Are you sending to PIBCash yet? LOL :winkwink:

Why can't you simply admit that if a company wants to shave they will do it, no matter if they use NATS, MPA* or what software ever.

It's a descision the company does, not one that you do for the company.

If they are way better than their competition and make their affiliates more money even if they shave a % who gives a shit.

The better ones win, get over it :)

Ask Chris to who I'm sending :winkwink:

But even if PIBCash would be more profitable in the end (which might apply for some ppl, since they are still open) and pay on time - why not.

Who makes less money because he feels better not being shaved by a less-good converting sponsor... hey, it's their descision.

Some ppl are in this business for money, some for other reasons.

And saying a shaving company is dishonest with everything they do is not really applying as well... Some of the big ones many ppl look up to do it, and they are still here doing business cause they are doing better than others for their affiliates as it seems.

:)

Unfortunately this industry is dominated by the cult of personality. And the other side of that coin is the delight people have when they get the chance to knock down those they put on pedestals in the first place. That's why you are on this thread now...

In reality NATS claimed only that their software made it difficult to shave and had no built-in shave functions, even though a lot of people chose to believe they had said much more than that. The only really significant claim they made, and then only if you take it at face value, was that they would come down on any clients who were caught shaving. In any case what have any of these claims got to do with the functionality issues that this thread was originally about?

You might better ask where the sponsors were - those who are now saying they already had some problems with NATS - when NATS was being boosted so outrageously...

But if we did operate more rationally, look at the choices. Most of those who have adopted script-assisted cascading billing are using either NATS or one of the Mansion products. Mansion has - at least in the past - made it easy for sponsors to cheat their affiliates, so why would any affiliate in his right mind forgive that? Against that, we haven't learned anything in this thread which suggests any widespread issues, so if an affiliate thinks automated cascading billing is a good thing, why wouldn't sponsors using NATS still be the obvious choice?

I know what your whole point is matt, I am extending your idea though and showing where the danger lies anyway even if you do that.

And if you think its easy to register sales correctly through any software, thats ok, continue thinking that... Also, not every processor has detailed tech docs.

I have never argued against it being possible. The only thing I said is that it is less likely to be done with MPA3 or NATS than other apps which are given out with source or are written in-house.

And yes, some people think the same as you. Some people do not give a shit if someone shaves, most do though. Just because you think its ok does not make everyone think that ;)

And yeah, the better sponsor always wins... I absolutely agree.

Well, it's easy to me as i've integrated Epoch, CCBill, ElectraCash, Paypal, and Epassporte before.

I've made my point and got what I needed out of this thread, thanks for playing :)

With all due respect Nathan, what I recall is that when we said that this would be an issue for some, the punches we got back was that our software was full of bugs. Just to refresh your memory.
And btw, we fixed those "bugs" within days of noticing them. Electracash has a solid solution when implemented correctly.

And that is all I have to say about that.

:2 cents:

I honestly do not remember if I myself "attacked" you on the subject with the one problem I mentioned, if I did, I appologize. I also did not in any way mean what I posted here about the mpa issue a year ago in any way negatively, I only said that it happends to everyone.

I am not going to comment on the Electracash stuff...

Isn't it coded in php? You could easily manipulate the database. Clone the files, add pass through files, ect..

If the nats people want to set me up a demo on a ftp account i'll have it shaving 50% in about 30 minutes.

Apology accepted :winkwink:

I personally don't see how it is less likely at all. Unless you guys hosted everything for them. I am not bashing your script at all. I know its good software.

If you can't trust your sponsor then you should prly move in to another one. Not rely on what software they have installed.