of this.)

Oh and for the federalists....

If you promise to make #5 into a national holiday for all of Canada. I'll support you instead! Afterall it really is the only important thing listed there. I can live with or without the rest.

L0stMind · 04-22-2005, 09:18 AM

I still dont get it. I've read a few more sites now and all the info points to Quebec failing as a country if they separate...

So why do they want to do it?

I just dont get it.

Thrawn$ · 04-22-2005, 09:23 AM

Hey painintheass
Let me know when you come to montreal
i want you to

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

Hey painintheass
Let me know when you come to montreal
i want you to

HaHaHa ....

tedwinters · 04-22-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by L0stMind

I still dont get it. I've read a few more sites now and all the info points to Quebec failing as a country if they separate...

So why do they want to do it?

I just dont get it.

That's pretty much the way I see it...
My degrees are in Economics..
I studied Internation Trade... My professor specifically went over Quebec Separation....

We couldn't see ANY possible way for them to stay afloat without reparation payments... Even with these payments, debt still increases.
The Quebec economy is bloated, there's a preponderance of Unions, over legislation, and silly laws..(EG: After 5pm on weekends, no retail store is allowed more than 4 workers..So, Walmart and stores like it close at 5pm!!!!)

There's major unemployment, 67% of GDP is from Service industry...
Here's the biggest thing..
Quebec accounts for 24% of Canada's population, yet their GDP accounts for only 21%...

So, regardless of "federal taxes and fiscal imbalance" that ALL provinces deal with, Quebec isn't generating as much Revenue as MOST of the other provinces, and is incurring debt... There's very little work ethic in Quebec, with most employees complaining about having to work overtime, or put in a few extra hours... (EG: dayjob workers leave immediately at 5pm, and take EVERY coffee break they're entitled to)

Holly · 04-22-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

i just got home this is gonna take me some time to weed through here, bare with me.

pussy

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MetaMan · 04-22-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly

pussy

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thsi thread is dam long, can someone summarize, i was up late fucking working, then i get 50 fucking calls in a row, none of them leave msgs and wake me the fuck up, i am going to tear someone a new neck today.

painintheass · 04-22-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

Hey painintheass
Let me know when you come to montreal
i want you to

I'm actually considering making a severe fetish dominatrix content. If you let my girl bang you in the ass with a strap on.... I'll gladly blow you in payment. (Hell.... if I could pay my talent with a blow job I would be the happiest pornographer in the world)

skillfull · 04-22-2005, 10:55 AM

hey guys
YOU CHEATED AT THE FUCKING REFDERENDUM

we should have win

stop telleing stupidity

next time if you try to cheat its gonna be like this

ElvisManson · 04-22-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by skillfull

hey guys
YOU CHEATED AT THE FUCKING REFDERENDUM

we should have win

stop telleing stupidity

next time if you try to cheat its gonna be like this

WE did not cheat.

Or at least I know that I didn't cheat.

If someone from the separatist camp could show me a responsible socio-economic plan for what happens after Quebec becomes a Sovereign Nation I might be a little more open minded about separatism.

painintheass · 04-22-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by skillfull

hey guys

HEY.... la Saint-Jean Baptiste!!!!!
Yioppie!!!!

I'm getting Drunk, Topless and Laid by a Lumberjack named Pierre!!!

skillfull · 04-22-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

WE did not cheat.

Or at least I know that I didn't cheat.

If someone from the separatist camp could show me a responsible socio-economic plan for what happens after Quebec becomes a Sovereign Nation I might be a little more open minded about separatism.

the ex-director of the PLC Francois Corbeil i think admitted it yesterday
he said something like :"Parizeau was right, even if its sound funny from me, if we would have win by 300000 votes i wouldnt tell so but by 50 000 votes... yes the rushing of immigration and all the money we spent (illegally) made the difference.

skillfull · 04-22-2005, 11:15 AM

its Benoit Corbeil btw, sorry for the typo but here is the article in french

Jacques Parizeau a eu raison de dire qu'il avait perdu le référendum sur la souveraineté à cause de l'argent et du vote ethnique, dit Benoît Corbeil. Venant de l'ancien directeur général du Parti libéral du Canada au Québec, cette affirmation a de quoi surprendre, convient-il.

« Aujourd'hui, si on me pose la question (M. Parizeau avait-il raison), je suis obligé de dire oui, a dit M. Corbeil au cours d'un entretien, hier. Venant de moi, c'est assez particulier. C'est clair que la stratégie (du Parti libéral), c'était de faire sortir le vote ethnique au maximum. Si nous avions gagné par 300 000 électeurs, j'aurais dit non (c'est-à-dire que M. Parizeau n'avait pas raison). Mais lorsqu'on regarde les résultats du référendum, la réponse est oui. »

Les forces du NON ont gagné le référendum par un peu plus de 50 000 voix (50,6 % du total). M. Corbeil était déjà actif au sein du Parti libéral du Canada au Québec (PLC-Q). Il dit qu'il a pu voir, de proche, comment le bureau du premier ministre Jean Chrétien a agi pour le gagner.

« Il y a eu une accélération du processus menant à la citoyenneté de milliers d'immigrants au Québec, dit-il. Ce n'était pas difficile: plusieurs commissaires à l'immigration étaient liés au parti. Jean Chrétien a fait un discours à la nation, un en français et un autre en anglais, qui n'était pas identique et qui contenait un message particulier pour les groupes ethniques. »

« Puis il y a eu la fameuse manifestation d'amour du Canada au centre-ville de Montréal. Bien qu'actif au parti, je n'ai été mis au courant qu'à la dernière minute. J'étais chargé d'aller chercher les manifestants du Manitoba à l'aéroport de Dorval. Je les ai amenés en autobus jusqu'au square Dominion. Puis je suis monté au 33e étage du Château Champlain; il y avait là plusieurs membres du bureau du premier ministre et d'autres personnes qui surveillaient la manifestation, armés de jumelles et de caméras. »

C'était clair que l'organisation de la manifestation avait coûté très cher, et c'était aussi clair que cette dépense ne respectait pas la loi sur les référendums au Québec, ajoute M. Corbeil. Selon lui, le programme de commandites a suivi dans cet état d'esprit: il fallait combattre le mouvement souverainiste par tous les moyens, c'est-à-dire avec beaucoup d'argent, quitte à ne pas toujours respecter la loi.

« À l'époque, pour moi, les déclarations de Jacques Parizeau (ancien premier ministre du Québec), c'était de la folie. Avec le recul, 10 ans plus tard, je dis que ce n'était pas une folie. »

L'ancien directeur du Parti libéral du Canada au Québec serait-il devenu souverainiste? lui a demandé La Presse.

« Non, répond M. Corbeil. Mais je suis en réflexion. Est-ce que je suis libéral? Non. Pour moi, c'est fini. Pour moi, c'est terminé. »

M. Corbeil a grimpé les échelons dans le PLC-Q jusqu'à en devenir le directeur général, en 1999. Il dit que le « réseau libéral » a tout fait pour unifier les forces fédéralistes au Québec sous l'aile libérale. Pour cela, ajoute-t-il, il fallait éliminer le Parti conservateur au Québec.

Ce réseau a convaincu Daniel Johnson (ancien premier ministre québécois) de quitter la direction du Parti libéral du Québec, ajoute-t-il. Le but: laisser la place vacante pour Jean Charest. Le « réseau » voulait que Jean Charest quitte le Parti conservateur. Lui-même a convaincu des députés conservateurs de passer au parti libéral.

« De cette façon, les conservateurs ne pouvaient plus diviser le vote fédéraliste aux élections, dit-il. La stratégie a fonctionné. On a obtenu des résultats formidables aux élections de 2000, avec 44 % des voix, contre 41 % au Bloc, et un seul élu conservateur. »

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

WE did not cheat. Or at least I know that I didn't cheat.

Unfortunately, we now know that the "NO" clealy cheated.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...05,1002231.php

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Originally Posted by ElvisManson

If someone from the separatist camp could show me a responsible socio-economic plan for what happens after Quebec becomes a Sovereign Nation I might be a little more open minded about separatism.

http://www.bloc.org/archivage/propos...ipale_05v2.pdf

LadyMischief · 04-22-2005, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

The federal is getting richer and richer and we are losing control of our own social programs. In a couple of years, the fiscal imbalance will be even more horrible. If nothing is done about this problem and that the federal keeps denying there is a fiscal imbalance, there WON'T BE ANY REASONS LEFT to stay within this federation.

The social programs that all the other provinces are paying for. Whoopie.

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:19 AM

Still whining??

Holy shit, you separatists never quit.

xxxdesign-net · 04-22-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skillfull

hey guys
YOU CHEATED AT THE FUCKING REFDERENDUM

hahahahaha... what was the referendum's question again..!?

Have the separatists demand a equal representation in the media (for the sake of democracy if for nothing else), have rules to prevent teachers from promoting the sovereignty in their classroom... and Unions from telling their members to vote for the seperation.. Then you'll be able to point fingers..

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

The social programs that all the other provinces are paying for. Whoopie.

You mean like the 12 billion dollars invested in the army from the Federal? Yeaahh.. Sure. That's what we need right now, especially when we can barely keep our health care services in the Province.

Thrawn$ · 04-22-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by painintheass

I'm actually considering making a severe fetish dominatrix content. If you let my girl bang you in the ass with a strap on.... I'll gladly blow you in payment. (Hell.... if I could pay my talent with a blow job I would be the happiest pornographer in the world)

OK

but i want upfront payment

xxxdesign-net · 04-22-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by skillfull

the ex-director of the PLC Francois Corbeil i think admitted it yesterday

He admitted ???

Too fucking funny... the guy blasted the Liberals.. If you cant see that this guy has a vendetta against the libreal party... you are clearly blind..

The guy even admitted that he was no longer a liberal... and most probably now is a separatist... I mean.. hiring Guy Bertrand, a passionate seperatist as his lawyer wasnt too subtle...

Thrawn$ · 04-22-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

He admitted ???

Too fucking funny... the guy blasted the Liberals.. If you cant see that this guy has a vendetta against the libreal party... you are clearly blind..

The guy even admitted that he was no longer a liberal... and most probably now is a separatist... I mean.. hiring Guy Bertrand, a passionate seperatist as his lawyer wasnt too subtle...

Guy bertrand is a federalist

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Unfortunately, we now know that the "NO" clealy cheated.

Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

You had the first referendum, and after the NO side won the separatists cryed foul. So after several years of crying and whining a 2nd referendum was held, all the so-called "holes" in the first one were changed and still the NO side held sway, albeit by a narrow margin.

You twits will cry foul every time you lose, even if a thousand referendums are held.

Truthfully, if every person with ties to Quebec such as family history etc were to be allowed to vote, that would mean I would qualify. That's the way it should be, not just only French people or only people living in Quebec. Everyone with any connection should be allowed to vote in a referendum, and if it were done that way only then would I accept a new (3rd) and FINAL rerendum.

End of story.

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

Guy bertrand is a federalist

I think he changes his political convictions every 3 months.

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

I think he changes his political convictions every 3 months.

This is quite possibly the first thing in this thread you've said that I agree with :D

xxxdesign-net · 04-22-2005, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

Guy bertrand is a federalist

lol.. start reading the papers again.. that screwball has made a comeback as a born-again seperatist...

ElvisManson · 04-22-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

http://www.bloc.org/archivage/propos...ipale_05v2.pdf

I know this will be fodder for some, but is the an English version of this? My french reading Comprehension is not what it used to be. I am missing too much reading the french version.

BradM · 04-22-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Yes, the speech by Martin was pathetic (Nothing new here). And Harper was an electoral speech. Harper would do a better job. I hope he's the next prime minister.

Harper is a Pro-US kiss ass Bush dick sucker. If he gets in office he will bend over backwards and let the US ram us in the ass. Fuck that.

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

So after several years of crying and whining a 2nd referendum was held, all the so-called "holes" in the first one were changed and still the NO side held sway, albeit by a narrow margin.

Whining and crying?

Stop acting like you know what you are talking about.

After the failure of the Meech Lake Accord, Robert Bourassa (THE LIBERAL) decided to start a commision called "Belanger-Campeau" to examine the political and constitutional status of Quebec and to make recommendations for changes.

What were the recommendations!?

Do another referendum about sovereignty-association. SURPRISE!

A new referendum was supposed to be held by the Liberals in 1992. But as we all know, Bourassa gave another useless chance to Canada with Charlottetown.

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Whining and crying?

Yes.

Incessant whining and crying, complaining, bitching, moaning and never-shutting-upping.

Want me to translate it into French?

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Yes.

Incessant whining and crying, complaining, bitching, moaning and never-shutting-upping.

Want me to translate it into French?

Sure, ignore my comments about your last post. It's easier that way. It really shows that you don't know shit about the political events that led to the second referendum.

Thanks.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

Guy bertrand is a federalist

Just to show what he knows about .....

And talking unions...

The boss of Canadair, Beaudoin, instructed his workers to vote lioberal, otherwise he would move the plants to Ontario ...

So if I follow XXX-Design thinking, nobody that is separatist can express themselves... They go home and sing in the shower.

Bertrand a separatist ...

That made my day

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Harper is a Pro-US kiss ass Bush dick sucker. If he gets in office he will bend over backwards and let the US ram us in the ass. Fuck that.

I'm with Brad on this one. As much as I like the US I would prefer to preserve our health care system and see it improved rather than privatized for one thing.

American plans and proposals do not always have Canada's best interest at heart (understatement in some cases) yet Harper's and the PC's political statements have often shown in the past that they would have jumped on several bandwagons taking Canada in a much different direction, as in South. If the Canadian gov't isn't looking out for Canada then who is?

That's why I say if the Libs are outsted, who or what is Canada's alternative? The NDP? ha ha, yeah that'll happen.

xxxdesign-net · 04-22-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Whining and crying?

Stop acting like you know what you are talking about.

After the failure of the Meech Lake Accord, Robert Bourassa (THE LIBERAL) decided to start a commision called "Belanger-Campeau" to examine the political and constitutional status of Quebec and to make recommendations for changes.

What were the recommendations!?

lol.. even ADQ chief Mario Dumont is saying "Please" to that.... Neutral Dumont, unlike the separatist, sees changes and potential in the federation.. An open window for decentralization.. and separating now is clearly not the smart way to go about it... Take off you blue glasses

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

You had the first referendum, and after the NO side won the separatists cryed foul. So after several years of crying and whining a 2nd referendum was held, all the so-called "holes" in the first one were changed and still the NO side held sway, albeit by a narrow margin.

You twits will cry foul every time you lose, even if a thousand referendums are held.

Truthfully, if every person with ties to Quebec such as family history etc were to be allowed to vote, that would mean I would qualify. That's the way it should be, not just only French people or only people living in Quebec. Everyone with any connection should be allowed to vote in a referendum, and if it were done that way only then would I accept a new (3rd) and FINAL rerendum.

End of story.

What an idiot you are ... Ask the Americans to vote also... oh and maybe the french ...

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

Sure, ignore my comments about your last post. It's easier that way. It really shows that you don't know shit about the political events that led to the second referendum.

Thanks.

Your comments were repetition of shit that has been previously addressed in other threads, even addressed in political articles from years back I'm sure. It is more parroting nonsense.

Like I said, saying something over and over won't magically turn it into the truth.

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

What an idiot you are ... Ask the Americans to vote also... oh and maybe the french ...

Dear dipshit: My comments have nothing to do with Americans. You took it upon your peanut sized brain to infer that yourself. Like a twit. As usual.

Bubbye.

xxxdesign-net · 04-22-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Bertrand a separatist ...

That made my day

I'll tell you the same thing as said to Trawn.. Try to keep up with the news...

(a recurring problem for most separatists

)

As for Beaudoin... Did you hear me say that was OK ?? Fuck no its not ok.. Shame on Beaudoin..

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Dear dipshit: My comments have nothing to do with Americans. You took it upon your peanut sized brain to infer that yourself. Like a twit. As usual.

Bubbye.

You are also weak ....

MetaMan · 04-22-2005, 11:53 AM

i just can't stand the bitching and constant whining, if you do not like it here go back to France, get on the boat and hopefully it sinks.

the west is now the movement stop whining.

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Your comments were repetition of shit that has been previously addressed in other threads, even addressed in political articles from years back I'm sure. It is more parroting nonsense.

Like I said, saying something over and over won't magically turn it into the truth.

My comments were not from political articles or editorials. They are political facts about what happened in the early 1990's. And the EVIL SEPERATISTS were not in Power. It was Robert Bourassa and the Liberals.

But you are clearly clueless about those facts.

I should've known that I was arguing with a clueless english canadian pretending to know the political events in Quebec.

directfiesta · 04-22-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

I'll tell you the same thing as said to Trawn.. Try to keep up with the news...

(a recurring problem for most separatists

)

How about a link... I see nothing that shows Bertrand as a separatist ... It shouldn't be hard for you...

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=fr&q=...cr%3DcountryCA

LadyMischief · 04-22-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

You mean like the 12 billion dollars invested in the army from the Federal? Yeaahh.. Sure. That's what we need right now, especially when we can barely keep our health care services in the Province.

All that and you still want to seperate? Go nuts, seeya later. Don't come crying when your new little country drops like a lead balloon :P If you want it so damn bad, what's stopping you? THis is the same thing I've said to seperatists all along. How can someone be a Canadian and contribute to canadian society when all they do is bitch about how much they want to be "seperate" and have "seperate identities". If ANYONE deserves their own country, it's the Native Americans who were here even BEFORE the french.

Like really, just fucking do it already.

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

lol.. even ADQ chief Mario Dumont is saying "Please" to that.... Neutral Dumont, unlike the separatist, sees changes and potential in the federation.. An open window for decentralization.. and separating now is clearly not the smart way to go about it... Take off you blue glasses

So when Mario Dumont, Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau signed the agreement on June 12, 1995 about the referendum, you are saying that Mario Dumont didn't really want to sign?

Please.

xxxdesign-net · 04-22-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarrier

So when Mario Dumont, Lucien Bouchard and Jacques Parizeau signed the agreement on June 12, 1995 about the referendum, you are saying that Mario Dumont didn't really want to sign?

Please.

uh... did you even follow the last provincial election? Dumont distanced himself from the sovereigntist movement and said he was ready to see if federalism could work.. talking about decentralisation... something other provinces are also interested in..

NoCarrier · 04-22-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

uh... did you even follow the last provincial election? Dumont distanced himself from the sovereigntist movement and said he was ready to see if federalism could work.. talking about decentralisation... something other provinces are also interested in..

In your last message you quoted my "Belanger-Campeau" comments, so I responded about it and Dumont.

And about his new "Autonomist" vision crap, sure.. The Federal is going to give all new powers back to Quebec just for the fun of it.. Just because It's Mario Dumont and because he's an "Autonomist".

Thrawn$ · 04-22-2005, 12:15 PM

Dumont is fucking federalist agent
they created the ADQ to divide the french canadian votes so the PQ has less votes

CDSmith · 04-22-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You are also weak ....

Come try me anytime friend.

L0stMind · 04-22-2005, 12:34 PM

http://www.bloc.org/archivage/propos...ipale_05v2.pdf

My french comprehension is pretty poor I'll admit, but this is just political propanganda as far as I can tell. It's like reading a marketing brochure.... Perhaps I need an english version (and I can't translate this via babelfish, silly pdf). But really, there is very little in terms of hard numbers in here. How can you make a decision as big as seperating and forming your own country without solid concrete fiscal proof that it will work? If it doesn't work, whats gonna happen?

I am also curious about the anglophone people in Quebec. What is the plan for them? I've not seen it addressed ever.

painintheass · 04-22-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Thrawn$

OK

but i want upfront payment

Ok, but you are locked into it. Right after you sign the release. I'll blow you. Then we will film your being fucked in the ass. Do a good job and maybe you will get oral again

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skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	hey guys YOU CHEATED AT THE FUCKING REFDERENDUM we should have win stop telleing stupidity next time if you try to cheat its gonna be like this __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

04-22-2005, 11:15 AM	#114
skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	its Benoit Corbeil btw, sorry for the typo but here is the article in french Jacques Parizeau a eu raison de dire qu'il avait perdu le référendum sur la souveraineté à cause de l'argent et du vote ethnique, dit Benoît Corbeil. Venant de l'ancien directeur général du Parti libéral du Canada au Québec, cette affirmation a de quoi surprendre, convient-il. « Aujourd'hui, si on me pose la question (M. Parizeau avait-il raison), je suis obligé de dire oui, a dit M. Corbeil au cours d'un entretien, hier. Venant de moi, c'est assez particulier. C'est clair que la stratégie (du Parti libéral), c'était de faire sortir le vote ethnique au maximum. Si nous avions gagné par 300 000 électeurs, j'aurais dit non (c'est-à-dire que M. Parizeau n'avait pas raison). Mais lorsqu'on regarde les résultats du référendum, la réponse est oui. » Les forces du NON ont gagné le référendum par un peu plus de 50 000 voix (50,6 % du total). M. Corbeil était déjà actif au sein du Parti libéral du Canada au Québec (PLC-Q). Il dit qu'il a pu voir, de proche, comment le bureau du premier ministre Jean Chrétien a agi pour le gagner. « Il y a eu une accélération du processus menant à la citoyenneté de milliers d'immigrants au Québec, dit-il. Ce n'était pas difficile: plusieurs commissaires à l'immigration étaient liés au parti. Jean Chrétien a fait un discours à la nation, un en français et un autre en anglais, qui n'était pas identique et qui contenait un message particulier pour les groupes ethniques. » « Puis il y a eu la fameuse manifestation d'amour du Canada au centre-ville de Montréal. Bien qu'actif au parti, je n'ai été mis au courant qu'à la dernière minute. J'étais chargé d'aller chercher les manifestants du Manitoba à l'aéroport de Dorval. Je les ai amenés en autobus jusqu'au square Dominion. Puis je suis monté au 33e étage du Château Champlain; il y avait là plusieurs membres du bureau du premier ministre et d'autres personnes qui surveillaient la manifestation, armés de jumelles et de caméras. » C'était clair que l'organisation de la manifestation avait coûté très cher, et c'était aussi clair que cette dépense ne respectait pas la loi sur les référendums au Québec, ajoute M. Corbeil. Selon lui, le programme de commandites a suivi dans cet état d'esprit: il fallait combattre le mouvement souverainiste par tous les moyens, c'est-à-dire avec beaucoup d'argent, quitte à ne pas toujours respecter la loi. « À l'époque, pour moi, les déclarations de Jacques Parizeau (ancien premier ministre du Québec), c'était de la folie. Avec le recul, 10 ans plus tard, je dis que ce n'était pas une folie. » L'ancien directeur du Parti libéral du Canada au Québec serait-il devenu souverainiste? lui a demandé La Presse. « Non, répond M. Corbeil. Mais je suis en réflexion. Est-ce que je suis libéral? Non. Pour moi, c'est fini. Pour moi, c'est terminé. » M. Corbeil a grimpé les échelons dans le PLC-Q jusqu'à en devenir le directeur général, en 1999. Il dit que le « réseau libéral » a tout fait pour unifier les forces fédéralistes au Québec sous l'aile libérale. Pour cela, ajoute-t-il, il fallait éliminer le Parti conservateur au Québec. Ce réseau a convaincu Daniel Johnson (ancien premier ministre québécois) de quitter la direction du Parti libéral du Québec, ajoute-t-il. Le but: laisser la place vacante pour Jean Charest. Le « réseau » voulait que Jean Charest quitte le Parti conservateur. Lui-même a convaincu des députés conservateurs de passer au parti libéral. « De cette façon, les conservateurs ne pouvaient plus diviser le vote fédéraliste aux élections, dit-il. La stratégie a fonctionné. On a obtenu des résultats formidables aux élections de 2000, avec 44 % des voix, contre 41 % au Bloc, et un seul élu conservateur. » __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

04-22-2005, 04:09 AM	#102
painintheass So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 838	This is what I want out of Quebec seperation 1. New language designation. I don't want to speak french. I don't want to speak english. I want to speak Quebecoise!!! Or quebec-aise if you prefer! 2. Real Maple Syrup made in Quebec that I can purchase for less than anyone else in north america. 3. Get this fucking American Beer crap out of Quebec! I want Boreale at the same price I pay for Wildcat! The only reason I drink Wildcat is because it's fucking cheap! 4. The end of Construction Cards! Do you know how many good men in Quebec look great, can fuck like gods, repair your leaky roof but can't get a job because they don't have a Fucking Construction card!! I mean shit!!! I take it in the ass like Jeanne D'arc ridding into battle. I deserve to have the entire package. Is it too much to ask for a man with a decent job? 5. During La fête de la Saint-Jean Baptiste... I want to get drunk, smash beer bottles, get into a fight with some girl for comming on to her boyfriend. Then take off my shirt, dance around a bonfire and wake up in the morning next to some hairy bastard I don't know and have to buy a home pregnancy test that afternoon and schedule a doctor's appoint for an HIV test. (Oh wait I already have that right.... make no account of this.) Oh and for the federalists.... If you promise to make #5 into a national holiday for all of Canada. I'll support you instead! Afterall it really is the only important thing listed there. I can live with or without the rest.

04-22-2005, 11:19 AM	#117
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Still whining?? Holy shit, you separatists never quit. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

04-22-2005, 11:53 AM	#140
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	i just can't stand the bitching and constant whining, if you do not like it here go back to France, get on the boat and hopefully it sinks. the west is now the movement stop whining.

04-22-2005, 12:15 PM	#147
Thrawn$ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mtl Posts: 4,596	Dumont is fucking federalist agent they created the ADQ to divide the french canadian votes so the PQ has less votes __________________ Tracking 202 \| Start Tracking PPC Campaigns Like A Pro

04-22-2005, 12:34 PM	#149
L0stMind Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancity Posts: 1,681	http://www.bloc.org/archivage/propos...ipale_05v2.pdf My french comprehension is pretty poor I'll admit, but this is just political propanganda as far as I can tell. It's like reading a marketing brochure.... Perhaps I need an english version (and I can't translate this via babelfish, silly pdf). But really, there is very little in terms of hard numbers in here. How can you make a decision as big as seperating and forming your own country without solid concrete fiscal proof that it will work? If it doesn't work, whats gonna happen? I am also curious about the anglophone people in Quebec. What is the plan for them? I've not seen it addressed ever. __________________ http://cashcore.com - Make Money. http://ezprovider.net - Hosting.