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Old 03-26-2005, 01:01 PM   #101
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I have a feeling this thread is a bunch of bs.
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:03 PM   #103
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Right, you can inject it straight into your bloodstream and get high, but snort it and it will kill you. uh-huh.

It was your friend, not the heroin.

Dude when you INJECT heroin you inject a VERY SMALL amount, i dont htink you get that part yet..

Pure heroin when you inject it would fit ont he end of a pencil eraser.

Its less than a tenth of a gram put it that way , if you inject 3 times that amount your dead.

If you snort a line of it ( this would be about 10-20 times what you would inject )

YOU DIE , HE DIED ( my friend ) FROM HEROIN OVERDOSE , WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:03 PM   #104
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This thread reminds me of something..


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why is she doing coke?
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:04 PM   #106
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Fuck you Moron, I know a lot more than you do.
Fuck it. I'm in a grumpy mood.

When you throw down a sentence stating that you know more than someone else, at least back that shit up and don't stop at one sentence.

Such as this reply:

You may know how to post to a message board and repeat that endeavor quite frequently. However, from today's posts, take the ones I've posted and the ones you've posted, compare them and find which ones have actual thought and substance to them.
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the difference between injecting and snorting heroin is only the time it gets you to get high.

8 seconds for injection 10 minutes for snorting.. the same amounts kill you if you take to much , it slows your breathing till you stop breathing essentially.
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From one line?

I have no idea...


the stories that are most often relayed are in regards to how fast the addiction came on usually are in reference to the first time they injected it...


but again, I have no direct knowlege of it, just that it's a powerful ass drug, and from the sounds of it a lot more addictive than coke, I've done my fair share of shit in the 80s but never did heroin...
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from what i've heard, heroin is addictive as fuck, and yeah i've heard of dealers selling heroin as coke just to get ppl hooked and coming back.
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I don't know if you've read both pages or not. I made an initial and emotional post of which I followed up with a more thoughtful one after reading Jawa's description of events.

Your post makes no sense relative to what I have posted to this thread. And the psych person you mention with actual credentials - I don't want to post about that because I have serious disbeliefs of professional psychologists in the first place. For one to need to pay for another person to tell them they have issues, when the person talking has never experienced them; there's an inherent and more problematic issue involved than the original issue trying to be addressed.
I was just stating that Evil Jawa should have handled it differently then he had did...and my references to other bizarre occurrences that shouldn?t take place as well unless your actually trying to appear on Springer........there is a right way to handle shit and a wrong way......it may be seen to someone as ?contributing to the delinquency?.


As for psych people....I never said there not fucked up as well.....it?s a vicious cycle........shrinks have shrinks.
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I have no idea...


the stories that are most often relayed are in regards to how fast the addiction came on usually are in reference to the first time they injected it...


but again, I have no direct knowlege of it, just that it's a powerful ass drug, and from the sounds of it a lot more addictive than coke, I've done my fair share of shit in the 80s but never did heroin...

Its basically the difference between crack and cocaine,

Like if you snorted 3 grams of cut coke you would prob be ok , but if you snorted 3 grams of crack all crushed up you would most likely die , or have a really rough night.

But you would know the difference.
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Dude when you INJECT heroin you inject a VERY SMALL amount, i dont htink you get that part yet..

You obviously missed my comment on page 1 that you are talking to the wrong guy when you want to discuss heroin usage. You do not know shit.
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I was just stating that Evil Jawa should have handled it differently then he had did...and my references to other bizarre occurrences that shouldn?t take place as well unless your actually trying to appear on Springer........there is a right way to handle shit and a wrong way......it may be seen to someone as ?contributing to the delinquency?.


As for psych people....I never said there not fucked up as well.....it?s a vicious cycle........shrinks have shrinks.
No worries man. We're just throwing verbiage down on a public message board. Cheers.
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Dude when you INJECT heroin you inject a VERY SMALL amount, i dont htink you get that part yet..

Pure heroin when you inject it would fit ont he end of a pencil eraser.

Its less than a tenth of a gram put it that way , if you inject 3 times that amount your dead.

If you snort a line of it ( this would be about 10-20 times what you would inject )

YOU DIE , HE DIED ( my friend ) FROM HEROIN OVERDOSE , WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND
Huh!?

"Although insufflation (snorting/sniffing) is perhaps the most common way heroin is now used in the Americas and Europe, we have little information about the pure dosages which are used. Often heroin users will be taught about how much to insufflate from the person they first try it with and then simply titrate their own dose as they wish by increasing or decreasing the size of the line used. Our guesstimate is that doses for insufflation are probably between 10 and 50 mg for less tolerant people and 20 to 80 mg for those who use frequently."

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/hero...oin_dose.shtml
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You obviously missed my comment on page 1 that you are talking to the wrong guy when you want to discuss heroin usage. You do not know shit.

So what are you saying then , you cant die from snorting a half gram of pure heroin ?

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"When injected, all of the heroin enters the blood stream at once, increasing the risk of overdose. Snorting and "chasing" can also lead to an overdose"
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Its basically the difference between crack and cocaine,

Like if you snorted 3 grams of cut coke you would prob be ok , but if you snorted 3 grams of crack all crushed up you would most likely die , or have a really rough night.

But you would know the difference.

that's pretty damm different for sure...
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"When injected, all of the heroin enters the blood stream at once, increasing the risk of overdose. Snorting and "chasing" can also lead to an overdose"
http://dancesafe.org/documents/druginfo/heroin.php
When you snort it, less than 60% will actually go into the bloodstream. There is a big difference between snorting and injecting.

Well of course you can overdose when snorting it. You can also overdose from snorting a shitload of cocaine (it's extremely rare), but that doesn't mean that you will automatically DIE from snorting heroin.
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"http://www.drugpolicy.org/drugbydrug/heroin/


Smoking and snorting heroin can also result in overdose, especially if a non-tolerant user ingests a large amount of potent heroin "

Need i say more or do you want to continue telling me my friend just happened to accidently die with nothing in his system but heroin shortly after snorting it and it wasnt the heroin ?
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When you snort it, less than 60% will actually go into the bloodstream. There is a big difference between snorting and injecting.

Well of course you can overdose when snorting it. You can also overdose from snorting cocaine, but that doesn't mean that you will automatically DIE from snorting heroin.
I never said you would , i simply said you would die if you snorted lines of heroin thinking they were coke.

Like 1/2 gram of heroing snorted will kill you ( will kill almost anyone but an experienced heroin user )

The whole point is His duaghter is 17 isnt experienced she could have the same thing happen as what happened to my friend
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Actually it's sad that this guy is quite typical of MOST of webmasters on GFY. Most feel they are above the law and rules are for everybody else. It seems like the majority have criminal records and some have been convicted of serious felonies. Many brag about their drug and alcohol abuse. Any form or business ethics is a foreign concept.

Is it a surprise the girl is on coke given the role model she has to follow? Its one thing to fuck up your own life, its really pathetic when HELP your offspring do the same.

I am wanted in 7 states and the District of Columbia

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Is it a surprise the girl is on coke given the role model she has to follow? Its one thing to fuck up your own life, its really pathetic when HELP your offspring do the same.
That?s a cycle that people that have been through some sort of severe abuse or major trauma give back to there children.......

Why is it that the Wife endures beatings by her ?loving? husband and then the daughter grows up and expects that same sort of "love" from her husband?

I could go on and on........
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I don't care what everyone else says.
You are the father.
Discipline your daughter and do not allow her to do ANY drugs, even smoke up. What you are not understanding apparantly, is that you are her father - she looks up to you, and if you show her that it's okay to do ANY drug (yes, that includes alcohol) then you are putting her in a BAD position.
STOP her from using. Get her help if necessary.
You know, for the longest time I never believed that babble about weed being a gateway drug. It isn't, physically, but most kids that smoke pot develop a curiosity that wasn't there before. Most kids will look for a new high, and this is extremely dangerous because pretty much every other drug besides pot is very unstable. Now...maybe I could understand this situation a little better if we were talking about pot here...but..fuck...cocaine?

You didn't make a mistake. You made a decision. Change it now, not tomorrow.
Ask yourself this:
Do you want to see your daughter DEAD?
Do you want to see her lying in the hospital hooked up to various machines just to help her breathe?
Do you really want to hear about your daughter getting RAPED at a party?
How about being arrested?

Be a fucking father for christ's sake.

I speak out of experience, believe me. The road she is headed to is NOT the road you will want to see her take. No drug is safe. Not one.

Fuck being a hypocrite. Sit your daughter down and TELL her straight-up, you WILL NOT tolerate ANY drug use from her. I don't care if you are a raging heroin addict, SHE IS YOUR DAUGHTER. TELL HER YOU WILL NOT TOLERATE DRUG USE FROM HER.
Don't threaten her, and don't even think about kicking her out of the house, even for a little while to show her a lesson. That would be an extremely bad move.

BE A MAN!
BE A FATHER!
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You obviously missed my comment on page 1 that you are talking to the wrong guy when you want to discuss heroin usage. You do not know shit.
Actually i caught that , but thought you meant you knew nothing about it and thats why you were the wrong person to ask

Thats why i was being sort of vague.

Then you obviously know you wouldnt snort 1/2 gram of heroin , you would be dead as a doornail ( unless it was awfully shitty heroin )


I have never injected it , but i have smoked and snorted it , so im not claiming to be an expert ( and i only smoked/snorted it a few times when i was younger )

But im telling anyone who doesnt understand , yes you could EASILY die from snorting heroing thinking it was coke , especially if you werent experienced in coke and was used to getting cut coke.
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I have no idea...


the stories that are most often relayed are in regards to how fast the addiction came on usually are in reference to the first time they injected it...


but again, I have no direct knowlege of it, just that it's a powerful ass drug, and from the sounds of it a lot more addictive than coke, I've done my fair share of shit in the 80s but never did heroin...
I have done both, snorted both, injected both . . . sometimes at the same time. Coke is much more addictive than heroin, and I believe I have read studies that they have conducted on lab rats that shows coke will kill you faster than heroin simply because heroin will usually put you to sleep before you can OD while coke will keep you awake, allowing you to continue injesting it until you OD.

Coke is a lot harder to kick than heroin. Crack is the drug that will get you addicted the quickest (often, once is all it takes). I have based a couple times, but it was a way too unsocial means to do it, so I backed off. Wouldn't even try crack.
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Its basically the difference between crack and cocaine,

Like if you snorted 3 grams of cut coke you would prob be ok ,
Dude, you are talking out your ass. You could not snort 3 grams of coke by yourself if you tried.
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I have done both, snorted both, injected both . . . sometimes at the same time. Coke is much more addictive than heroin, and I believe I have read studies that they have conducted on lab rats that shows coke will kill you faster than heroin simply because heroin will usually put you to sleep before you can OD while coke will keep you awake, allowing you to continue injesting it until you OD.

Coke is a lot harder to kick than heroin. Crack is the drug that will get you addicted the quickest (often, once is all it takes). I have based a couple times, but it was a way too unsocial means to do it, so I backed off. Wouldn't even try crack.

i think alot of that is in opinion. I never injected heroin and that prob means alot , but i dont htink its as bad either but i dont think coke or crakc are worse. I think speed is the most addictive, then prob crack, then heroin then coke

As far as dying crack and coke often kill people but its not technically an od, like a heart attack or stroke. so yes prob more likely to die using one of those.

But heroin is alot harder to kick.

I have done almost every drug so thats where my opion comes from if that helps.

I think the best way to judge it is to watch people you know.

I have had crackhead friends, heroin freinds, speed friend and heres what i noticed..

A few of the crackheads/cokeheads are no longer crackheads , a few are AWOL a few dead , but most of them even the bad ones still lead a life ( like even a job )

Every heroin user i have ever known is either dead or still using it. ( sme manage to live normal lives despite the addiction , some are on methadone , but i still count that as being addicted )

Every speed addict i have ever known is still doing it ( but none of them dead yet ) Brains fried on that shit
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So what are you saying then , you cant die from snorting a half gram of pure heroin ?

BULLSHIT

#1 Who said anything about a half gram?
#2 Who saif anything about pure heroin?
#3 You couldn't find pure heroin if you tried.
#4. Who the fuck snorts a half gram?
#5 I have doubts you realize how much a half gram is.
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Evil Jawa, tell it to the Judge. You're unfit to be a parent. You probably only have a few years left to have a big impact on your daughter's life (if that), so make the best of it by setting her on the proper path.

Otherwise if she becomes a junkie, and either robs you blind or OD's, this day will come back to haunt you.

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Dude, you are talking out your ass. You could not snort 3 grams of coke by yourself if you tried.

Yes , cut coke, maybe 60 pure 40 buff i have done well over an 8 ball at one time( well maybe more like over a half hour )
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:44 PM   #137
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#1 Who said anything about a half gram?
#2 Who saif anything about pure heroin?
#3 You couldn't find pure heroin if you tried.
#4. Who the fuck snorts a half gram?
#5 I have doubts you realize how much a half gram is.


#1 I DID

#2 I never said anything about pure heroin , i simply used it as an example such as.

IN THIS EXAMPLE IF HIS DAUGHTER BOUGHT A HALF GRAM OF COKE FROM A DEALER AND HE GAVE HER A HALF GRAM OF HEROIN BY MISTAKE AND SHE SNORTED IT SHE WOULD BE DEAD


#3 i live in the heroin capital of north america , we have the purest heroin in the north america

#4 lots of people ( of coke , if they did it with heroin they would be dead as i pointed out )

#5 im beginning to have doubts you arent on heroin right now
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:44 PM   #138
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must have been pure crap
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Old 03-26-2005, 01:47 PM   #139
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must have been pure crap

What kind of quality coke do you think a 17 year old girl is going to find ?

and yes it was.lol
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:10 PM   #140
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dramaqueens. Yeah sure he fucked up but he now has one advantage: he has placed himself on his daughters level.
Now is the time to get sober and go and alk to her.
NOT lecture her; talk, ask her why, tell her about your expreience, ask how long she's doing it, ...,.... talk, talk, talk without getting angry, stay on her level.
Be the understanding parent. Chanches are pretty high that she just uses it because some cool "friends" do it.
Don't tell her to stop: make her see that it isn't cool at all, again without lecturing.
And VERY important:tell her why this hurts you so much.

Ignore the idiots that flame you for this one. Every parent makes mistakes and somtimes a small mistake can mess up a kid worse than a big one.
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:10 PM   #141
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Dude, you are talking out your ass. You could not snort 3 grams of coke by yourself if you tried.
At once.. no... in a 24 hour long binge yes. Hehe maybe I could do it in 12 hours... never tried.
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:13 PM   #142
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:16 PM   #143
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that was pretty stupid of you
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:17 PM   #144
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Fuck off. I never even heard of you until this morning and I already know you make poor decisions.

1. Snorting coke with your minor daughter (at least a felony and a misdemeanor)

2. Announcing it on GFY.

And what shoes would that be? Raising a teenager? Already been there, done that. Major difference being that while I survived a life of abusing everything under the sun, I was able to successfully raise two children without them getting involved in drugs.



That is my son. I don't think I will be walking in on him doing rails anytime soon.

Baddog is a wise man, listen to him
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:22 PM   #145
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What's funny is when you meet people doing coke who say it's "really good" and you notice it doesn't look right. You put a finger in the pile, taste it, and it tastes sweeter than it does sour.


Nothing like half glucose to make your cocaine "really good"


I remember in school a guy used to smoke tea leaves to look cool.
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:23 PM   #146
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thats insane dude really id find something better to do i reckon then sniffing with my doughter
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:25 PM   #147
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I remember in school a guy used to smoke tea leaves to look cool.
Do you still smoke your tea or do you drink it now?
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:26 PM   #148
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What's funny is when you meet people doing coke who say it's "really good" and you notice it doesn't look right. You put a finger in the pile, taste it, and it tastes sweeter than it does sour.


Nothing like half glucose to make your cocaine "really good"


I remember in school a guy used to smoke tea leaves to look cool.

Smoking tea.........reminds me of a song..........


It ain?t easy
Livin? like a gypsy
Tell ya honey how I feel
I?ve been dreamin?
Floatin? down the stream n?
Losin? touch with all that?s real

Whole earth lover
Keepin? under cover
Never know where ya been
You?ve been fadin?
Always out paradin?
Keep in touch with mama kin

Well you?ve always got your tail on the wag
Shootin? fire from your mouth
Just like a dragon
You act like a perpertual drag
You better check it out
?cause someday soon you?ll have to
Climb back on a wagon

It ain?t easy
Livin? like you wanna
It?s so hard to find peace of mind
Yes it is
The way I see it
You gotta say shit
But don?t forget to drop me a line

Said, you?re bald as an egg when you?re eighteen
Workin? for your dad is just a drag
You still stuff your mouth with your dreams
You better check it out
?cause someday soon you?ll have to
Climb back on the wagon

Keep in touch with mama kin
Tell her were you?ve gone and been
Livin? out your fantasy
Sleepin? late and smokin? tea

Keep in touch with mama kin
Tell her were you?ve gone and been
Livin? out your fantasy
Sleepin? late and smokin? tea

It ain?t easy
Livin? like you wanna
It?s so hard to find peace of mind
Yes it is
The way I see it
You gotta say shit
But don?t forget to drop me a line

Said you?re bald as an egg at eighteen
Workin? for your dad is just a drag
You still stuff your mouth with your dream
You better check it out
?cause someday soon you?ll have to
Climb back on the wagon

Keep in touch with mama kin
Tell her were you?ve gone and been
Livin? out your fantasy
Sleepin? late and smokin? tea

Keep in touch with mama kin
Tell her were you?ve gone and been
Livin? out your fantasy
Sleepin? late and smokin? tea
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:38 PM   #149
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#1 I DID

#2 I never said anything about pure heroin , i simply used it as an example such as.

IN THIS EXAMPLE IF HIS DAUGHTER BOUGHT A HALF GRAM OF COKE FROM A DEALER AND HE GAVE HER A HALF GRAM OF HEROIN BY MISTAKE AND SHE SNORTED IT SHE WOULD BE DEAD


#3 i live in the heroin capital of north america , we have the purest heroin in the north america

#4 lots of people ( of coke , if they did it with heroin they would be dead as i pointed out )

#5 im beginning to have doubts you arent on heroin right now


If you were to snort a half gram you would figure out it wasnt coke after the first couple of lines.
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Old 03-26-2005, 02:45 PM   #150
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you should be shot up with that shit and left to die.

even as a joke, this isn't the slightest bit funny.
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