that the only way i can see Quebec staying in Canada
but you dont have political party thinking this way
that leave us no other choice...

That is the most retarded plan I have seen yet. You really need to stop spending your time with retards.

Separate from the chaff or you become chaff.


Just as the PC's are going to take the opportunity to maximize the sponsorship scandal and avail themselves of this opportunity, so to is the bloc Quebequoix, or as I like to call them, the bloc-heads. What do the separatists say regarding the notion that Canada may get a PC government when all this is over and done with?

Please comment....

For one thing, you are a CONQUERED PEOPLE, if history serves. Let's start there shall we? Second, as I see it over the past 40 years Quebec has been coddled and funded and indulged and given special attention like no other province.

Yeah, poor you.

just this part make no sense, so im not going to explain you why you are wrong on all those facts, its just a waste of time

It's only going to get worse. Back in the 1970's when the PQ took office they began their 'cultural training' by rewriting history books and other ' educational materials' so that no good Quebecois child would ever grow up without learning how much they have been victimized by the big bad english canadians.

Baghdad Bob would be very proud!

Decrentalization won't work..
Well, it would, and it would leave a HUGE disparity...
Under income equalization payments, 9 of the 12 provinces RECEIVE money, where's as 3 of the provinces pay money..
Quebec RECEIVES the most!! $4.2 billion a year....
What does that say about Quebec's economic feasability???
The Quebec economy is bloated... Too many unions, too many rules..

The roads are horrendous, hospital care is a nightmare, social programs are the pits...
All governments are crooks... That's hardly a valid argument for separation...

having a PC government is a fucking good thing for separatism

what do you think ppl in quebec will think of a federal governement straight from Jesusland ?

it will just gave us 10-15% more vote for the YES option :P

Yeah, that was a typo.. it was supposed to be 'can't use the st. lawrence'
I'm sure people would appreciate seeing if you actually have answers for those facts...

:) Tres Drole!!!

The only reason you are federalists is because your parents were federalists ..

IMHO, It just seems like this is a plan thats going backwards. European Countries are uniting to create a stronger economy and to have a more prominent role in the world. Instead of moving forward, we are going regressing. Less power on the world stage, a weaker economy and isolating ourselves. We are headed towards being the next Honduras

Just because someone is against Quebec separatism does not make them a federalist.

and you are REFUGEES, dont forget that

Wrong.

My family comes from Eastern Canada. My dad and his family tree are straight out of Montreal, my mom's side is from N. Ontario by way of New Brunswick. And who said I was "federalist"? Manitoba has it's own provincial government too, but before being a Toban I am a Canadian first and formost, as you too should be.

Fact is a good half of Quebec's population does NOT want ot separate, and those peoples comprise a full 75% or more of Quebec's land mass. Just what kind of "new country" do you think you would be starting? :1orglaugh


The answer is still no.

bigger the structure, less efficient it is
its a know fact

How so?

Are you learning history from idiots?

sophism here, i will let you find it yourself :P

Same for me. :helpme

LOYALISTS, flee from the United States when the american revolution occured and the british lost.
never heard about Upper and Lower Canada ?

btw why the fuck arent you banned
frogs is as racist as the n***** word for black people

we dont need your racists remarks here

I got to say that Decentralization is not a good idea. Once we do that we create a beaucratic nightmare and stall the entire country in a paperwork mess gone wild. Thats going to hit the economy in sooo many bad ways.

New rules will be made and rules upon rules with added regulations. I agree that there needs to be more power given to the provinces but they need to have better definition of what their powers are.

If you ask me the biggest thing wrong with federalism and seperatism is.

1. There are no commoners in the house of commons. Most politicians are so out of touch with their constituants it isn't even funny.

For the most part it is just a bunch of rich baby-boomers that have no clue what it is to have to buy no-name brand macroni and cheese because kraft dinner is too expensive. Or go to the Bulk Barn and just get the powedered kraft cheese. They don't know what the concept is to be an working Canadien/Canadian

2. Too much curtailing to the corporate big wigs. It's this "you wash my back and I'll wash yours" crap that leads to things like the sponsorship scandal and idiots like Harper and Stronach that want to turn our country into the 51st state.

3. Too much party line crossing. This is just an example of what I was saying that ulitimately they are all friends. All the politicians are just being self-serving and looking out for their individual interests. My initial argument still stands that the Parti Quebecois does not truly want seperatism and the Federalists are in no hurry to put their buddies out of a job.

Funny, from my perspective it is in fact your argument that is rife with sophism.

At present the Quebec separatists are viewed by the rest of Canada as whiners mostly. If you people keep on with your bullshit and end up further harming this country I predict you will become viewed as cancer.

Your parents have programed you to think of Quebec as a country. The cancer is perpetuated.

Since when is French-Canadian a race? :1orglaugh

It's a slur against your French heritage, idiot, not your race. People from France get called frogs too.

actually no...
Bigger structures lead to vertical integration and higher efficiency....
Look at corporate power and economic theory....
Bigger corporations/countries have greater purchasing power, greater market control, great production capabilities, greater total world market influence...

less efficient? Ask the US what they think about the Euro. I doubt they say that the Euro is innefficient. Churchill called for a "United States of Europe" to make Europe stronger and compete with the US. 60 years later, they have a United Europe and have become a superpower in the world and threatening American Supremacy. I doubt u can call that innefficient

And stop trying to compare our situation to that of Europe. How can anyone in their right mind not see that Europe is comprised of distinctly SEPARATE countries who are now choosing to collaborate and unite economically to become a stronger world presence, whereas Canada and ALL of it's provinces and territories is ONE country, of which about half the population of one such province is attempting to divide us which WILL result in all of us becoming a much weaker presence on the world market.

You idiots are trying to compare your backward movement to a forward movement, and it doesn't wash, much like the rest of your parent's arguments you all keep parroting.

Def:

Redneck - A person from a southern area, who is outside all day under the hot sun - frying his brains. Distinguishing characteristics are his sunburned neck, ignorant behaviour and foul mouth.

Blueneck - A person from a northern climate that is outside all day in the cold - freezing his brains. Distinguishing characteristics are similar to the redneck.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

CD already caught it so there is no reason for me to explain.

you just dont get it YOU should be banned from Canada, YOU make it a worse place, move to France and hop back in the pond.

some of my best friends are from Quebec and they pray to God one day all you people die and do not spawn, seriously.

Not true. Say that to a French ( from France) and he will look at you like you are an idiot ... ( well, thinking about it ...)

It is used solely towards " french quebecers " as well as " Pepsi " ( long story behind that one).

Just like to us " English Canadians" are " blokes and you are a " redneck " ...

or Metaman is a " child abusing slovak" ...

Now, let the insults fly

directfiesta you know i can dish and take, i do not whine. that is your opinion, i do not care in the first place. :1orglaugh

Decentralized structure of governance in any nation makes for better delivery
of services and hastens employment in every nook an corner of such a nation,
thus enhancing its prosperity and greatness in the long run. It requires that every component section of the union fully participate as this makes for greater practice of democratic principles and is good for the nation in general. It is a fact that the stable and prosperous nations of the world are those with strong economic and political democracies which evolved a decentralized form government. The advantages of the concept and practice of power devolution in any nation of the world, far outweigh the disadvantages The stability and prosperity enjoyed by such nations bear testimony to this

what he said :thumbsup

and MetaMan, call a Quebec guy a frog in his face, and after, we will all see how fast you can run
and yes quebecers are a nation
like Cree are a nation
like Americans are a nation...

Quebecs debt is already alarming and we dont have the US economy to recover a big debt. Seperating will only increase the debt with all the transition costs and so on. Not to mention we have a low birth rate and more people are retiring, meaning more pension money and more money for health care.

Yeah, however, we were talking about 'bigger structures' being inefficient..
Decenralization still maintains the larger, 'overall' structure...
Yes, decentralization has it's benefits..
but, seperating Quebec isn't decentralization.... it leads to a smaller, less powerful player in the world markets..

So there's a guy from B.C., Quebec, and Newfoundland. They are walking down the beach and stumble upon a genies lantern. They give it a rub and out pops a genie. The genie say since there are 3 of you I will grant you all one wish each.
The Newfoundlander goes first and says I would like all the fish stocks in the Atlantic to go back to what they were 500 years ago. The genie grants his wish and they can see schools of cod from the shore. The Quebec' says I would like a wall around the province of Quebec a 100 feet high so we can be separate from Canada and have our own country. The genie grants him his wish and there is a big wall around Quebec. He asks the guy from B.C. what his wish is. The guy from B.C. asks if the wall around Quebec will hold water. The genie say yes of course. So the guy from B.C. says " fill it"

See you in Montreal May 5,6,7

I'm stoked that I got such a nice sig spot in this thread..

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