also i've been meaning to ask you... you being aarons good friend... do you agree with me that you are somewhat biassed?

Why do you assume he is jealous?

You dont think it possible he could be with Sam on this one?

There seems to be a few people who do agree to an extent with Sam and Im sure they are not all content producers.

You're doing it again, Sonofsam.

I did not try to get you to see Aaron's point of view.

What I attempted to do was to get you to stop acting like a newb and digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Without going into a long song and dance, it ended with you sticking with your opinion and I disagreed with it. I told you my opinion and what I would do, in your shoes....although..I would never have let it go this far....and you disagreed with that.

Tell it the way it happened, sonofsam......for real.

I got off the phone because I did not get the impression that you wanted the situation resolved in a healthy business manner. There was nothing more to say.

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Thanks, CD for the post...I'm not sure where or why the attack came from....I don't recall ever trying to portray myself as an all knowing guru adult master....and, I especially am not up Aaron's ass. We disagree many times.

I am not now or ever would be jealous of AaronM. I am simply stating my opinions. The kid paid a good amount of money (which I am sure is not much to Aaron but everything to sonofsam) and all AaronM can do is bully the kid around. I do think that if it was me that got the content, I would have thrown out the shit sets and called it a day, but that may be because I am 39 years old and experienced and sonofsam is not. He learned a lot from this, he is just trying to make it in the biz, he is not trying to scam anyone.

i just got off the phone with my grandma... add +1 to team sonofsam :1orglaugh

Since Aaron presently holds your license AND the money you've paid so far, I'd say you better start seeing his side, and fast. There are times in life when you just need to know when to drop your pride and what *you* think is right and just get things solved, and move ON.

Hasn't this gone on long enough?

My advice is unchanged since yesterday, and it is as sound today as it was then, judging by everything I've read on this thread. That being, I recommend you forward the remainder of the payment Aaron says you owe him, get your license, and get on with it. And maybe, if you can manage not to piss him off any further, maybe, just maybe.... I'm hoping he'll be willing to exchange some of those sets to ones you think are more suitable.

But that last part is iffy.

Now, you guys can continue quibbling and getting nowhere fast (do you enjoy spinning your wheels? I don't), or you can try taking my advice and getting this settled. I am sure if you did so Aaron would become more reasonable as well. Try it.

if i was in it for scamming, the first person i would have scammed would have been DarkJedi when i could have and gotten away with it.

When a high school girl starts giving her insights on life, and two adults who happen to be friends both agree that she's speaking out of pure ignorance, does it make the biased to agree?

You are very young and very naive and very, very wrong in this case.

Three Examples:

1. Thinking you can or should be able to resell licensed content.
2. Thinking you can or should be able to trade licensed content.
3. Thinking that all 140 models in a bulk package will be Tawnee Stone part II.

I say give the kid a break, let him pay the rest of the deal, give him his content and it's gonna be over with ... the guy is like 18-19 ... he still has a lot to learn about business (eg contracts with models among other things) . People gave me a break when I was wrong, and right now I wouldn't do the same stupid mistakes .

Thanks, Donovan....

I have no quarrel with iwantchixxx, although that post seemed like a blind side...

Actually, he and I have spoken on a few occasions on dmpm...

I simply did not agree with sonofsam's position; as I tried to explain, there comes a point where you do what you have to do to resolve. He did not seem interested in resolution, only who's right and who's wrong; who's biased and who isn't.

I've also noticed, sonofsam, that, while you're talking about Donovan and I being 'biased', you also have your champions.

It was great seeing you in Phoenix....Donovan. Next time, try the quail eggs!

This I agree with. Why dont sonofsam and AaronM get on the phone and work it out. Get off the boards with it guys.

I won't basically say i'm wrong and that i'm sorry... because even if i AM wrong... i honestly believe i have a valid arguement... but of course i would be willing to work something out with aaron... but if it involved me lying and saying something i don't believe then i don't... your opinion and standing for what you think, whether its right or wrong is worth more then money :2 cents:

There's a difference between helping out someone and completely gloating and insulting. Not once did I insult anyone (until Raven irritated me, which takes a lot) in my quest to help Sam out. I carried myself more proffesionally than that.

I'll make a formal appology right here and now to Raven. Sorry if I offended you Raven.

However, you reap what you sew.

The kid's ignorance is not an excuse to give him wrong advice. "Hey, he's new so we'll give him different rules than everybody else". He got 140 models that are very undersold. He got a good deal. He has nothing to bitch about.

i don't have to say i am wrong and sorry for this to be resolved.... why can't it be resolved without stroking someones ego???

aaron thinks hes right, i think i'm right... lets leave it at that and resolve it.

Good post, I agree fully. However, Sam is VERY determined to stick to his guns, ya have to give that much to him. It's just too bad it's going to all cause more headaches than anything in the long run.

Well, yeah.

Still, you're taking my words as a gloat, which, honestly they were not.

I've tried them in the past. Not much of a fan.

But, man, did you see how much nigiri I got to eat? Ordered a HUGE order for 4 and 2 people in our party had never tried sushi. They couldn't hack it so I got to eat their share.

I wonder if Aaron still has the pics. That was the first time in my life that I've eaten so much sushi that I had to stop from being too full, with 6 or 7 more pieces sitting on the table.

Yum!

Speaking of sushi, I had it last night and the night before as well.

I saw this as reply #8. Given that I'd go with option #5 if I was Aaron.

Sonofsam, all you had to do was just shut the fuck up and not say a damn thing in this thread. But NO, you just had to pipe right in and throw more gasoline on the fire. Thanks for playing, you LOSE. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 (or the 2257's), thanks for playing the ultimate noob.

Repeat this line in preparation for your new career in the food sevice industry.

"Do you want fries with that?"

:helpme

Your apology is accepted....and thank you Donovan and CD for standing up for me.

You didn't offend me. You surprised me. That doesn't happen often.

It's okay, though. I'm done.

Do you want fries.... do you want..... do you... FUCK.... hold on... do you want frrrr.... frrrrr..... i can't do it... is there another job opening in another industry? ... janitorial or ?

We actually left food on the table. Speaking of pics....that's right. He does have them...I'll have to nag at him to send us a set!!!!

And, yeah. I don't recall you sharing that nigiri, either. ;)

Have a good one, Donovan...say hi to Belinda...I'm outta here.

Sam, dude, I'm telling you right now, you need to quit telling everyone what you're NOT willing to do and get your situation solved. I am starting to see why Raven took a hard-line stance with you, you don't seem to want to bend towards a solution at all.

Where is it such a compromise of your principles to follow what I suggested? I'm not saying you should kiss the guy's feet. Okay, I'll tell you what.... and maybe what I am about to say will hit home with you..... ready? Here goes....

Sometimes, the party in a dispute who makes the most effort to get things solved ends up looking like a bigger man.

I'll leave you with that. Good luck.

i am willing to resolve it... whatever it takes... however compromising and basically saying "hey everyone, im a liar... and i'm admitting it so that i can get my content" ... doesn't work..


i want to solve this... believe me.

Score.
Raven your opinion doesnt matter here. It isnt an opinon, we all know who you are rooting for.



Aaron, i honestly dont think you will go for the lawsuit, nor do i hope you will.

Just let him pay you and give him the content.

You offer me a solution where it can be resolved without me making myself look like a liar... and i'll do it... whatever it is.

Has anybody noticed AaronM's not even here? He's just out for the night doing business as usual.

I said what I needed to towards sonofsam in private. I'll say it again publicly. This needs to be resolved off the boards because it's over a balance of less than 1k and it's not hurting AaronM at all he'll still sell content bt it may have damaged the new paysite to the tune of lots of affiliates meaning lots of cash.

there's my 2 cents.

Peace.

This is what you and Aaron did yesterday....

You seem to think you have a right to tell him what he should like - he dosnt like what Aaron sold him.... It may be the best content and will sell like nothing else, but if he dosnt want it dont try and tell him Aaron is doing him a favor. He is a content producer and not a consultant, he should sell the customer want the customer wants.

A refund or other solution needs to be worked out. Not this arrogant "you will thank me for this" bullshit.

I can tell you just aren't reading my words right. I have no idea what the problem is, some of the meaning seems to be getting lost somewhere between my post and your information processor.

Maybe you should reread what I've said and think on it before you reply.

i did read what you said... you said don't post what you "wont do to resolve it"

but like i said... show me something that doesn't involve what i just posted.. and i would be happy to resolve it...

150..........

I find it difficult to believe that you have never heard of her, but I guess it is possible.

Raven has been around for at least 5 years that I can recall.

As far as no one valuing her opinion, I believe Aaron stated earlier that her's was one opinion that did matter to him. I would have thought it would have been in SoS's best interest to use the opportunity to try and resolve this issue.

Must be the negotiator in me coming out again.

Two words:

Bulk


Content

It crossed my mind last night, I'll say it out loud tonight... Dude, some of your posts aren't doing Sam any favors. You are being counterproductive.




SAM --- Pay Aaron, get your license, don't say anything to piss him off further, and hopefully he is then willing to exchange some sets for you. How is that telling the world you are a liar? It would tell me that you're the kind of guy who is willing to go the extra mile to get problems solved.



Is any of this sinking in?

Wheres the gloat? Raven is a close personal friend of Aarons off the board and has been for years. All I see is a friend trying to help a friend.

Not to be rude but... I gotta say after reading this...

So why not just pay the guy then?

Why the drama?

Oh man here comes reality to GFY again ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i am willing to do this, but he told me on icq even after payment.. i wont be able to use the content and that he wont send me the licences.... that is why he made this thread... i would love to just pay him the remainder and exchange the sets.. but doesn't look like anything even remotely close to that would be happening...

if you knew the entire story you would know the agreement was i send 4500CDN and another 800USD when the site was up, established.. and making sales.

but anyways, thats gnna make us start at square 1 again.. i just want to get this resolved.