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SleazyDream · 12-17-2001, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks:
you're pretty good with your comeback lines.

was that 12clicks admitting he got BURNED?????????????????

TheFLY · 12-17-2001, 04:23 PM

[quote]Originally posted by SleazyDream:
[b]

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks:
Traffic disappears far faster than revenue.
traffic is cheap.

Beer disappears faster than you can drink it.

[This message has been edited by TheFLY (edited 12-17-2001).]

BV · 12-17-2001, 04:46 PM

Well Terry,
I haven't heard from VOYMASTER.COM yet and I see you are still linking to a CHEATER and also you are making profits from a CHEATER'S traffic. What does that make you? Where is this guy at? if you say he is your friend and you have done business with him so long, I'd figure he would be here by now????
:-(
BV
don't want us to see his ip?

TheFLY · 12-17-2001, 04:50 PM

IP's these day don't mean too much

kmanrox · 12-17-2001, 04:56 PM

i only make 2$ a day off of my 300k+ hits (collectively)

im thinking of starting a lawn care biz in southern california, any potential clients out there??

12clicks · 12-17-2001, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
was that 12clicks admitting he got BURNED?????????????????

Um, yeah. you got me.

Hey, does your bank laugh at you EVERY time you try to deposit hits or just most of the time?

Backov · 12-17-2001, 07:10 PM

I quite agree with 12clicks - after having written anti-cheat code for my traffic trading script, and seeing the huge percentage of traded traffic that IS bogus these days, I would NEVER buy a TGP without verified sales numbers, screw the fucking traffic. There's just no way to tell whether you're buying 100k TGP of which 80k is hit bot traffic.

Cheers,
Backov

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SleazyDream · 12-17-2001, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks:
Um, yeah. you got me.

Hey, does your bank laugh at you EVERY time you try to deposit hits or just most of the time?

Come on man, look at where I live. ANY deposit, even pennies, makes my banker SING!!

Comeon, EVERYbody sing.
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SleazyDream · 12-17-2001, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Backov:
I quite agree with 12clicks - after having written anti-cheat code for my traffic trading script, and seeing the huge percentage of traded traffic that IS bogus these days, I would NEVER buy a TGP without verified sales numbers, screw the fucking traffic. There's just no way to tell whether you're buying 100k TGP of which 80k is hit bot traffic.

Cheers,
Backov

Your problem, as you state it, is is your reliance on code. Code is fooled VERY easily. Know who you are buying from. Know the history of what you are buying. Know referneces from people who talk about the seller. Much less chance of getting burned. But you can get burned just as easily buying a paysite. I trust references from PEOPLE much more than CODE.

Same thing goes for trading traffic now. Who the hell wants to trade with someone without references? I'm pretty much at the stage where if I don't know any of your references I don't want to trade with you cause the chances of you sending me hitbot traffic is JUST too high. References take time to build, and they show commitment, reliabilaty and trustworthyness.

References
References
References
Code/scripts is/are secondary.

Backov · 12-17-2001, 09:43 PM

Who was talking about code? I wasn't - I was talking about traffic, and my analysis of it in the course of developing code to help detect cheaters and hitbots. And a LARGE percentage of traffic out there is shit, right now there's an epidemic of hitbotters and such, just hit AWI and check it out.

Your point was I should deal with a trustable person - that's the problem.. Since there's so few scripts out there that can detect cheaters (UCJ for instance is easily fooled), they DON'T KNOW that they're getting cheated.. So sure, they can say in complete honesty that "Ya, we're getting 100k", and not have any idea that they're wrong. That's why I would never buy a site unless I had a chance to root around in the logs and run some traffic analysis for a few days first.. Either that, or like I said, verified sales figures.

Traffic can suck my dick, it's all about the money.

Cheers,
Backov

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[This message has been edited by Backov (edited 12-17-2001).]

BV · 12-18-2001, 12:05 AM

Backov,

That makes perfectly good and logical sense. I don't see how anyone could argue with that statement. Especially when there are so many CHEATERS out there these days!

BV

Brad Mitchell · 12-18-2001, 02:07 AM

When I first got into the business I bought paysites and paid the equivalent of one year of gross revenue. I got defrauded on the purchase, but that's not your question.. I would say that your site is likely worth a solid 8-12 months net revenue.

You stated that much of your traffic is from purchased advertising. So, in theory any purchasing webmaster could continue to buy the same advertisements and maintain traffic levels.. After all, this business is ONLY about traffic.

Assuming a worst case scenario of getting dropped from SE's and other 'free' linkings, it would likely take at least 6 months for that to happen if your referring base is diverse.

The biggest question you'll have to ask yourself if you want to sell is are you going to offer terms to the purchasing party. Most large businesses are sold with a note, X down and X/mo for X months. Discounts always for a cash purchase.

I'd give some thought on if you would offer terms. If you would be open to terms, what type of deal suits your goals... and how do you plan on qualifying the purchasing party.

Best of Luck! ICQ me if you want a rediculous offer

Brad

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OnTime · 12-18-2001, 07:56 AM

So, The REalEd, or Anyone else looking to valuate their paysite(s). What would you guys be willing to actually sell for? Is it really worth selling??

TheRealEd · 12-18-2001, 08:21 AM

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[This message has been edited by TheRealEd (edited 12-20-2001).]

quiet · 12-18-2001, 11:01 AM

{semi serious}

i basically agree with Terry. i sometimes like to think about spinning off my largest paysite and it's associated qualified traffic. it would be the easiest to sell in terms of another company taking it over (ie it would be absorbed fairly easily), it has a track record of growing steadily over a number of years, and has several unique attributes that make it imo more valuable than a run of the mill paysite (such as exclusive broadband content, among other things).

total monthly revenue = 200K/month. costs are around 60K/month, so 140K net monthly revenue.

even on the 12 month gauge, that is only 1.68M. I could never sell it at that price, as we have continued to grow at very solid rate for several years now. logically it makes sense to just keep going. but the idea of being able to cut down heavily on my workload after 4 years, is always a motivation to sell.

{/semi serious}

fantasyc · 12-18-2001, 11:10 AM

Why would you sell?

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hollywood · 12-18-2001, 04:58 PM

Terry,

The poor bastards that work for you must be shitting their pants about now..

ROFL

TheRealEd · 12-18-2001, 05:33 PM

They know that I'll take care of them :-)

No worries.

Terry

12-19-2001, 10:53 AM

Ey Terry!

I just checked the counters of your sites. Why do they all show much less traffic than you state here? The other thing is: You claim to have total costs of us$30,000 a month including bandwidth. If you serve 300 pics for free everyday to 400,000 freebies, you would have much higher expenses for bandwidth. Maybe you copied the voyuerweb concepts not as good as you brag here?! Whatever it is, I say you are a liar. And I say your websites are worth a shit, because you might lose them any minute. Its only a question of time. I hope this answered your question...

TheRealEd · 12-19-2001, 11:09 AM

Everyone... say hello to Rio aka Igor from voyeurweb.com - He is just pissed that I do it a lot better than he does....

:-)

Terry

BV · 12-19-2001, 08:26 PM

That's Right Folks,

Igor is to Voyeurism as Henry Ford is to automobiles.
I must say that before I ever had a website I would send Igor a contri every bnow and again. He inspired me to make my own Original site almost 4 years ago. If you havent checked out Voyeurweb.com, do so, and then go look at all the copycats that follow his look!

Peace!
BV

Welcome Igor!

TheFLY · 12-19-2001, 10:48 PM

Where is he?

12-20-2001, 11:39 AM

I am not Igor. But he might show up soon. I forwarded him your postings about the money you make with his work (that was before you deleted your postings).
What happened, RealEd? Did you pee your pants? Why did you remove all your previous postings from this thread? Is it because I posted the URL of your postings on your own forum or is it because you turn to chickenshit when you read the name Igor?
You said you are making a fortune by copying Igor ideas. Thats wrong! You not only copied many of Igors ideas and concepts, but also copied one of my concepts.
Let me tell you something: Many webmasters copy ideas, functions, footage and more. But they dont brag about the money they make by stealing others work. You walk around like a rooster, but are nothing like a little cheap thief, RealEd. I took it easy, until I read the BS you posted at this forum. Now its time for revenge, RealEd. See you at your own forum, you genius mastermind, LOL.!!!!! And if you see Igor here, please let him now, that I

WELCOME IGOR

but I am to busy to wait for him here. You copied me, now I copy and paste you. And I have a nice little xmas gifts for you. Check your forum these days! Check your instants. Check the pictures you post. Check your members base. Check the links on your TGP. There are and will be sweet surprises all over your place. ROFLMAO. Happy holidays little rooster aka chickenshit.
Rio Bravo Delta aka "Nopassxxx"

Theo · 12-20-2001, 01:02 PM

i have already edited two of my posts. This game is spreading like virus!! 2940 more to go! i have to hurry up

fuck! boneprone has to edit 6000 posts or something?? poor him!

BV · 12-20-2001, 04:20 PM

Looks like a good time to sell, and fast !!!!

The moral to this story is: Don't Cheat!
and if you are stupid enough to admit doing so and brag about it on a public webmaster board, well that's your own tough luck!

Like I've always said:

"If your gonna be dumb you gotta be tough!"

Later All,
BV

Ted · 12-20-2001, 04:27 PM

1. Go buy a copy of Playboy
2. Go buy a copy of Penthouse
3. Make a list of all the similarities in the magazines.
4. Stop Bitching

Packer · 12-21-2001, 03:53 PM

Rio,

I understand that he copied Igor, but what idea did he copy from you?

BV · 12-21-2001, 05:51 PM

you must be a stockholer hahahaha

12-17-2001, 04:46 PM	#103
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Well Terry, I haven't heard from VOYMASTER.COM yet and I see you are still linking to a CHEATER and also you are making profits from a CHEATER'S traffic. What does that make you? Where is this guy at? if you say he is your friend and you have done business with him so long, I'd figure he would be here by now???? :-( BV don't want us to see his ip?

12-17-2001, 04:50 PM	#104
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	IP's these day don't mean too much

12-17-2001, 04:56 PM	#105
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,295	i only make 2$ a day off of my 300k+ hits (collectively) im thinking of starting a lawn care biz in southern california, any potential clients out there??

12-17-2001, 07:10 PM	#107
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	I quite agree with 12clicks - after having written anti-cheat code for my traffic trading script, and seeing the huge percentage of traded traffic that IS bogus these days, I would NEVER buy a TGP without verified sales numbers, screw the fucking traffic. There's just no way to tell whether you're buying 100k TGP of which 80k is hit bot traffic. Cheers, Backov ------------------ AVSBlitz - Build AVS Sites Faster and Better

12-17-2001, 09:43 PM	#110
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Who was talking about code? I wasn't - I was talking about traffic, and my analysis of it in the course of developing code to help detect cheaters and hitbots. And a LARGE percentage of traffic out there is shit, right now there's an epidemic of hitbotters and such, just hit AWI and check it out. Your point was I should deal with a trustable person - that's the problem.. Since there's so few scripts out there that can detect cheaters (UCJ for instance is easily fooled), they DON'T KNOW that they're getting cheated.. So sure, they can say in complete honesty that "Ya, we're getting 100k", and not have any idea that they're wrong. That's why I would never buy a site unless I had a chance to root around in the logs and run some traffic analysis for a few days first.. Either that, or like I said, verified sales figures. Traffic can suck my dick, it's all about the money. Cheers, Backov ------------------ AVSBlitz - Build AVS Sites Faster and Better [This message has been edited by Backov (edited 12-17-2001).]

12-18-2001, 12:05 AM	#111
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Backov, That makes perfectly good and logical sense. I don't see how anyone could argue with that statement. Especially when there are so many CHEATERS out there these days! BV

12-18-2001, 02:07 AM	#112
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	When I first got into the business I bought paysites and paid the equivalent of one year of gross revenue. I got defrauded on the purchase, but that's not your question.. I would say that your site is likely worth a solid 8-12 months net revenue. You stated that much of your traffic is from purchased advertising. So, in theory any purchasing webmaster could continue to buy the same advertisements and maintain traffic levels.. After all, this business is ONLY about traffic. Assuming a worst case scenario of getting dropped from SE's and other 'free' linkings, it would likely take at least 6 months for that to happen if your referring base is diverse. The biggest question you'll have to ask yourself if you want to sell is are you going to offer terms to the purchasing party. Most large businesses are sold with a note, X down and X/mo for X months. Discounts always for a cash purchase. I'd give some thought on if you would offer terms. If you would be open to terms, what type of deal suits your goals... and how do you plan on qualifying the purchasing party. Best of Luck! ICQ me if you want a rediculous offer Brad ------------------

12-18-2001, 07:56 AM	#113
OnTime Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 403	So, The REalEd, or Anyone else looking to valuate their paysite(s). What would you guys be willing to actually sell for? Is it really worth selling??

12-18-2001, 08:21 AM	#114
TheRealEd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 127	... [This message has been edited by TheRealEd (edited 12-20-2001).]

12-18-2001, 11:01 AM	#115
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	{semi serious} i basically agree with Terry. i sometimes like to think about spinning off my largest paysite and it's associated qualified traffic. it would be the easiest to sell in terms of another company taking it over (ie it would be absorbed fairly easily), it has a track record of growing steadily over a number of years, and has several unique attributes that make it imo more valuable than a run of the mill paysite (such as exclusive broadband content, among other things). total monthly revenue = 200K/month. costs are around 60K/month, so 140K net monthly revenue. even on the 12 month gauge, that is only 1.68M. I could never sell it at that price, as we have continued to grow at very solid rate for several years now. logically it makes sense to just keep going. but the idea of being able to cut down heavily on my workload after 4 years, is always a motivation to sell. {/semi serious}

12-18-2001, 11:10 AM	#116
fantasyc Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: bellevue,wa 98007 Posts: 672	Why would you sell? ------------------ Tracy ;) Fantasy Content http://www.fantasycontent.com XXX Webmaster Resource Forums www.xxxwebmasterresource.com

12-18-2001, 04:58 PM	#117
hollywood Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 483	Terry, The poor bastards that work for you must be shitting their pants about now.. ROFL

12-18-2001, 05:33 PM	#118
TheRealEd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 127	They know that I'll take care of them :-) No worries. Terry

12-19-2001, 10:53 AM	#119
Rio Guest Posts: n/a	Ey Terry! I just checked the counters of your sites. Why do they all show much less traffic than you state here? The other thing is: You claim to have total costs of us$30,000 a month including bandwidth. If you serve 300 pics for free everyday to 400,000 freebies, you would have much higher expenses for bandwidth. Maybe you copied the voyuerweb concepts not as good as you brag here?! Whatever it is, I say you are a liar. And I say your websites are worth a shit, because you might lose them any minute. Its only a question of time. I hope this answered your question...

12-19-2001, 11:09 AM	#120
TheRealEd Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 127	Everyone... say hello to Rio aka Igor from voyeurweb.com - He is just pissed that I do it a lot better than he does.... :-) Terry

12-19-2001, 08:26 PM	#121
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	That's Right Folks, Igor is to Voyeurism as Henry Ford is to automobiles. I must say that before I ever had a website I would send Igor a contri every bnow and again. He inspired me to make my own Original site almost 4 years ago. If you havent checked out Voyeurweb.com, do so, and then go look at all the copycats that follow his look! Peace! BV Welcome Igor!

12-19-2001, 10:48 PM	#122
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Where is he?

12-20-2001, 11:39 AM	#123
Rio Guest Posts: n/a	I am not Igor. But he might show up soon. I forwarded him your postings about the money you make with his work (that was before you deleted your postings). What happened, RealEd? Did you pee your pants? Why did you remove all your previous postings from this thread? Is it because I posted the URL of your postings on your own forum or is it because you turn to chickenshit when you read the name Igor? You said you are making a fortune by copying Igor ideas. Thats wrong! You not only copied many of Igors ideas and concepts, but also copied one of my concepts. Let me tell you something: Many webmasters copy ideas, functions, footage and more. But they dont brag about the money they make by stealing others work. You walk around like a rooster, but are nothing like a little cheap thief, RealEd. I took it easy, until I read the BS you posted at this forum. Now its time for revenge, RealEd. See you at your own forum, you genius mastermind, LOL.!!!!! And if you see Igor here, please let him now, that I WELCOME IGOR but I am to busy to wait for him here. You copied me, now I copy and paste you. And I have a nice little xmas gifts for you. Check your forum these days! Check your instants. Check the pictures you post. Check your members base. Check the links on your TGP. There are and will be sweet surprises all over your place. ROFLMAO. Happy holidays little rooster aka chickenshit. Rio Bravo Delta aka "Nopassxxx"

12-20-2001, 01:02 PM	#124
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i have already edited two of my posts. This game is spreading like virus!! 2940 more to go! i have to hurry up fuck! boneprone has to edit 6000 posts or something?? poor him!

12-20-2001, 04:20 PM	#125
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Looks like a good time to sell, and fast !!!! The moral to this story is: Don't Cheat! and if you are stupid enough to admit doing so and brag about it on a public webmaster board, well that's your own tough luck! Like I've always said: "If your gonna be dumb you gotta be tough!" Later All, BV

12-20-2001, 04:27 PM	#126
Ted Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 830	1. Go buy a copy of Playboy 2. Go buy a copy of Penthouse 3. Make a list of all the similarities in the magazines. 4. Stop Bitching

12-21-2001, 03:53 PM	#127
Packer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 41	Rio, I understand that he copied Igor, but what idea did he copy from you?

12-21-2001, 05:51 PM	#128
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	you must be a stockholer hahahaha