Originally Posted by painintheass

Whoa! I work with an Acadien. Ok, his French might be a little different. But his history started much the same way and he is not from Quebec. You can't forget the cajuns.

We all talk about this history and where it all began. But what about here and now. What can we do to rectify the current situation. We aren't living 200, 300, etc years ago. And english is used everywhere now. so it should not be viewed as an evil enemy.

I've offered what I think is my solution to the problem.

That is forced billingualism to the entire country. Each and every grade school age child has their days broken up to half and half days. In english Canada they start the morning with english and afternoons with french. In french canada it is the opposite.

See my point of view on doing this is because I am now living in france. When I arrived here my opinion was one of "no big deal, we are all french. I'm just getting closer to my cultural roots."

But after surviving pointed attacks on my dialect, coloquilisms and attitudes. It became very obvious that I was not French but Quebecoise. And more than that my attitudes and behaviours are a reflection of what it is to be Canadienne.

In very general terms... when compared with many other cultures, the people of Canada tend to "GET IT." The "IT" is undefinable but somehow Canadians/Canadiens/Canadiennes understand what "IT" is.

The French here don't "Get it." Much as the americans grasp different aspects of "it" but still miss the entire big picture. Therefore they don't always get "it."

Now if I sound really ridiculas, I'm sorry but you either "Get it" or you don't.

Ok, let the flames begin on my "IT" argument.

Originally Posted by MetaMan

stupid fucking frogs, LEAVE the country, GO to France, the ENTIRE country does not want you here accept for other frogs in Ontario.

Alberta has been praying to God that you guys leave, it would save us so much $ to have to not pay for the thousands of lazy fucking french and maritimes people <get the fuck out also.

seperatist? fuck you, i am Canadian, and so should you, FUCK OFF.

Originally Posted by Thrawn$

I think Porto rico does

Originally Posted by skillfull

btw Canadian is just a term you stole from us
you should be called lickers of his majesty ass, LOYALISTS

Originally Posted by Thrawn$

I think Porto rico does

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Alberta has been praying to God that you guys leave

Originally Posted by yys

Fact

No country will recognize the breakup of one of the worlds most successful countries on the basis of a simple majority in one region of the country. With a 2/3rds majority, which you'll never get, you'll have international support. Then there's still the problem of what to do with the millions of Canadians in the province of Quebec who don't want to seperate. Do you tell them they have too leave or give up their citizenship? If they leave will they be compensated by the new country for their loss of property? What if they refuse to leave and refuse to accept the authority of the new government? What if the regions who voted no decide to seperate from this utopian french wonderland of New France; will you send in your army or will you accept their democratic process.

You've been sold an ivory towers pipe dream if you think a 51% yes vote gets you what you want.

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Canadian? ya the only way you are more canadian than us is because the french settlers came across and fucked the crap out of the native women.

thus yes you are more canadian than me because you are a Mati, Quebec just doesnt want to admit it. think about it.

Originally Posted by skillfull

sorry this problem is allready solved
you know what"La Paix des Braves" is ?

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

"The agreement includes cash payments to the Cree of C$24 million in 2002, C$46 million the following year, then C$70 million a year for 48 years. The Cree also get more control over their community and economy, more power over logging and more Hydro-Quebec jobs."

where is the 70 Million a year going to come from if Quebec separates?

Originally Posted by skillfull

i dont think Canada will have the choice.. otherwise, the CND dollar will lose a lot of it value... imagine all the Quebec selling all their CAD...

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

"The agreement includes cash payments to the Cree of C$24 million in 2002, C$46 million the following year, then C$70 million a year for 48 years. The Cree also get more control over their community and economy, more power over logging and more Hydro-Quebec jobs."

where is the 70 Million a year going to come from if Quebec separates?

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

"The agreement includes cash payments to the Cree of C$24 million in 2002, C$46 million the following year, then C$70 million a year for 48 years. The Cree also get more control over their community and economy, more power over logging and more Hydro-Quebec jobs."

where is the 70 Million a year going to come from if Quebec separates?

Originally Posted by Crypt

They will just start 10 new online casinos on top of the 250 they are running atm if they dont get the 70M$ , its not really a prob

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Are any of you actually Canadians...lol. I mean, I assume so, but are you actually debating separation? It's so so so so dead. It will never happen. Move on. Join the rest of the world. Nativistic movements are bound to implode. Read some Michael Ignatieff.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by skillfull

sorry, in ANY real democratic country, 50%+1 is enough ;)
and no country have something to gain not recognising a indepandant Quebec

what ex prime minister Jacques Pariseau said about that

Q: How would you respond to this: Canadians are not asking the federal government how they would respond to a UDI (unilateral declaration of independence) because they know the answer. The Government of Canada would not recognize a unilateral declaration because of its composition, and could not because of the Supreme Court of Canada reference. You would really be in a moral and legal no man's land after a UDI, correct?

A: No. But I've described this often. We must have quickly a recognition as a sovereign country. I do not expect ...
Not besides France ... when you open that up, you see, you put the Americans in a sort of quandry. You know, the Monroe Doctrine and that sort of thing? It would have been awfully difficult for political change of that order in the Americas with the Americans sitting on the sideline. One of the things that the Americans will not try, certainly is to choose Quebec over Canada. Not in any way. If they can avoid recognizing Quebec because Canada would not recognize Quebec, they will. And they support you fully, wholly in this. But there's one thing they don't like -- it's that another country, a unitary country of some size is recognizing Quebec. That inevitably changes their position. They know that -- look I know this. I've discussed these things long enough with the United States to know very well. Yes indeed, the key is France

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

In the Mid 90's 100's of Corp's fled Quebec due to the possibility of the province becoming a Sovereign Nation. This includes The Bank of Montreal which now has it's Corporate Offices and Exec's in Toronto. How much more money does Quebec have to lose before they realize that it is financial doom to separate from the rest of Canada?

Originally Posted by SL|M!

Its not dead in Quebec. The Liberal government is most likely going to loose the next elections and the PQ will be in power. Quebecers are really pissed about this sponsorship scandal, so it might just be the right conditions for a separist movement.

Originally Posted by magicmike

Exactly.

When your in Montreal and look at what occupies all the office buildings its basically crown corporations (ie. via rail), bell canada, and federal and povincial gov't, plus quebec hydro and quebecor media.

I don't see how they feel leaving would be an economic benifit at all.

Sure they could make all their own laws etc... but after that what is the real gain?

Originally Posted by directfiesta

From the " sponsorship" program .....

Are you retarded ... You think Quebec doesn't have 70 million ....

Originally Posted by yys

100

see sig

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

of you course you do right now. But if Quebec separates what currency are you going to pay them in? My understanding is that Ted Moses agreed and signed based on Quebec staying in canada and NOT separating.

Quebec, contrary to what many Quebecois think, gets more money from Confederation than it gives. When you add in all the direct federal spending this number increases. In each of the referendums this has been a major factor in keeping Quebec in Confederation. On the other hand Quebec is hungrier for provincial power than any other province except Alberta.

Lets talk about Immigration too.

Quebec has an unprecedented control over it?s own immigration. (A policy which is ridiculous, since once in Canada and past the first period immigrants can move anywhere.

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

On the other hand Quebec is hungrier for provincial power than any other province except Alberta.

Originally Posted by yys

I think Canadian's in general are hungrier for more provincial powers. I personally don't see why the Feds collect all this money only too pass it along to another level of government who in turn passes it along again.
Why do the Feds pay the provinces money for health care? I've never been to a federally run Hospital or doctors office. Let the province you live in collect the taxes for this. Same thing with National Daycare; let the province you live in decide if thats what they want and then collect the taxes for it. Same thing for the gas taxes and on and on and on. The Feds have stuck their fngers into too many local juridictions.

Originally Posted by yys

I think Canadian's in general are hungrier for more provincial powers. I personally don't see why the Feds collect all this money only too pass it along to another level of government who in turn passes it along again.
Why do the Feds pay the provinces money for health care? I've never been to a federally run Hospital or doctors office. Let the province you live in collect the taxes for this. Same thing with National Daycare; let the province you live in decide if thats what they want and then collect the taxes for it. Same thing for the gas taxes and on and on and on. The Feds have stuck their fngers into too many local juridictions.

Originally Posted by skillfull

hum sorry
Moses had publicly committed support for Landry during the election campaign.

we have been screwed all our history by the federal governement
most the ppl in Quebec will know that, most ppl will vote YES and this never-ending story will end

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Most of you webmasters who are french and support separatism are in your 20's, maybe a few in your 30's and the odd one older than that. The only reason you are separatists is because your parents were separatists.

Choose to break the cycle of ignorance.

Originally Posted by skillfull

federalism doesnt work
and you have to admit it
http://www.lecornichon.qc.ca/journal...n_chretien.jpg

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

Why do Separatists feel that they are the only province that gets screwed by Ottawa?

You know that most of the western provinces feel that you get extra special attention from the Feds and lots of Extra money that they don't?

Originally Posted by Thrawn$

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


c vrai que tous les quebecois s'appelle Joseph et les quebecoises Marie? comme 2eme ou 3eme nom je parle

Originally Posted by ElvisManson

Why do Separatists feel that they are the only province that gets screwed by Ottawa?

You know that most of the western provinces feel that you get extra special attention from the Feds and lots of Extra money that they don't?

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Fact is Quebec does get extra attention and also awarded contract to Quebec companies, in effort to appease the whiners.

Notice the least little infraction perceived by separatists as being against Quebec and they are quick to start howling at the moon.

Originally Posted by skillfull

i spoke with a guys from Vancouver about that when i was in Mexico

we came to the conclusion that Canada isnt a real country
we should split up in 5 smaller country
BC
Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba
Ontario
Quebec
and the Maritimes

and make something like the european association
we need more provincial power in Canada, not fucking federal crooks power :P

Originally Posted by yys

I think Canadian's in general are hungrier for more provincial powers. I personally don't see why the Feds collect all this money only too pass it along to another level of government who in turn passes it along again.
Why do the Feds pay the provinces money for health care? I've never been to a federally run Hospital or doctors office. Let the province you live in collect the taxes for this. Same thing with National Daycare; let the province you live in decide if thats what they want and then collect the taxes for it. Same thing for the gas taxes and on and on and on. The Feds have stuck their fngers into too many local juridictions.

Originally Posted by yys

We already have the European model, they're copying us.

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Hydro - power :1orglaugh wood, mines... Quebec has always been a massive exporter of " matieres premieres" ... Now we could at least transform it here to create jobs.

We already have a government, including taxation ... We can use US dollar as many other countries do ... Wouldn't hurt at all the canadian currency ....

Export to leave thru Canada... :1orglaugh sure, we have no airports or ports ... Don't forget, we own a part of ALL ports and airports of Canada ...

Your attitude is the type that makes be lean on the separation side. And when I change or forget, there is always another TED WINTERS to remind me .... JE ME SOUVIENS.