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So how do we get through to all these Christians in the U.S....
...and inform them that the President they so love is NOT a Christian in any biblical sense of the term, but actually someone who is hurting their church and going directly against the word of God according to His own Book?
Seems simple enough, but I think it will take some serious silent infiltration into the chruch as well as a lot of $$ to accomplish. But oh! what a worthy cause. I'm not even a Christian, but I so desire to see the Church restored to it's original moral principles / ideals within my lifetime. George Bush a Christian ... ![]() Ideas? ![]() -P |
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You CANNOT talk sense to people who are inherently allergic to sense.
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To be honest with you, I think more of the people that dont like him keep reminding people that he is a christian as opposed to the people who voted for him. I dont remember the word "jesusland" on his campaign posters. Silently infiltrate the church??.... Thats just good politics. Dont think you won't see hillary in black churches. |
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interesting point indeed.
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"The mission of the Christian Coalition is simple," says Pat Robertson. It is "to mobilize Christians -- one precinct at a time, one community at a time -- until once again we are the head and not the tail, and at the top rather than the bottom of our political system." Robertson predicts that "the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful political force in America by the end of this decade." And, "We have enough votes to run this country...and when the people say, 'We've had enough,' we're going to take over!"--Pat Robertson
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aren't state affairs (like the law and such) and religion supposed to be seperated in the USA? |
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It doesn't say that the elected representatives of the people cant govern and make decisiosn based on religious values. If the people dont like their values, they shouldn't vote for them. If they are elected, that means the majority of the people have the same or similiar values. The constitution is often misinterpreted or misrepresented by politics. It says that congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;.." -- First Amendment -- |
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Religion is Evil!!!
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Fundies love to take the Jesus out of Christianity. You think James Dobson or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell follow these words?
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, "Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
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If you actually treat Christians and Evangelicals with respect and stop talking down to them like they are stupid, maybe take the time to clearly explain your views to them exactly as your values state and compare them to Christian values I find that they usually respond very well. I had a talk with a long-time friends mother a few days actually, she is very religious and voted for Bush for that reason. I explained to her why I believed Bush's policies were not of Christian values and exactly the opposite, by the end of the conversation she admitted she felt tricked into making a very big mistake when she voted and believes Bush is the antichrist now. Of course I also had to put up with her trying to "save" me for the next two hours, but I figured I'd listen since she put up with my politics for a while. ![]() I imagine if I told her she was a dumb ass religious nut who couldn't put two words together to make an intelligent statement if the bible didn't do it for her and tried to sell her on the idea that all people who are Christians are stupid mindless morons who dropped out of high school to marry their cousins, she would have left that conversation an even bigger, prouder Bush supporter than she already was. Now she is not. Maybe the Christian Coalition figured out along time ago they could rally strong support by playing on the fact that so many "Liberals" talk down to and "threaten" religion in their favor? You should actually read their mailers, they do state that the Christians in this country are under attack and that only the Conservative Republicans can save them, some even go as far as to say all Democrats and Liberals are tools of Satan and all you have to do to prove it is to look around and see how they talk down to "us". Then what do they see, a bunch of liberals telling them they are mindless idiots and saying you should not waste your time on them. Great way to prove their point for them, seems like we are our own biggest enemies in this battle. Maybe if we wasted more time on them and treated them with the same respect we wish they treated us with they would see the right-wingers for what they really are. We all know Conservative politicians don't give two shits about God or Christians, they just use them for their strong activation/mobilization tactics. Basically I am saying we need to practice what we preach, we (progressives/liberals) believe this country was founded in large part on the basis of religious and cultural tolerance, therefore maybe we should respect and tolerate the Christians and other religious folks the same way we ask to be respected and tolerated for our beliefs, or disbeliefs. Religion has no place in politics and politics has no place in religion, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Locke, Jackson, Monroe, all of these men had very firm religious beliefs and were devout Christians, but they all believed religion (while it could be used as a moral guide) could never be incorporated into politics in a true Democracy where ALL religions are to be respected equally. So politics must focus on the needs of the people and the State, not the needs of the religions. Remember majority rules is a perversion of Democracy (mob rule), true Democracy is a majority rule with strong respect for the significant minority. |
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the editorial cartoon does make sense
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Everything you said in your post about treating religious people with respect was kind of nullified that by the fact that you called regligous people mindless easily led sheep who fear the boogeyman.
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Actually please find where I even used the words easily, led, sheep, fear, and/or boogeyman. |
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Now I know, next time I will try to keep my laughter to myself whenever I speak to someone who believes in the "imaginary man in the sky" ![]() |
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Put yourself in their shoes, they probably laugh at you for thinking God is the "imaginary man in the sky." I understand it gets annoying with a lot of "born agains" and people like that who are always trying to push their religious beliefs on everyone else, but then its their right, and you know maybe they have good intentions, if they didn't care about you they wouldn't try to "convert" you. I suppose I feel like I have no right to judge them when I am always trying to push my political beliefs on others. ![]() |
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Mmmm... well, no. Did you think it was a democracy???? Sure, it's called that, but it's just a label to keep it simple.
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I think the Military should use this "new found religion" that has supposedly erupted in this country. They could use it in their recruiting slogan:
"Join The Army, Go to Iraq, Meet Jesus sooner than expected!" Seems to me you would a HUGE Christian Jihad taking place then. ![]()
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